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Message no. 1
From: "Randy Nickel (General)" <a-randyn@*********.com>
Subject: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 14:44:47 -0700
Is there anyone out there that might be able to forward me the
specifics on Doom from the Shadowtech book? I am running a email game
right now and don't have S-tech with me.

One thing specifically. Could Doom be contracted via a card (letter,
greeting card, etc.) and is it organic thus visible from astral space?

Thx.

Randy Nickel
Message no. 2
From: Paul@********.demon.co.uk (Paul Jonathan Adam)
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:27:21 GMT
In message <c=US%a=_%p=msft%l=RED-11-MSG-960509214447Z-19623@******.microsoft.com>
"Randy Nickel (General)" writes:
> Is there anyone out there that might be able to forward me the
> specifics on Doom from the Shadowtech book? I am running a email game
> right now and don't have S-tech with me.

Hiya, Randy :)

Doom is a monoclonal antibody with a radioisotope of bismuth-212 attached.
The antibody bonds to muscle tissue and the bismuth-212 - an alpha emitter -
destroys that tissue. The body's own immune system removes the dead tissue
and the doom rebonds to kill again and again and again...

Every day after it gets into you, Doom knocks one box of your Condition
Monitors. Every two days it permanently removes one point of Body and
Strength. When body, strength or Condition Monitors reach 0, you die.

Doom is hard to treat, since most 'treatments' don't affect it. Cybernetic
blood filters and bioware pathological defence affect it with half their
normal rating. Doom resists as though its damage code was 6M2.

Diagnosis is relatively easy. Two successes on Biotech (5), or Biotech (3)
if using a radiation meter, indicates successful diagnosis of Doom poisoning.
Gene therapy stops the effects, though attribute damage is permanent.

> One thing specifically. Could Doom be contracted via a card (letter,
> greeting card, etc.) and is it organic thus visible from astral space?

Don't think so and don't think so.

--
"When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude
towards him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem.
For better or for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him." R. A. Lafferty

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 3
From: "Randy Nickel (General)" <a-randyn@*********.com>
Subject: RE: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 17:59:34 -0700
Would the Full Spectrum Immunization help against Doom?
Shadowtech and I can't remember the page number.

What about some Heavy Duty Magic? Is there any spell in the Health
section that would heal it?

Randy

Oh yea - Thanks Paul. :-)
Message no. 4
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:15:42 +0100 (BST)
|
|Is there anyone out there that might be able to forward me the
|specifics on Doom from the Shadowtech book? I am running a email game
|right now and don't have S-tech with me.

I don't have it on me either but......

|One thing specifically. Could Doom be contracted via a card (letter,
|greeting card, etc.) and is it organic thus visible from astral space?

I think it's got to be introduced into the blood to be effective.
Yes. It's organic. No, it's not alive.
(Doom is SICK. I really would recommend not using it. It causes permanent
muscle damage and eventually dead. The only way to remove it is by
specialised dialasis and there is no way to undo the damage.)
I specifically said I would never use doom in one of my games.
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Message no. 5
From: Jonas Gabrielson <m94jga@*******.tdb.uu.se>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:28:01 +0200 (MET DST)
On Thu, 9 May 1996, Randy Nickel (General) wrote:

> One thing specifically. Could Doom be contracted via a card (letter,
> greeting card, etc.) and is it organic thus visible from astral space?

No way! Doom is a modified monoclonal antibody, and has to be
injected into the bloodstream to work. DMSO won't work because antibodies
are too large (DMSO open channels that can transfer *small* molecules),
being proteins and all.
Yes, doom is organic, as in "produced by living cells", but has
been modified afterwards. Doom is essentially a very large molecule, that
can recognize cell adhesion molecules on striated muscle cells and bind to
them. They do not destroy cells by themselves - that is just a secondary
effect from the alpha radiation decay of Bi-212 (or whatever). All
*living* things have auras, and the definition of life here seems to be
anything that consists of cells (perhaps debatable, but...). Bacteria have
auras, but are too small to have any real impact on astral space - only
especially gengineered strains with abnormal size (e.g. FAB) can do that,
and even then it's a bit speculative.

-Jonas Gabrielson, Progenitor Acolyte
Message no. 6
From: Jonas Gabrielson <m94jga@*******.tdb.uu.se>
Subject: RE: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:36:45 +0200 (MET DST)
On Thu, 9 May 1996, Randy Nickel (General) wrote:

> Would the Full Spectrum Immunization help against Doom?

Probably not. Immunization against antibodies seem a bit -
counter-productive... :)

> What about some Heavy Duty Magic? Is there any spell in the Health
> section that would heal it?

Not as it's written up, i think. Doom is not a disease, nor a
toxin, nor a wound - it's just a piece of your natural immune system gone
awfully bad :) Perhps there are some *very* specialized spells at use in
hospitals, like "Treat Auto-Immuno Deficiency" (because that's really
what doom is, partly) or "Cure Radioactivity" (good for cancer
treatments), etc.

-Jonas Gabrielson, a guy with healing hands
Message no. 7
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:56:16 -0400 (EDT)
At 15:28 5/10/96 +0200, you wrote:
>
>
>On Thu, 9 May 1996, Randy Nickel (General) wrote:
>
>> One thing specifically. Could Doom be contracted via a card (letter,
>> greeting card, etc.) and is it organic thus visible from astral space?
>
> No way! Doom is a modified monoclonal antibody, and has to be
>injected into the bloodstream to work. DMSO won't work because antibodies
>are too large (DMSO open channels that can transfer *small* molecules),
>being proteins and all.
> Yes, doom is organic, as in "produced by living cells", but has
>been modified afterwards. Doom is essentially a very large molecule, that
>can recognize cell adhesion molecules on striated muscle cells and bind to
>them. They do not destroy cells by themselves - that is just a secondary
>effect from the alpha radiation decay of Bi-212 (or whatever). All
>*living* things have auras, and the definition of life here seems to be
>anything that consists of cells (perhaps debatable, but...). Bacteria have
>auras, but are too small to have any real impact on astral space - only
>especially gengineered strains with abnormal size (e.g. FAB) can do that,
>and even then it's a bit speculative.
>
>-Jonas Gabrielson, Progenitor Acolyte
>

Question for any medical types out there. What is the size ratio between
anti-bodies and viruses? If they are about the same size, and we can pick up
viruses from anything the it would be possible to pick up doom from a card. No?

Sasquatch

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Message no. 8
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:08:57 -0500
>Question for any medical types out there. What is the size ratio between
>anti-bodies and viruses? If they are about the same size, and we can pick up
>viruses from anything the it would be possible to pick up doom from a card. No?
>
>Sasquatch

I'm not a medical type, but I'll attempt to apply some logic to this. From
what I heard some people say on ShadowTK (where this started) antibodies are
really, really tiny. Therefore, in theory, they could go through the skin.
However, Doom has pieces of material that radioactively decays into alpha
particles. That would make the size of the antibody much larger (yes, I
know alpha particles are molecularly small, but there's enough material to
destroy lots of cells, so therefore it must be larger) So to look at this
in a way that somewhat makes some kind of sense, maybe, Doom has to be
injected, which I believe was already mentioned.

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"Madness takes it's toll. Please have exact change."
Message no. 9
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:12:32 +0100 (BST)
|Question for any medical types out there. What is the size ratio between
|anti-bodies and viruses? If they are about the same size, and we can pick up
|viruses from anything the it would be possible to pick up doom from a card. No?

Doom is an Antibody. not a virus. A few million antibodies could fit onto a
virus.
Antibodies do not replicate, so you can't "catch" them.
They are merely enzymes designed to lock on to certain protiens and
interfere with bacerial and viral reproduction.
(They also act as markers for white cells, saying "Hey, Attack this!")
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|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk |It has been widely reported in the newspapers, that |
|Andrew Halliwell | a so called "puppet" of the queen mother, would |
|Principal subjects in:-| appear on this weeks program. To the press, the |
|Comp Sci & Visual Arts |public, and the many members of parlaiment who have |
|-----------------------|so kindly rung in to complain,we would like to admit|
| that this is an outragious and contemptable untruth perpatrated by us, to |
| bring the program into line with current government policy guidelines |
| Spitting Image have never made such a puppet, and were on holiday at the |
|time it wasn't made.... Thank you. (Spitting Image, when it was still funny)|
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|X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can still say FUCK! Americans can't|
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Message no. 10
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 13:04:59 -0400 (EDT)
At 17:12 5/10/96 +0100, you wrote:
>|Question for any medical types out there. What is the size ratio between
>|anti-bodies and viruses? If they are about the same size, and we can pick up
>|viruses from anything the it would be possible to pick up doom from a
card. No?
>
>Doom is an Antibody. not a virus. A few million antibodies could fit onto a
>virus.
>Antibodies do not replicate, so you can't "catch" them.
>They are merely enzymes designed to lock on to certain protiens and
>interfere with bacerial and viral reproduction.
>(They also act as markers for white cells, saying "Hey, Attack this!")
>--
>|Andrew Halliwell

But if the antibodies are smaller they could pass through the musac
membranes of the body. Replicating this not relevant. If the object is
covered in doom and give to the target the only limiting factor is how long
the antibody is viable outside the human body.

Sasquatch

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Message no. 11
From: Robyn King-Nitschke <rking@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 10:17:23 -0700
Sasquatch writes:

>
> But if the antibodies are smaller they could pass through the musac
^^^^^
> membranes of the body.


Are these the membranes that play popular music in horribly annoying
pablum-like arrangements? :)

Yeah, I know what you meant. I just couldn't help it... :)

-o'Rat

PS: That would be evil cyberware, wouldn't it? "No--NO! Help me! I've
got 'MANDY'!"
Message no. 12
From: "A Halliwell" <u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 19:08:01 +0100 (BST)
|But if the antibodies are smaller they could pass through the musac
|membranes of the body. Replicating this not relevant. If the object is
|covered in doom and give to the target the only limiting factor is how long
|the antibody is viable outside the human body.

The skin is pretty resistant to large molecules, so it would get *ON* the
skin, but wouldn't be absorbed into the bloodstream in anywhere near enough
to the required amounts to do significant short term damage.
Also, the alpha-decay isn't permanent. It does eventually burn itself out.

The only way to get a large enough concentration into the blood stream is
via injection.

DOOM is not something to be trifled with.
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|u5a77@**.keele.ac.uk |It has been widely reported in the newspapers, that |
|Andrew Halliwell | a so called "puppet" of the queen mother, would |
|Principal subjects in:-| appear on this weeks program. To the press, the |
|Comp Sci & Visual Arts |public, and the many members of parlaiment who have |
|-----------------------|so kindly rung in to complain,we would like to admit|
| that this is an outragious and contemptable untruth perpatrated by us, to |
| bring the program into line with current government policy guidelines |
| Spitting Image have never made such a puppet, and were on holiday at the |
|time it wasn't made.... Thank you. (Spitting Image, when it was still funny)|
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|X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can still say FUCK! Americans can't|
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Message no. 13
From: Paul Jonathan Adam <Paul@********.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 17:33:04 GMT
In message <199605101556.LAA01344@*******.adelphi.edu> Hairy Smurf writes:
>Question for any medical types out there. What is the size ratio between
>anti-bodies and viruses? If they are about the same size, and we can pick up
>viruses from anything the it would be possible to pick up doom from a card. No?

Viruses breed. You only need a few to kill you, because those few viruses
become millions. Doom decays (or the radioactive part does): what you see is
what you get. A smudge through the skin wouldn't be enough to affect you:
you'd need a full dose delivered with DMSO or injection, or inhaled as an
aerosol (one of the best ways to deliver it but needing rather a lot).

(As the owner of the PC who looked at the business card I say 'no' :) )

--
"When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude
towards him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem.
For better or for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him." R. A. Lafferty

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk
Message no. 14
From: Jonas Gabrielson <m94jga@*******.tdb.uu.se>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:12:07 +0200 (MET DST)
On Fri, 10 May 1996, Mike Broadwater wrote:

> >Question for any medical types out there. What is the size ratio between
> >anti-bodies and viruses? If they are about the same size, and we can pick up
> >viruses from anything the it would be possible to pick up doom from a card. No?
> >
> >Sasquatch
>
> I'm not a medical type, but I'll attempt to apply some logic to this. From
> what I heard some people say on ShadowTK (where this started) antibodies are
> really, really tiny. Therefore, in theory, they could go through the skin.
> However, Doom has pieces of material that radioactively decays into alpha
> particles. That would make the size of the antibody much larger (yes, I
> know alpha particles are molecularly small, but there's enough material to
> destroy lots of cells, so therefore it must be larger) So to look at this
> in a way that somewhat makes some kind of sense, maybe, Doom has to be
> injected, which I believe was already mentioned.

Not really. Antibodies cannot pass through the skin - the added
radioactive atoms do not add size so much as to make a difference. Skin is
very efficient when it comes to hindering foreign substances to pass into
your body. For example, if you dip your hand in oil, it won't be taken up
by the bloodstream.

The size of an antibody is extremely small compared to
an ordinary animal cell, very very small compared to a bacteria, small
compared to a virus, and very large compared to a normal toxin or hormone.

DMSO (in Shadowtech) works by triggering molecular gates in skin
cells, forcing them to transport in the substance added from the outside
to the bloodstream - however these gates can only transport small
molecules, not proteins.

-Jonas Gabrielson, scientific raver
Message no. 15
From: Jonas Gabrielson <m94jga@*******.tdb.uu.se>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:35:37 +0200 (MET DST)
On Fri, 10 May 1996, Hairy Smurf wrote:

> At 17:12 5/10/96 +0100, you wrote:
> >|Question for any medical types out there. What is the size ratio between
> >|anti-bodies and viruses? If they are about the same size, and we can pick up
> >|viruses from anything the it would be possible to pick up doom from a
> >|card. No?

We don't pick up viruses through our skin - we either inhale it,
ingest it or get infected through a wound. So, you can't get Doom by
picking up a card covered in the shit (who would want to carry around such
a card in the first place?) with your (unharmed) hands, but if you were to
lick at it... :)

> >Doom is an Antibody. not a virus. A few million antibodies could fit onto a
> >virus.

More like a hundred, but it all depends on what kind of virus it
is, of course.

> >Antibodies do not replicate, so you can't "catch" them.
> >They are merely enzymes designed to lock on to certain protiens and
> >interfere with bacerial and viral reproduction.
> >(They also act as markers for white cells, saying "Hey, Attack this!")

Interference is more or less a bonus. Antibodies recognize
all proteins that aren't normally produced by the human body. They are
made by T- and B-lymphocytes (and so cannot self-replicate), and every
lymphocyte can make only *one* sort of antibody. There are *lots* of white
blood cells out there...

> But if the antibodies are smaller they could pass through the musac
> membranes of the body. Replicating this not relevant. If the object is
> covered in doom and give to the target the only limiting factor is how long
> the antibody is viable outside the human body.

Yes, they can pass through the mucous membranes (mouth, nose,
lung, etc.). However, I can imagine it's hard to get airborne in an
aerosol, and eating it would mean that a major portion would be digested
in the stomach before doing any harm. Injection is by far your best shot.

As A. Halliwell noted, Doom will decay - given the high speed with
which it degenerates muscles, I'd say the radioactivity has quite a short
half life. It won't stay viable for long.

-Jonas Gabrielson, the immune system from Hell!
Message no. 16
From: "Dr. Bolthy von Schotz" <bolthy@**.com>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:49:05 -0500 (CDT)
On Mon, 13 May 1996, Jonas Gabrielson wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 10 May 1996, Hairy Smurf wrote:
>
> > At 17:12 5/10/96 +0100, you wrote:
> > >|Question for any medical types out there. What is the size ratio between
> > >|anti-bodies and viruses? If they are about the same size, and we can pick
up
> > >|viruses from anything the it would be possible to pick up doom from a
> > >|card. No?
>
> We don't pick up viruses through our skin - we either inhale it,
> ingest it or get infected through a wound. So, you can't get Doom by
> picking up a card covered in the shit (who would want to carry around such
> a card in the first place?) with your (unharmed) hands, but if you were to
> lick at it... :)
>

Wise Old Owl, how many licks does it take to get to the lethal center of
a Doom filled Tootsie Pop?

;)


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"Remember: Heaven is Blue. Tomorrow, the world."
-Head of the Blue Meanies
Message no. 17
From: Hairy Smurf <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Re: Doom form Shadowtech
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:33:25 -0400 (EDT)
At 10:49 5/13/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>On Mon, 13 May 1996, Jonas Gabrielson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 10 May 1996, Hairy Smurf wrote:
>>
>> > At 17:12 5/10/96 +0100, you wrote:
>> > >|Question for any medical types out there. What is the size ratio
between
>> > >|anti-bodies and viruses? If they are about the same size, and we can
pick up
>> > >|viruses from anything the it would be possible to pick up doom from a
>> > >|card. No?
>>
>> We don't pick up viruses through our skin - we either inhale it,
>> ingest it or get infected through a wound. So, you can't get Doom by
>> picking up a card covered in the shit (who would want to carry around such
>> a card in the first place?) with your (unharmed) hands, but if you were to
>> lick at it... :)
>>
>
>Wise Old Owl, how many licks does it take to get to the lethal center of
>a Doom filled Tootsie Pop?
>
>;)
>

The answer is.......

42!


Sasquatch

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