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Message no. 1
From: Jak Koke <jkoke@****.COM>
Subject: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:03:02 -0800
>I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying that the cyberzombie in
>the Dragonheart Trilogy (Szeto's recent books) was a burned out mage.

Szeto did a kick ass job, IMO. <laugh> That trilogy Szeto wrote was amazing.

I'm sure Jon is enjoying this as much as I am. I mean I worked hard to
craft Rigger II and would be upset if someone gave the credit for it to
another writer. <laugh>

All in good fun.

Ciao,

--Jak

Jak Koke La Jolla, CA
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Message no. 2
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:48:54 -0500
On 31 Mar 98 at 0:03, Jak Koke wrote:

> Szeto did a kick ass job, IMO. <laugh> That trilogy Szeto wrote
> was amazing.
>
> I'm sure Jon is enjoying this as much as I am. I mean I worked hard
> to craft Rigger II and would be upset if someone gave the credit for
> it to another writer. <laugh>
>
> All in good fun.

LOL Jak!

Glad to see you were cool about it...

(Wish I could finish the DH triology. I can't find Beyond the
Pale anywhere in town...) :(

(Yes, that was a hint. Subtle, neh?) :)

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Message no. 3
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:11:56 -0500
At 12:03 AM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying that the cyberzombie in
>>the Dragonheart Trilogy (Szeto's recent books) was a burned out mage.

DOH!!!

Two frag ups, one day. Damn, Monday was bad for me. Good thing there
wasn't anything important at stake...

>All in good fun.

Argh. True enough though, true enough.

*sigh*

It's looking like it's going to be one of those weeks...had a long weekend,
I'm fighting a cold, and my brain frazzled out last week...egads I need the
weekend to be here so I can sleep it away...

BTW, Jak, I did enjoy *your* trilogy. It was good to find out what
happened to El Presidente, and all the fallout that entails.

And Jon's Rigger II was extremely cool also.

I think I'll go hide for a while now...

Erik J.
Message no. 4
From: Wraith <wraith@************.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:45:53 -0600
-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>


>At 12:03 AM 3/31/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>>I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying that the cyberzombie in
>>>the Dragonheart Trilogy (Szeto's recent books) was a burned out mage.
>

<SNIP...OOPS!>
>
>BTW, Jak, I did enjoy *your* trilogy. It was good to find out what
>happened to El Presidente, and all the fallout that entails.
>
That's one thing (One of many things actually that I was wondering
about....How are they going to convince anyone that's really what happened?
Could be interesting <G>

Also, if you deem to answer, are you going to go on with the Assets gang, or
is the trilogy more like a stand alone like Dead Air was? (For example, Mel
Odom's two books follow the same Shadow Team, Dead Air doesn't/can't do
that...)

Andrew
Message no. 5
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:44:34 -0500
At 02:45 PM 3/31/98 -0600, you wrote:

>>BTW, Jak, I did enjoy *your* trilogy. It was good to find out what
>>happened to El Presidente, and all the fallout that entails.
>>
>That's one thing (One of many things actually that I was wondering
>about....How are they going to convince anyone that's really what happened?
>Could be interesting <G>

Convince who? For us, the players, we know the score. But Jak (got it
right this time) seemed to make it clear that really only a few people know
what happened. I doubt the rest of the world will ever know the truth; the
death of the Big D will probably be a bigger conspiracy theory than
Kennedy's assassination ever was or ever will be. In game, there's no one
to convince, because no one knows.

As for seeing Asset's Incorporated...since Jak and Jon and Steve seem to be
the young turks for FASA right now, I would expect that the answer to that
is yes. But I'm also expected those three to be writing materials for
Shadowrun for at least another year or two, when I'm guessing we'll start
seeing some new major faces.

So while I couldn't confirm that Jak will write another book, let alone one
with Assets, I would be willing to place money on that.

Erik J.
Message no. 6
From: JonSzeto <JonSzeto@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:25:24 EST
Jak Koke <jkoke@****.COM> wrote,

> I'm sure Jon is enjoying this as much as I am. I mean I worked hard to
> craft Rigger II and would be upset if someone gave the credit for it to
> another writer. <laugh>

:-)

Hey Jak, since you did such a great job on Rigger 2, howsabout you
answer all these silly rigger questions the list members always keep asking?

;-)

-- Jon
Message no. 7
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:44:48 -0500
At 01:25 AM 4/2/98 EST, you wrote:
>Jak Koke <jkoke@****.COM> wrote,
>
>> I'm sure Jon is enjoying this as much as I am. I mean I worked hard to
>> craft Rigger II and would be upset if someone gave the credit for it to
>> another writer. <laugh>
>
>:-)
>
>Hey Jak, since you did such a great job on Rigger 2, howsabout you
>answer all these silly rigger questions the list members always keep asking?
>
>;-)

Geez...and to think I *used* to be known as list.member.grumpy...

This week anyway I've been list.member.space-cadet...

*sigh*

Damn I'll be glad when this cold leaves my brain.

Erik J.


"Oh my God, they killed Dunkelzahn! You bastards!!!"
Message no. 8
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:22:31 -0500
No plot is given away so you shouldn't have to worry ... BUT if you
haven't read it, you won't really be able to help (no offense :). Just
in case since, there might be cases of people (including me)
quoting/making references to book material,
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What spirit type is Lethe? He seemed to use either Masking or
Concealment that later would make him a Nature Spirit ... IIRC he
appeared as a shimmering or bright light ... so is he a fire elemental?
Anybody know? I think someone mentioned Jak Koke saying Ryan Mercury was
grade 13 or so initiation ... did he say what spirit type Lethe is?

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 9
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:11:35 EDT
In a message dated 7/11/98 3:46:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> What spirit type is Lethe? He seemed to use either Masking or
> Concealment that later would make him a Nature Spirit ... IIRC he
> appeared as a shimmering or bright light ... so is he a fire elemental?
> Anybody know? I think someone mentioned Jak Koke saying Ryan Mercury was
> grade 13 or so initiation ... did he say what spirit type Lethe is?

The first question you need to asku yourself is this ... Have I finished
reading the Dragon Heart trilogy? If -NO-, then please finish reading the
trilogy, and then you can answer the questions on your own ... Book three has
almost all of the details on Lethe that you want.

As for Mercury's grade ... who cares ... just don't give him any stats so that
your pcs won't try to bump him off ...

-Mike
Message no. 10
From: Iridios <iridios@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400
Alfredo B Alves wrote:
Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:22:31 -0500

<snip intro>
If you haven't read or finished reading the trilogy yet, Don't read the rest
of this!

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> What spirit type is Lethe? He seemed to use either Masking or
> Concealment that later would make him a Nature Spirit ... IIRC he
> appeared as a shimmering or bright light ... so is he a fire elemental?
> Anybody know? I think someone mentioned Jak Koke saying Ryan Mercury was
> grade 13 or so initiation ... did he say what spirit type Lethe is?

<snip sig>Lethe, is a unique spirit. At the very end of the last book, Lethe
'remembers' who he was in a previous life, and the fact that he 'sacrificed'
himself to further advance his goals.

D.Ghost, if you haven't made it to the end yet, Stop. Don't read the rest.

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Lethe is the spirit of the Big D. He sacrificed himself to "place himself"
in a posistion to defend against the coming horrors. It's part of the unique
magic that I feel is an essential part of the magic system in the game.


--"Any science, sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."
--Arthur C. Clarke

Iridios
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Message no. 11
From: "Frank Pelletier (Trinity)" <jeanpell@****.QC.CA>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:51:24 -0400
Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM> once wrote,

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>
>What spirit type is Lethe? He seemed to use either Masking or
>Concealment that later would make him a Nature Spirit ... IIRC he
>appeared as a shimmering or bright light ... so is he a fire elemental?
>Anybody know? I think someone mentioned Jak Koke saying Ryan Mercury was
>grade 13 or so initiation ... did he say what spirit type Lethe is?

He's a Munchie spirit, a rare breed, with unlimited, messed-up powers.

Nah, joking. Actually, I think Lethe would be some sort of, well,
un-summoned free spirit. Usually, I think, free spirits are really just
elementals, nature spirits or allies that got their freedom from the demise
of their masters.

Now, he's surely not an elemental, or a nature spirit (as you pointed out,
too many conflicting powers). And even if Ryan was a level 50 Initiate
munchie from Hell, he couldn't do shit, 'cause he's a physad, and the only
thing physads can conjure is a killer left hook. :)

(If someone tells me he could be a physical magician, there's absolutly
nothing in the three books concerning Ryan's spellcasting. i.e. He don't
cast shit, ya know.)

So I think he's more akin to a Free ally spirit, but born from a great
concentration of mana, instead of being summoned. As we all know, Dunky
killed himself... or let's call it a transformation. So in that regard,
it's plausible that he would have very unique powers, like all mages can do
with allies.

And the thought of beings, spirits, born from conflict, high-mana places,
really opens up some deep playing possibilities. Imagine a spirit born from
the ruins of Hiroshima, or, God help us, Auschwitz. Those would be some
f*cked-up, sick puppies.

Then again, I'd like to see the St-Denis spirit born from the French victory
tomorrow afternoon. :) (Allez les Bleus! Allez les Bleus!)

Trinity
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Frank Pelletier
Trinity@********.com, jeanpell@****.qc.ca
This message was brought to you by the Roots - "Illadelph Halflife"

"Life is a blur"


>D.Ghost
Message no. 12
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:20:12 -0500
On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:11:35 EDT Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 7/11/98 3:46:33 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>dghost@****.COM writes:

>> What spirit type is Lethe? He seemed to use either Masking or
>> Concealment that later would make him a Nature Spirit ... IIRC he
>> appeared as a shimmering or bright light ... so is he a fire
elemental?
>> Anybody know? I think someone mentioned Jak Koke saying Ryan Mercury
was
>> grade 13 or so initiation ... did he say what spirit type Lethe is?

>The first question you need to asku yourself is this ... Have I finished
>reading the Dragon Heart trilogy? If -NO-, then please finish reading
the
>trilogy, and then you can answer the questions on your own ... Book
three has
>almost all of the details on Lethe that you want.

Yes, I read it and know quite a bit about Lethe ... but ... I don't
recall any significant info describing the type of spirit he'd be ...

>As for Mercury's grade ... who cares ... just don't give him any stats
so that
>your pcs won't try to bump him off ...
>
>-Mike

No, you mis understood me ... I don't give a rat's ass about Mercury, I
just know Jak Koke made up game stats for at least some of the chars and
was wondering if he mentioned any about Lethe ...

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 13
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 15:26:35 -0500
On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:19:25 -0400 Iridios <iridios@*********.COM>
writes:
>Alfredo B Alves wrote:
>Sat, 11 Jul 1998 03:22:31 -0500
><snip intro>
>If you haven't read or finished reading the trilogy yet, Don't read the
rest
>of this!

>> I
>> '
>> l
>> l
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>> (That should be too much :)
>>
>> What spirit type is Lethe? He seemed to use either Masking or
>> Concealment that later would make him a Nature Spirit ... IIRC he
>> appeared as a shimmering or bright light ... so is he a fire
elemental?
>> Anybody know? I think someone mentioned Jak Koke saying Ryan Mercury
was
>> grade 13 or so initiation ... did he say what spirit type Lethe is?

><snip sig>

>Lethe, is a unique spirit. At the very end of the last book, Lethe
>'remembers' who he was in a previous life, and the fact that he
'sacrificed'
>himself to further advance his goals.

Yup and that's part of why I have difficulty classifying the spirit type
...

>D.Ghost, if you haven't made it to the end yet, Stop. Don't read the
rest.

I read all 3 books and the above warning goes to anyone who hasn't read
all 3 books ...

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>Lethe is the spirit of the Big D.

I know, That's why I was asking ... For Nexx's post about the Dunkelzahn
Totem ... I thought it'd be appropriate for Dunkelzahn Shamans to get
bonuses to summon the spirit type that Dunk turned into ...

>He sacrificed himself to "place himself"
>in a posistion to defend against the coming horrors. It's part of the
unique
>magic that I feel is an essential part of the magic system in the game.

Not really. That was a coincidence, I think ... He sacrificed himself to
make the Dragon Heart that would defend against the Horrors ...

<SNIP Sig>
>Iridios
<SNIP More Sig>

D.Ghost
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Message no. 14
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:06:21 -0600
At 10:11 11/07/98 EDT, you wrote:

>As for Mercury's grade ... who cares ... just don't give him any stats so
that
>your pcs won't try to bump him off ...

At most times in the novel I was cheering for the other side to bump
Mercury off.. damn annoying guy if you ask me <g>

-Adam
Who most often cheers for the "Bad guys".
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Message no. 15
From: Grahamdrew <mnemonic25@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:44:01 -0400
> Nah, joking. Actually, I think Lethe would be some sort of, well,
> un-summoned free spirit. Usually, I think, free spirits are really just
> elementals, nature spirits or allies that got their freedom from the demise
> of their masters.

Well, ya gotta remeber that if Thayla summoned him as a normal spirit,
he would have become a free spirit when she got bumped off....

I'd go for a free spirit that got bound at it's moment of creation or
something...

Grahamdrew, who is trying to remove his lurker status...
Message no. 16
From: Steven McCormick <stardust@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:02:39 -0500
At 06:06 PM 7/11/98 -0600, Adam J wrote:
>At most times in the novel I was cheering for the other side to bump
>Mercury off.. damn annoying guy if you ask me <g>
>
>-Adam
>Who most often cheers for the "Bad guys".
>-
Now there's a true GM for ya' :)

BlueMule
Message no. 17
From: Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dragon Heart Trilogy
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:16:01 -0400
On Sat, 11 Jul 1998 18:06:21 -0600 Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA> writes:

>At most times in the novel I was cheering for the other side to bump
>Mercury off.. damn annoying guy if you ask me <g>

I got the first part of the trilogy a couple of weeks ago, and I gotta
agree. I didn't much care for 'im either. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm
going off to grumble about not breaking down and reading spoilers.

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
"Don't wanna know! Don't wanna know! Lemme alone!"

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