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Message no. 1
From: Damon Harper <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Drain and Psychic Powers [was Re: Psychic or Magic]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:12:57 PST
Steve Kenson wrote:

>I do hope to include something similar in the BBOM. I agree on keeping
the
>Drain on psi powers the same as spells, otherwise psychics get a
serious
>boost.

I swore I wouldn't get into this, but...
A good way to justify drain for "psi" powers is by looking at case
historys of psychic phenominon in the past(esp the "spoon benders" of
the 70s and 80s that came after Yuri Garin(?)). Most of these people
(although most proved as fakes) did complain of feeling drained after
using their "ability". IMO, this is where the draining element in
Shadowrun itself stems from- or at least where the creators got the
idea.


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2: of, characteristic of, or leading the life of a vagrant
or tramp 3: leading an unsettled or irresponsible life

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Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Drain and Psychic Powers [was Re: Psychic or Magic]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:14:13 +0100
Damon Harper said on 14:12/15 Jan 98...

> A good way to justify drain for "psi" powers is by looking at case
> historys of psychic phenominon in the past(esp the "spoon benders" of
> the 70s and 80s that came after Yuri Garin(?)).

Yuri Geller bent spoons "with his mind," Yuri Gagarin was the first human
in space.

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Message no. 3
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Drain and Psychic Powers [was Re: Psychic or Magic]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:12:24 -0500
On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 02:12:57PM -0800, Damon Harper wrote:
> Steve Kenson wrote:
>
> >I do hope to include something similar in the BBOM. I agree on keeping
> the
> >Drain on psi powers the same as spells, otherwise psychics get a
> serious
> >boost.
>
> I swore I wouldn't get into this, but...
> A good way to justify drain for "psi" powers is by looking at case
> historys of psychic phenominon in the past(esp the "spoon benders" of
> the 70s and 80s that came after Yuri Garin(?)). Most of these people
> (although most proved as fakes) did complain of feeling drained after
> using their "ability". IMO, this is where the draining element in
> Shadowrun itself stems from- or at least where the creators got the
> idea.
>
This is true. You also see it showing up in modern fiction.
FireStarter (The father frequently got nose bleeds). It also
appears in alot of comics.
Like most things, your body is meant to handle only so much
strain.

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Message no. 4
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Drain and Psychic Powers [was Re: Psychic or Magic]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:00:00 -0500
On 16 Jan 98 at 12:14, Gurth wrote:

> Yuri Geller bent spoons "with his mind," Yuri Gagarin was the first
> human in space.

Well, not really. Yuri Geller was proven to be a complete hoaxster
many years later by the Amazing Randy. (Sorry, don't know his real
name).

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Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Drain and Psychic Powers [was Re: Psychic or Magic]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:16:48 +0000
And verily, did Drekhead hastily scribble thusly...
|
|On 16 Jan 98 at 12:14, Gurth wrote:
|
|> Yuri Geller bent spoons "with his mind," Yuri Gagarin was the first
|> human in space.
|
|Well, not really. Yuri Geller was proven to be a complete hoaxster
|many years later by the Amazing Randy. (Sorry, don't know his real
|name).

Oh, I agree he's a hoaxter, but I disagree about him having been proven so.
If the proof was so convincing, why is he still earning a packet from Oil
companies for pinpointing new oilfields "Psychicly"

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Message no. 6
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Drain and Psychic Powers [was Re: Psychic or Magic]
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:51:36 -0500
On 16 Jan 98 at 16:16, Spike wrote:

> And verily, did Drekhead hastily scribble thusly...
> |
> |On 16 Jan 98 at 12:14, Gurth wrote:
> |
> |> Yuri Geller bent spoons "with his mind," Yuri Gagarin was the first
> |> human in space.
> |
> |Well, not really. Yuri Geller was proven to be a complete hoaxster
> |many years later by the Amazing Randy. (Sorry, don't know his real
> |name).
>
> Oh, I agree he's a hoaxter, but I disagree about him having been
> proven so. If the proof was so convincing, why is he still earning a
> packet from Oil companies for pinpointing new oilfields "Psychicly"

Ok, I guess I should have been more specific. The spoon bending was
proven as fake, and Yuri was discredited. But that was many years
ago. I'm not surprised that he is back and pulling new tricks. People
have short memories.

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Drain and Psychic Powers [was Re: Psychic or Magic]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:41:13 +0100
Drekhead said on 11:00/16 Jan 98...

> > Yuri Geller bent spoons "with his mind," Yuri Gagarin was the first
> > human in space.
>
> Well, not really. Yuri Geller was proven to be a complete hoaxster
> many years later by the Amazing Randy. (Sorry, don't know his real
> name).

Why do you think I put it in quotes? :) I think I know which Randy you
mean, the one with the white hair and beard who makes TV shows about this
sort of stuff, right?

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Message no. 8
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Drain and Psychic Powers [was Re: Psychic or Magic]
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:19:50 -0500
On 17 Jan 98 at 12:41, Gurth wrote:

> Why do you think I put it in quotes? :) I think I know which Randy
> you mean, the one with the white hair and beard who makes TV shows
> about this sort of stuff, right?

Yep, that's the one.

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