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Message no. 1
From: Markus Kalb <death@***.INFORMATIK.TH-DARMSTADT.DE>
Subject: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 11:56:30 MESZ
hello

What will DOC WAGON do with one client, when this person
is full of illegal cyberware(no permits), as Wired Ref. ,Smartlink,
Cyberweapons.....
Will they call the cops or not.
And when they call the cops who will then use DOC WAGON service.


bye Markus
Nighthawk
Message no. 2
From: Richard Pieri <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 11:09:37 EDT
>>>>> "death" == death
<death@***.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> writes:

death> What will DOC WAGON do with one client, when this person is
death> full of illegal cyberware(no permits), as Wired Ref.
death> ,Smartlink, Cyberweapons.....

First, assuming that the client has a valid policy with Doc Wagon,
they will do everything they can, within the bounds of that contract,
to save the person's life. Once that the continuation of that life is
ensured, they will do whatever they feel is necessary.

Yes, they will call the cops when someone comes in with illegal 'wears.

Rat <ratinox@***.neu.edu> Northeastern's Stainless Steel Rat
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Message no. 3
From: Todd Montgomery <tmont@****.WVU.EDU>
Subject: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 11:25:49 -0400
> From: death@***.INFORMATIK.TH-DARMSTADT.DE (Nighthawk)

> What will DOC WAGON do with one client, when this person
> is full of illegal cyberware(no permits), as Wired Ref. ,Smartlink,
> Cyberweapons.....
> Will they call the cops or not.
> And when they call the cops who will then use DOC WAGON service.
>

I have always played that if the player had a fake sin or fake id
that his 'ware was registered on the id. Same with registering mages.
And the DocWagon contract was registered under that SIN.

-- Quiktek
-- Todd Montgomery
tmont@****.wvu.edu
tmont@***.wvu.edu
un032507@*******.wvnet.edu
Message no. 4
From: Justin Kim <jlkim%ucsd.edu@****.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 08:31:29 -0700
Hey, they're not paid to enforce the law and If I dish out the cash
every year for a platinum (or gold) contract, I'd better get discreet
service. :-) If not, some palm greasing might help.

Justin

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Justin Kim jlkim@****.edu
Science Applications International Corporation Defense Analyst
San Diego, California, USA
Message no. 5
From: Justin Kim <jlkim%ucsd.edu@****.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 08:35:42 -0700
>I have always played that if the player had a fake sin or fake id
>that his 'ware was registered on the id. Same with registering mages.
>And the DocWagon contract was registered under that SIN.
>
>-- Quiktek
>-- Todd Montgomery

Wouldn't that require buying fake permits and whatnot? What rating
would these permites be? Just enough so Doc Wagon could say that there was
something registered on the 'stick?
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Justin Kim jlkim@****.edu
Science Applications International Corporation Defense Analyst
San Diego, California, USA
Message no. 6
From: Richard Pieri <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 11:49:28 EDT
>>>>> "Justin" == Justin Kim
>>>>> <jlkim%ucsd.edu%Sdsc.bitnet@*****.nic.SURFnet.nl> writes:

> I have always played that if the player had a fake sin or fake id
> that his 'ware was registered on the id. Same with registering mages.
> And the DocWagon contract was registered under that SIN.

Justin> Wouldn't that require buying fake permits and whatnot?
Justin> What rating would these permites be? Just enough so Doc Wagon
Justin> could say that there was something registered on the 'stick?

If you've got the permits, then the 'ware isn't illegal. If you
*don't* have the permits, then it *is* illegal, and not reporting you
to the authorities makes you an accessory to the crime. You think Doc
Wagon is gonna risk their bond over whether or not your 'ware is legal
or not? Hell no--they're gonna report you first chance they get.

Of course, gettin permits is expensive, usually around 10% of the cost
of the 'wares themselves. It's all in Shadowtech somewhere.

Rat <ratinox@***.neu.edu> Northeastern's Stainless Steel Rat
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--Braindance, Now
Message no. 7
From: Justin Kim <jlkim%ucsd.edu@****.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 09:25:25 -0700
Rat said:
>If you've got the permits, then the 'ware isn't illegal. If you
>*don't* have the permits, then it *is* illegal, and not reporting you
>to the authorities makes you an accessory to the crime. You think Doc
>Wagon is gonna risk their bond over whether or not your 'ware is legal
>or not? Hell no--they're gonna report you first chance they get.
>
>Of course, gettin permits is expensive, usually around 10% of the cost
>of the 'wares themselves. It's all in Shadowtech somewhere.
>

But if you have fake permits, then it *is* illegal, and so are the
permits. I don't have my rules with me (That'll teach me not to bring SR
to work! :-)), but I would assume that a fake permit might have a rating
like a credstick? If not, maybe they should to make the rules regarding
permits consistent with those for fake credsticks.

Also, given how corrupt corps are in SR, it should be possible to
"arrange" something with Doc Wagon. Maybe for the cost of a platinum
contract?

I dunno, given the rate that characters got shot up and seriously
wounded in most of the games I've been in, if we couldn't go to Doc Wagon
we'd be sunk.

Justin

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Justin Kim jlkim@****.edu
Science Applications International Corporation Defense Analyst
San Diego, California, USA
Message no. 8
From: Todd Montgomery <tmont@****.WVU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 12:35:18 -0400
> From: Justin Kim <jlkim%ucsd.edu%SDSC.BITNET@*******.wvnet.edu>

> But if you have fake permits, then it *is* illegal, and so are the
> permits. I don't have my rules with me (That'll teach me not to bring SR
> to work! :-)), but I would assume that a fake permit might have a rating
> like a credstick? If not, maybe they should to make the rules regarding
> permits consistent with those for fake credsticks.
>

Not really. All a permit really does is say what this guy (insert SIN)
has is registered and is legal. If the SIN passes, the permits should pass
as well. This is of course the easier route. A harder route would
be to make a fake permit with a non-existent SIN (not even fake) and
insert it into some records. This would have a rating, IMO.

> Also, given how corrupt corps are in SR, it should be possible to
> "arrange" something with Doc Wagon. Maybe for the cost of a platinum
> contract?
>

Always should be an option. I love politics.

> I dunno, given the rate that characters got shot up and seriously
> wounded in most of the games I've been in, if we couldn't go to Doc Wagon
> we'd be sunk.

Definitely!

-- Quiktek
-- Todd Montgomery
tmont@****.wvu.edu
tmont@***.wvu.edu
un032507@*******.wvnet.edu
Message no. 9
From: Richard Pieri <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 12:38:33 EDT
>>>>> "Justin" == Justin Kim <jlkim@****.edu> writes:

Justin> Rat said:
> If you've got the permits, then the 'ware isn't illegal. If you
> *don't* have the permits, then it *is* illegal, and not reporting you
> to the authorities makes you an accessory to the crime. You think Doc
> Wagon is gonna risk their bond over whether or not your 'ware is legal
> or not? Hell no--they're gonna report you first chance they get.

> Of course, gettin permits is expensive, usually around 10% of the cost
> of the 'wares themselves. It's all in Shadowtech somewhere.

Justin> But if you have fake permits, then it *is* illegal, and so are
Justin> the permits. I don't have my rules with me (That'll teach me
Justin> not to bring SR to work! :-)), but I would assume that a fake
Justin> permit might have a rating like a credstick? If not, maybe
Justin> they should to make the rules regarding permits consistent
Justin> with those for fake credsticks.

Ah! But they don't know the permits are fake. If you have permits, and
they seem to be in order, then there's no problem. Any decent Fixer
should know someone who can get the appropriate paperwork.

Rat <ratinox@***.neu.edu> Northeastern's Stainless Steel Rat
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Message no. 10
From: Chris Yang <cyang@*****.UBC.CA>
Subject: Re: Doc Wagon and Cyberware
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 11:36:53 -0700
On Fri, 30 Jul 1993, Richard Pieri wrote:

> >>>>> "death" == death
<death@***.informatik.th-darmstadt.de> writes:
>
> death> What will DOC WAGON do with one client, when this person is
> death> full of illegal cyberware(no permits), as Wired Ref.
> death> ,Smartlink, Cyberweapons.....
>
> First, assuming that the client has a valid policy with Doc Wagon,
> they will do everything they can, within the bounds of that contract,
> to save the person's life. Once that the continuation of that life is
> ensured, they will do whatever they feel is necessary.
>
> Yes, they will call the cops when someone comes in with illegal 'wears.

Oh, not necessarily. Don't forget that the police (at least in Seattle)
are only private security corporations hired to enforce the local law.
DocWagon, being a separate corporation, may not feel it necessary to
reveal information about THEIR clients to an outside agency.
After all, keeping Shadowrunners with pumped cyberware out on the streets
has GOTTA be good for business in the long run.

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