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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (corey mitchell)
Subject: drakes
Date: Mon Oct 8 18:00:01 2001
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ok ive bein looking threw my year of the comet wich i got 2 mothes ago. And im curiouse
how do you make drakes? I read in the surge section that there are things you can use to
make people look like these drakes but the way your saying it you can creat a char. who is
a full drake not a surge drake. can you tell me how to do this?


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ok ive bein looking threw my year of the comet wich i got 2 mothes ago.  And im
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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Wallace Blade)
Subject: drakes
Date: Mon Oct 8 18:45:01 2001
Corey mitchell said:
>ok ive bein looking threw my year of the comet wich i got 2 mothes >ago.
>And im curiouse how do you make drakes? I read in the surge >section that
>there are things you can use to make people look like >these drakes but the
>way your saying it you can creat a char. who is a >full drake not a surge
>drake. can you tell me how to do this?

Though I haven't read it yet (have it downstairs, but I haven't had time to
even look at it too much), I believe that they were made by the dragons back
in ED, or something like that. it was said in the dumpshock forums, so you
might just find it there.

Wallace Blade
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but only obeys those of us that love her."
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Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: drakes
Date: Mon Oct 8 20:25:01 2001
In a message dated 10/8/01 6:49:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
decker_seph@*******.com writes:

> Though I haven't read it yet (have it downstairs, but I haven't had time to
> even look at it too much), I believe that they were made by the dragons
back
>
> in ED, or something like that. it was said in the dumpshock forums, so you
> might just find it there.

Yeah, they're created/ golem type creatures. They were hidden in teh form of
human's during the downtime, apparently with no memory of their Drakiness.
(or, they were asleep until recently)

Other possibility is that they managed to finally make a breedable drake and
the curent drakes are the descendants of such.
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: drakes
Date: Tue Oct 9 03:25:01 2001
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Wallace Blade wrote:

> Corey mitchell said:
> >ok ive bein looking threw my year of the comet wich i got 2 mothes >ago.
> >And im curiouse how do you make drakes? I read in the surge >section that
> >there are things you can use to make people look like >these drakes but the
> >way your saying it you can creat a char. who is a >full drake not a surge
> >drake. can you tell me how to do this?
>
> Though I haven't read it yet (have it downstairs, but I haven't had time to
> even look at it too much), I believe that they were made by the dragons back
> in ED, or something like that. it was said in the dumpshock forums, so you
> might just find it there.

Theres a lot of info on drakes out there, spread around a lot. the best
info source is the Earthdawn Dragons e-book. you might be able to get it
from the fasa site still, but if you do a web search for EDragons.pdf
you should find it. if you dont have any luck email me off list and I'll
send you a copy.

basically, in the Days Of Earthdawn there were only drakes that were
created by dragons through a ritual. howver, due to game developmemts I
dont know about (not enough sourcebooks!) a girl appeared that could breed
with drakes, giving them the normal ability to breed as other creatures.
it is these that are likely SURGEing, IMHO. more info on these can be
found in the dragon heart trilogy of books, but not much...

so, basically, only dragons can Create drakes, the others have been born.
ASAIK drakes are not PC types, as they are too powerfull; this certianly
seems to be the consensus, anyway....


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Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: drakes
Date: Tue Oct 9 12:40:00 2001
In a message dated 10/9/01 12:09:24 PM, corey mitchell writes:
>ok ive bein looking threw my year of the comet wich i got 2 mothes ago.
> And im curiouse how do you make drakes? I read in the surge section that
>there are things you can use to make people look like these drakes but
>the way your saying it you can creat a char. who is a full drake not a
>surge drake. can you tell me how to do this?

Drakes will be covered in some more depth in the upcoming Threats 2,
including their stats and the possibility of using them as PCs (if you're so
inclined).

Steve Kenson

Talon Studio
http://members.aol.com/talonmail
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Achille Autran)
Subject: drakes
Date: Wed Oct 10 16:30:00 2001
> Drakes will be covered in some more depth in the upcoming Threats 2,
> including their stats and the possibility of using them as PCs (if you're so
> inclined).
>
> Steve Kenson

Yay! Well, not the PC possibility (I'm definitly not so inclined), but
the drakes themselves. Can we hope for more about the draconic society
in SR as well? Some decent coverage would be cool, instead of grabbing
ideas from Earthdawn (even if it is IMnsHO awesome material.) Dragons
have always been prominent figures in Shadowrun with little to no
background...

Molloy
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Arclight)
Subject: drakes
Date: Wed Oct 10 16:40:00 2001
At 22:27 10.10.2001 +0200, Achille Autran wrote:

<snip>

>Yay! Well, not the PC possibility (I'm definitly not so inclined), but
>the drakes themselves. Can we hope for more about the draconic society
>in SR as well?

Draconic society? With, erm, 1 draco as of now? (afaik, of course)

Arclight
Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Achille Autran)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Thu Oct 11 09:05:01 2001
> Draconic society? With, erm, 1 draco as of now? (afaik, of course)
>
> Arclight

Err, no, "draconic society" as "the society of dragons", not "the
society of drakes". Quite a wider pool. Drakes can't be much separated
of their big bellied masters, anyway. BTW, there are three "official"
drakes in SR, AFAIK: that pretty boy Ryan Mercury, Scales from Corporate
Punishment, and that shapechanging thingy from YotC.

Molloy
Message no. 9
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Thu Oct 11 09:20:01 2001
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Achille Autran wrote:

> Err, no, "draconic society" as "the society of dragons", not
"the
> society of drakes". Quite a wider pool. Drakes can't be much separated
> of their big bellied masters, anyway. BTW, there are three "official"
> drakes in SR, AFAIK: that pretty boy Ryan Mercury, Scales from Corporate
> Punishment, and that shapechanging thingy from YotC.
>

of course, if you believe the hints dropped in Steve Kenson's books (not
crossfire or the burning time...the other one.cant remember right now)
they may be another one as well.... or that could be that the author was
reservibg future storylines. of course, the fact that that author is the
same one writing the drakes rules make me think....:-)

wow. that has to be the vaguest email I've done to date...

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Message no. 10
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Achille Autran)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Thu Oct 11 12:45:01 2001
>From john@*****.net:
> of course, if you believe the hints dropped in Steve Kenson's books (not
> crossfire or the burning time...the other one.cant remember right now)
> they may be another one as well....

Which other one, since Steve Kenson wrote four novels total?
Technobabel, or Ragnarock? I spotted no would-be drake in those books,
and I'm usually pretty keen at that game. Well, it was some time ago, I
could have very possibly missed the hints. Do you remember the character
in question?

> or that could be that the author was
> reservibg future storylines. of course, the fact that that author is the
> same one writing the drakes rules make me think....:-)

Then maybe the fact that Mr Kenson wrote Dunkezahn Secrets: Portfolio of
a /Dragon/, some parts of /Dragons/ for Earthdawn, was scheduled to
write Pawns of the /Dragon/ (a sourcebook about Iopos in Earthdawn, the
city ruled by Denairastas, the Outcast dragon.) and probably many other
draconic contributions in Earthdawn books may make you think more...
Dragons are obviously a soft spot in Steve Kenson's writing interests,
and I must admit that I'm quite delighted with what he has produced on
the subject so far.

Molloy
Message no. 11
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Thu Oct 11 13:05:01 2001
In a message dated 10/11/01 12:09:38 PM, John@*****.net writes:
>of course, if you believe the hints dropped in Steve Kenson's books (not
>crossfire or the burning time...the other one.cant remember right now)
>they may be another one as well.... or that could be that the author was
>reservibg future storylines.

If you're refering to Talon (from Crossroads, Ragnarock, and Burning Time)
then, no, he's not a drake (or Earthdawn dragon-kin, as others have guessed).
I have something else in mind ;-)

Steve Kenson

Talon Studio
http://members.aol.com/talonmail
Message no. 12
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Thu Oct 11 21:00:00 2001
In a message dated 10/11/01 8:44:32 PM, Achille Autran <aautran@****.fr>
writes:
>Then maybe the fact that Mr Kenson wrote Dunkezahn Secrets: Portfolio of
>a /Dragon/, some parts of /Dragons/ for Earthdawn, was scheduled to
>write Pawns of the /Dragon/ (a sourcebook about Iopos in Earthdawn, the
>city ruled by Denairastas, the Outcast dragon.)

(sigh) It's a pity I never got to write that one. I was really looking
forward to it. The Denairastas were just so much fun to write about in Secret
Societies of Barsaive and I had a lot of other ideas. Still, t'will be
interesting to see what the folks at Living Room Games will do with them...

Steve Kenson

Talon Studio
http://members.aol.com/talonmail
Message no. 13
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Thu Oct 11 21:10:01 2001
> If you're refering to Talon (from Crossroads,
Ragnarock, and Burning Time) then, no, he's not a
drake (or Earthdawn dragon-kin, as others have
guessed). I have something else in mind ;-)
> Steve Kenson

I've got it!!!

He's the illegitimate son of Bob Dragon, the porn
superstar! Bob is most well known for the size of his
trouser snake (or, as you might have guessed, his
trouser dragon, as he likes to call it). Bob's trouser
dragon even features in the Guinness Book of Records.

Talon will be crushed when he realises this is what
has been alluded to in his adventures, and will join a
troupe of travelling mime artists in a subconscious
attempt to get himself killed.

So? How'm I doing, Steve?

;)

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Message no. 14
From: shadowrn@*********.com (GreyWolf)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Thu Oct 11 22:15:01 2001
> I've got it!!!
>
> He's the illegitimate son of Bob Dragon, the porn
> superstar! Bob is most well known for the size of his
> trouser snake (or, as you might have guessed, his
> trouser dragon, as he likes to call it). Bob's trouser
> dragon even features in the Guinness Book of Records.
>
> Talon will be crushed when he realises this is what
> has been alluded to in his adventures, and will join a
> troupe of travelling mime artists in a subconscious
> attempt to get himself killed.
>
> So? How'm I doing, Steve?

I dont pretent to know what Steve thinks of that Rand, but I sure can say
that tomorrows game sounds like it will be interesting!

GreyWolf
Message no. 15
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Thu Oct 11 23:05:01 2001
> > I've got it!!!
> >
> > He's the illegitimate son of Bob Dragon, the porn
superstar! Bob is most well known for the size of his
trouser snake (or, as you might have guessed, his
trouser dragon, as he likes to call it). Bob's trouser
dragon even features in the Guinness Book of Records.
> >
> > Talon will be crushed when he realises this is
what has been alluded to in his adventures, and will
join a troupe of travelling mime artists in a
subconscious attempt to get himself killed.
> >
> > So? How'm I doing, Steve?
>
> I dont pretent to know what Steve thinks of that
Rand, but I sure can say that tomorrows game sounds
like it will be interesting!
> GreyWolf

Just remember one thing, man...

I don't do mime.

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Message no. 16
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Fri Oct 12 07:45:01 2001
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Achille Autran wrote:

> Which other one, since Steve Kenson wrote four novels total?
> Technobabel, or Ragnarock? I spotted no would-be drake in those books,
> and I'm usually pretty keen at that game. Well, it was some time ago, I
> could have very possibly missed the hints. Do you remember the character
> in question?

thank you! ragnarock, I believe it was, the elven Paladin refers to him
as "Son of the dragon" in elvish, right at the end, not to mention why
Lofwy chose him in the first place..(ie, I dont know why, but I'm not
giving out too much info in case I spoil it for someone)

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Message no. 17
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Fri Oct 12 07:55:05 2001
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 TalonMail@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 10/11/01 12:09:38 PM, John@*****.net writes:
> >of course, if you believe the hints dropped in Steve Kenson's books (not
> >crossfire or the burning time...the other one.cant remember right now)
> >they may be another one as well.... or that could be that the author was
> >reservibg future storylines.
>
> If you're refering to Talon (from Crossroads, Ragnarock, and Burning Time)
> then, no, he's not a drake (or Earthdawn dragon-kin, as others have guessed).
> I have something else in mind ;-)

I was indeed, and now I'm intruiged to see what you have planned...does
this mean you have more stuff written/planning to write or are you
expecting to be comissioned to write more in the future?


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Message no. 18
From: shadowrn@*********.com (shadowrn@*********.com)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Fri Oct 12 11:55:00 2001
In a message dated 10/12/01 8:35:15 AM, docwagon101@*****.com writes:
>He's the illegitimate son of Bob Dragon, the porn
>superstar! Bob is most well known for the size of his
>trouser snake (or, as you might have guessed, his
>trouser dragon, as he likes to call it). Bob's trouser
>dragon even features in the Guinness Book of Records.
>
>Talon will be crushed when he realises this is what
>has been alluded to in his adventures, and will join a
>troupe of travelling mime artists in a subconscious
>attempt to get himself killed.

DAMN! Well, there goes my next Shadowrun novel....

Back to the drawing board....

Steve Kenson

Talon Studio
http://members.aol.com/talonmail
Message no. 19
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject: Drakes
Date: Fri Oct 12 18:55:01 2001
> >He's the illegitimate son of Bob Dragon, the porn
superstar! Bob is most well known for the size of his
trouser snake (or, as you might have guessed, his
trouser dragon, as he likes to call it). Bob's trouser
dragon even features in the Guinness Book of Records.
> >
> >Talon will be crushed when he realises this is what
has been alluded to in his adventures, and will join a
troupe of travelling mime artists in a subconscious
attempt to get himself killed.
>
> DAMN! Well, there goes my next Shadowrun novel....
>
> Back to the drawing board....
>
> Steve Kenson

Sorry, Steve, but when I figured it out, I was too
excited to keep my yap shut. ;)

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