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Message no. 1
From: Damon Casantini cryingwolf@*****.net
Subject: Dragons, Drakes and books <RE:Drakes, Ryan Mercury, and dhs>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:56:07 -0500
What is this Dragon book that you have been talking about?
Message no. 2
From: Simon Fuller sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: Dragons, Drakes and books <RE:Drakes, Ryan Mercury, and dhs>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:24:52 +1100
-----Original Message-----
From: Damon Casantini <cryingwolf@*****.net>
To: ShadowrunRN <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2000 4:57 PM
Subject: Dragons, Drakes and books <RE:Drakes, Ryan Mercury, and dhs>


>What is this Dragon book that you have been talking about?
>
Probably the Dragons Sourcebook, the last Earthdawn sourcebook made, but it
was never published because of the accountants. They posted it on the FASA
home page (probably www.fasa.com but don't get mad if it isn't) and it is a
free download. Besides that it is very hard to read from the screen and
expensive to print on paper, it is worth it. Thanks FASA! A lot of the
dragons outlined in the book are more than likely dragons that are active in
SR.
Message no. 3
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Dragons, Drakes and books <RE:Drakes, Ryan Mercury, and dhs>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:16:48 -0500
From: "Damon Casantini" <cryingwolf@*****.net>
> What is this Dragon book that you have been talking about?

The Dragons sourcebook, an unpublished Earthdawn sourcebook, was published
to FASA's web site when that game was discontinued. Now, obviously, given
that this is an Earthdawn sourcebook, not all of the information contained
therein is directly applicable to Shadowrun, but many, many things *can*
influence the larger forces at work behind the Shadowrun world, as with the
Blood Wood sourcebook.

A few things to keep in mind while reading it:

Dunkelzahn = Mountainshadow
Alamais = Alamaise

Lofwyr is Alamaise's Vasgothian brother, mentioned only as such.
Icewing is Dunkelzahn/Mountainshadow's brother, and has not [yet] appeared
in the sixth world.

Beyond that, hey, here's the url:
http://www.fasa.com/EarthDawn/Dragondownload.html

You'll need Adobe Acrobat reader:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html

And a glass of milk:
http://www.dairyinfo.com/onlin/onlin.html

Enjoy!
Message no. 4
From: HHackerH@***.com HHackerH@***.com
Subject: Dragons, Drakes and books <RE:Drakes, Ryan Mercury, and dhs>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:36:22 EST
In a message dated 2/17/00 10:54:20 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
sommers@*****.umich.edu writes:

> At 10:19 AM 2/17/00 , Bull wrote:
> >Effectively, I think it's safe to assume that in the 1000-2000+ years
> >between ED and the Down Cycle, a bunch of dragons die :] Either that, or
a
> >lot of 'em were dug up, hunted down, and killed during the middle ages
down
> >cycle.
>
> I could swear I read on of the novels, maybe in the Dragonheart Saga, that
> had a dragon talking to an immortal elf about that. The comment was
> something to the effect of "a few of your brethren spent a lot of time
> during the down-cycle hunting us down in our caves and killing us."
>
> Can't remember where though. I'll have to look when I get home.

You know, now that I read that line, for some reason I remember it too ...
but I'm not real sure where either. Great, now I'll something *else* to
think about... ;)

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Message no. 5
From: Nightmare ... tarot0@*******.com
Subject: Dragons, Drakes and books <RE:Drakes, Ryan Mercury, and dhs>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:36:39 CST
abortion engine wrote:

>Icewing is Dunkelzahn/Mountainshadow's brother, and has not [yet]
>appeared in the sixth world.

??? I was under the impression that Icewing WAS Lofwyr.



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Message no. 6
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: Dragons, Drakes and books <RE:Drakes, Ryan Mercury, and dhs>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:44:41 -0600
From: Nightmare
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 6:37 PM

> abortion engine wrote:
>
> >Icewing is Dunkelzahn/Mountainshadow's brother, and has not [yet]
> >appeared in the sixth world.
>
> ??? I was under the impression that Icewing WAS Lofwyr.

Nope. It would be almost poetic if it were true, but Lofwyr and the Big D
weren't related (except in as much as both of them had scales).

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Message no. 7
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Dragons, Drakes and books <RE:Drakes, Ryan Mercury, and dhs>
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:34:56 -0500
From: "Bull" <bull@***********.com>
> At 06:36 PM 2/17/00 -0600, you wrote:
> >abortion engine wrote:
> >
> >>Icewing is Dunkelzahn/Mountainshadow's brother, and has not [yet]
> >>appeared in the sixth world.
> >
> >??? I was under the impression that Icewing WAS Lofwyr.
> >
> By the Dragons book, such as it is... They're different colors. AFAIK,
> Lofwyr isn;t *IN* ED anywhere... <shrug>

Correct. Icewing is Dunkelzahn's brother, and Lofwyr is *not* Icewing. There
are color issues, there are behavioral issues [after all, Icewing was
actually *nice*], and, most of all, obviously, there are parenting issues;
Icewing and Mountainshadow are from the last brood of All-Wings, the most
powerful Dragon ever, blah blah blah. Lofwyr and Alamaise are from a
different brood, and originally didn't even live in the area, but rather in
Vasgothia, near modern Germany. They had a tiff, and Alamaise left.

Lofwyr appears I think twice in all of Earthdawn. But both times he is
referred to as "his brother," and not by any name, and not really spoken of,
but merely referred to.

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Message no. 8
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: Dragons, Drakes and books <RE:Drakes, Ryan Mercury, and dhs>
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 19:24:11 -0500
On Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:19:13 -0500 Bull <bull@***********.com> writes:
> Effectively, I think it's safe to assume that in the 1000-2000+
> years
> between ED and the Down Cycle, a bunch of dragons die :] Either
> that, or a
> lot of 'em were dug up, hunted down, and killed during the middle
> ages down
> cycle.
>

I beleieve it was Aztlan (pretty sure) where Dunkelzhan (maybe?) said
something like "and we're not sure which dragons survived your down-time
hunting" or...something

Vocenoctum
"Memory is a....something something"
<http://members.aol.com/vocenoctum>;

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