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Message no. 1
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Dodger
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:27:47 EDT
Mention is made in the novel Never Trust An Elf that the decker Dodger from
the SoP trilogy: (paraphrase) "Used to be the best, now he's special." This
seems to hint that he's become an Otaku from his relationship with Morgan.
Question is, this came out at the same time as Denver, where Otaku weren't
the super-pseudo-magical kids they are now. Also, in Shutdown, there is no
mention or hint of Dodger using Otaku abilities in the opening story or later
chapters.

So, is Dodger one of the superhackers known as Otaku in Denver, or is he one
of the Deep Resonace-created ones? The fact that adults were never the
pseudo-magical Otaku before Psychotrope might be important to note here.







Twist
Message no. 2
From: 00DNA mcmanus@******.albany.edu
Subject: Dodger
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:37:14 -0400
At 12:27 PM 6/21/99 -0400, Twist wrote:
>Mention is made in the novel Never Trust An Elf that the decker Dodger from
>the SoP trilogy: (paraphrase) "Used to be the best, now he's special."
This
>seems to hint that he's become an Otaku from his relationship with Morgan.

Do you remember who said that in the book? Someone's got my book right now
so I can't check.
I would say that Dodger is not Otaku at all. The fact that he's got some
AI as a pal is special enough in my book.


--00DNA
"...user connection terminated."
Message no. 3
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Dodger
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:54:17 EDT
In a message dated 6/21/99 2:43:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mcmanus@******.albany.edu writes:

<< At 12:27 PM 6/21/99 -0400, Twist wrote:
>Mention is made in the novel Never Trust An Elf that the decker Dodger from
>the SoP trilogy: (paraphrase) "Used to be the best, now he's special."
This
>seems to hint that he's become an Otaku from his relationship with Morgan.

Do you remember who said that in the book? Someone's got my book right now
so I can't check.
I would say that Dodger is not Otaku at all. The fact that he's got some
AI as a pal is special enough in my book. >>


I quote from a guy who has been generous enough recently to begin at the
beginning of the Shadowrun novels and work his way through each taking
detailed notes and posting the end reviews to help SR players sync the novels
to the gamebooks:

Page 152: Jenny says, "The Dodger used to be good. Now he's special."
Otaku won't be introduced to shadowrun for a few years yet (Denver, 1994),
but Dodger seems to fit the profile. Technobabel and Psychotrope imply that
an Artificial Intelligence can create otaku.


If Dodger has become Otaku, I again wonder about which "Otaku" he is.
Certainly adult Otaku never existed before the events in Psychotrope, so how
could Dodger become one of them? It seems more likely he's one of the
ultra-deckers mentioned in Denver, not a VR2.0 Otaku. Still, the different
classifications of Otaku are getting muddied.







Twist
Message no. 4
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: Dodger
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:11:39 +1000
> So, is Dodger one of the superhackers known as Otaku in Denver,
> or is he one
> of the Deep Resonace-created ones? The fact that adults were never the
> pseudo-magical Otaku before Psychotrope might be important to note here.

He's neither... he's "special" because Morgan's taught him some tricks that
only an AI knows.

(Side note, on the same theme as the other SR vanity names... I was playing
the Artful Dodger as a computer hacker in Traveller games 3 years before SR
came out. It was, and always will be, my favorite character name, and the
only thing I loathe and detest about SR is that it would be immodest of me
to use it in that setting)

--
.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 5
From: Kismet kismet_sr@*****.com
Subject: Dodger
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:22:01 -0700 (PDT)
--- Twist0059@***.com wrote:

>
> I quote from a guy who has been generous enough
> recently to begin at the
> beginning of the Shadowrun novels and work his way
> through each taking
> detailed notes and posting the end reviews to help
> SR players sync the novels
> to the gamebooks:

Is this on the web somewhere? Do you have the URL
handy?

Kismet
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Message no. 6
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Dodger
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:58:27 EDT
In a message dated 6/22/99 4:25:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kismet_sr@*****.com writes:

<< >
> I quote from a guy who has been generous enough
> recently to begin at the
> beginning of the Shadowrun novels and work his way
> through each taking
> detailed notes and posting the end reviews to help
> SR players sync the novels
> to the gamebooks:

Is this on the web somewhere? Do you have the URL
handy?

Kismet >>


It's not on the web, actually. He's been posting them on a message board on
AOL. I'll e-mail him and ask him if he wouldn't mind also sending one to the
list everytime he posts.








Twist
Message no. 7
From: Stefan casanova@***.passagen.se
Subject: Dodger
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:42:00 +0000
Twist said somethin' that goes alittle somethin' like this:

> So, is Dodger one of the superhackers known as Otaku in Denver, or is he one
> of the Deep Resonace-created ones? The fact that adults were never the
> pseudo-magical Otaku before Psychotrope might be important to note here.

Nah Dodger ain't no Otaku. He is just some sort of uber-decker. Don't
even think the Otaku idea was born when those books where writen.

stefan

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Message no. 8
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Dodger
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:00:59 EDT
In a message dated 6/22/99 5:03:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Twist0059@***.com writes:

> > I quote from a guy who has been generous enough
> > recently to begin at the
> > beginning of the Shadowrun novels and work his way
> > through each taking
> > detailed notes and posting the end reviews to help
> > SR players sync the novels
> > to the gamebooks:
>
> Is this on the web somewhere? Do you have the URL
> handy?
>
> Kismet >>
>
>
> It's not on the web, actually. He's been posting them on a message board
on
>
> AOL. I'll e-mail him and ask him if he wouldn't mind also sending one to
> the
> list everytime he posts.
>
I believe he has said he will compile them on a web-site when he has them all
done.

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