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From:	Jordan findlerman@*****.com
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:34:08 -0700 (PDT)

Message no. 1 > 2. AFAIK the only (official) two imortal races are
> dragons and elves...

OK. On this note, has anyone heard anything (Canon or
otherwise) about Drakes (mentioned in the Dragon Heart
Saga) in terms of stats or story? Are they immortal?
IIRC, Ryan was a drake in human form, and he had woken
from those long naps that dragons take every few
thousand years a bit early (or was it late?) Any
leads about these breifly mentioned creatures. This
would make a great behind-the-scenes NPC for some
adventures I have in store for my PCs...

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From:	David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:50:29 -0600 (MDT)

Message no. 2 Jordan wrote:
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/ > 2. AFAIK the only (official) two imortal races are
/ > dragons and elves...
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/ OK. On this note, has anyone heard anything (Canon or
/ otherwise) about Drakes (mentioned in the Dragon Heart
/ Saga) in terms of stats or story? Are they immortal?
/ IIRC, Ryan was a drake in human form, and he had woken
/ from those long naps that dragons take every few
/ thousand years a bit early (or was it late?) Any
/ leads about these breifly mentioned creatures. This
/ would make a great behind-the-scenes NPC for some
/ adventures I have in store for my PCs...

Go to FASA's web site and go to the Earthdawn Section. If "Dragons" is
still available in PDF download it. I haven't had a chance to read my copy
yet, but it might have what you're looking for.

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From:	Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:08:41 -0500

Message no. 3 :/ OK. On this note, has anyone heard anything (Canon or
:/ otherwise) about Drakes (mentioned in the Dragon Heart
:/ Saga) in terms of stats or story? Are they immortal?
:/ IIRC, Ryan was a drake in human form, and he had woken
:/ from those long naps that dragons take every few
:/ thousand years a bit early (or was it late?) Any
:/ leads about these breifly mentioned creatures. This
:/ would make a great behind-the-scenes NPC for some
:/ adventures I have in store for my PCs...
:
:Go to FASA's web site and go to the Earthdawn Section. If "Dragons" is
:still available in PDF download it. I haven't had a chance to read my copy
:yet, but it might have what you're looking for.
:
:-David

I have read it, and it does have stats (for ED, of course). I'm pretty
sure they are immortal, also. Basically, they are small dragons that can
change themselves to look like any race of metahuman. In SR terms, they
would have the free spirit powers of "human form" and "aura masking",
as
well as some others, and maybe normal magical / adept abilities.

Mongoose

From:	William Ashe wmashe@***.net
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:31:35 -0500

Message no. 4 >Go to FASA's web site and go to the Earthdawn Section. If "Dragons" is
>still available in PDF download it. I haven't had a chance to read my copy
>yet, but it might have what you're looking for.

Downloaded it a while ago ... be prepared to spend some quality time reading
it. It's huge. It does however have a lot of really cool stuff about
dragons. Drakes, Hydras, and Wyverns are also included.

Regards
Bright-Light

From:	Damon Harper nomad74@*******.com
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:32:42 PDT

Message no. 5 [Spoiler Space re: Drakes]

>> 2. AFAIK the only (official) two imortal races are
>> dragons and elves...
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>OK. On this note, has anyone heard anything (Canon or
>otherwise) about Drakes (mentioned in the Dragon Heart
>Saga) in terms of stats or story? Are they immortal?

Yes, drakes are immortal.

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From:	EdgeWalker EdgeWalker@*****.net
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:40:14 +0100

Message no. 6 Spoiler Space

OK That should be enough

]OK. On this note, has anyone heard anything (Canon or
]otherwise) about Drakes (mentioned in the Dragon Heart
]Saga) in terms of stats or story? Are they immortal?
]IIRC, Ryan was a drake in human form, and he had woken
]from those long naps that dragons take every few
]thousand years a bit early (or was it late?) Any
]leads about these breifly mentioned creatures. This
]would make a great behind-the-scenes NPC for some
]adventures I have in store for my PCs...

You can find information on Drakes in one of the EarthDawn Book's. I can't
remember it's exact name off the top of my head, but I think that it is
"Creatures of Barsaive" or something like that. I haven't got the book
myself but I have read it. I may be wrong due to the fact that I was
reading a lot of EarthDawn material at the time.

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From:	Sommers sommers@*****.umich.edu
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:54:01 -0400

Message no. 7 At 12:40 PM 4/29/99 , EdgeWalker wrote:
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>]IIRC, Ryan was a drake in human form, and he had woken
>]from those long naps that dragons take every few
>]thousand years a bit early (or was it late?) Any
>]leads about these breifly mentioned creatures. This
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>]adventures I have in store for my PCs...
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>You can find information on Drakes in one of the EarthDawn Book's. I can't
>remember it's exact name off the top of my head, but I think that it is
>"Creatures of Barsaive" or something like that. I haven't got the book
>myself but I have read it. I may be wrong due to the fact that I was
>reading a lot of EarthDawn material at the time.

The book is "Secret Societies of Earthdawn" and the section you want is the
first one about the Dragon's Networks. Not only does it have stuff about
Drakes but about how dragons operate behind the scenes.

Sommers
Insert witty quote here.

From:	Daniel Brace dbrace@**********.com
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:28:41 -0400

Message no. 8 At 12:40 PM 4/29/99 , EdgeWalker wrote:
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>]Saga) in terms of stats or story? Are they immortal?
>]IIRC, Ryan was a drake in human form, and he had woken
>]from those long naps that dragons take every few
>]thousand years a bit early (or was it late?) Any
>]leads about these breifly mentioned creatures. This
>]would make a great behind-the-scenes NPC for some
>]adventures I have in store for my PCs...
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>You can find information on Drakes in one of the EarthDawn Book's. I can't
>remember it's exact name off the top of my head, but I think that it is
>"Creatures of Barsaive" or something like that. I haven't got the book
>myself but I have read it. I may be wrong due to the fact that I was
>reading a lot of EarthDawn material at the time.

>>The book is "Secret Societies of Earthdawn" and the section you want is
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>>first one about the Dragon's Networks. Not only does it have stuff about
>>Drakes but about how dragons operate behind the scenes.

>>Sommers
>>Insert witty quote here.

Actually isn't it "Secret Societies of Barsaive"? There's also a lot of
good info in "Dragons" on Drakes. Some general information on Drakes is on
pages 47-49, then each "kind" of dragon has their own variation throughout
the book.

From:	Alex van der Kleut sommers@*****.edu
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:42:49 -0400

Message no. 9 At 01:28 PM 4/29/99 , Daniel Brace wrote:
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>>]IIRC, Ryan was a drake in human form, and he had woken
>>]from those long naps that dragons take every few
>>]thousand years a bit early (or was it late?) Any
>>]leads about these breifly mentioned creatures. This
>>]would make a great behind-the-scenes NPC for some
>>]adventures I have in store for my PCs...
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>>You can find information on Drakes in one of the EarthDawn Book's. I can't
>>remember it's exact name off the top of my head, but I think that it is
>>"Creatures of Barsaive" or something like that. I haven't got the book
>>myself but I have read it. I may be wrong due to the fact that I was
>>reading a lot of EarthDawn material at the time.
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>>>Drakes but about how dragons operate behind the scenes.
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>Actually isn't it "Secret Societies of Barsaive"? There's also a lot of
>good info in "Dragons" on Drakes. Some general information on Drakes is on
>pages 47-49, then each "kind" of dragon has their own variation throughout
>the book.

Oops, my bad. You're right, its Barsaive not Earthdawn.

I haven't gotten a chance to look over Dragons yet, but I think I will
tonight. Sounds like good reading. I did like the dragon network for the
insight into the dragon mind, and how they relate to other races. Gives an
interesting spin to Lowfyr.

By the way, that's a nice shot of him on the cover to Corporate Download.
No preview yet, but good cover art.

Alex
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From:	Jordan findlerman@*****.com
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:42:05 -0700 (PDT)

Message no. 10 --- Mongoose wrote:
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> :/ OK. On this note, has anyone heard anything
> (Canon or
> :/ otherwise) about Drakes (mentioned in the Dragon
> Heart
> :/ Saga) in terms of stats or story?
[Snip]
> :Go to FASA's web site and go to the Earthdawn
> Section. If "Dragons" is
> :still available in PDF download it. I haven't had
> a chance to read my copy
> :yet, but it might have what you're looking for.
[Snip]
> I have read it, and it does have stats (for ED,
> of course).

[Snip]

OK, then my next question would be (with the little
tidbit that I already have downloaded Dragons, but
have yet to read through it) does anyone know of a
reasonably easy and pain free way to convert the
stats? What about the powers? I have not played
Earthdawn, though it sounds like fun...unfortunately
it's being discontinued diswayed me from buying the
books that my local shop had. So, how well do the
stats convert?

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From:	NightRain nightrain@***.com.au
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 06:48:43 +1000

Message no. 11 ----- Original Message -----
From: Mongoose <m0ng005e@*********.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.org>

> :/ OK. On this note, has anyone heard anything (Canon or
> :/ otherwise) about Drakes (mentioned in the Dragon Heart
> :/ Saga) in terms of stats or story? Are they immortal?

> I have read it, and it does have stats (for ED, of course). I'm
pretty
> sure they are immortal, also. Basically, they are small dragons that can

They are not immortal. Just long lived.

> change themselves to look like any race of metahuman. In SR terms, they
> would have the free spirit powers of "human form" and "aura
masking", as
> well as some others, and maybe normal magical / adept abilities.

I'd be more inclined to treat them as mini dragon shape-shifters with the
ability to turn into any meta-human race.

NightRain.

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From:	Ereskanti@*.com Ereskanti@*.com
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:32:08 EDT

Message no. 12 In a message dated 4/29/1999 2:41:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
findlerman@*****.com writes:

> OK, then my next question would be (with the little
> tidbit that I already have downloaded Dragons, but
> have yet to read through it) does anyone know of a
> reasonably easy and pain free way to convert the
> stats? What about the powers? I have not played
> Earthdawn, though it sounds like fun...unfortunately
> it's being discontinued diswayed me from buying the
> books that my local shop had. So, how well do the
> stats convert?

Not easily. Strength is about the only one you can figure out readily.
Initiative systems are completely out-of-sync with one another (like
comparing SR and AD&D IMO). Other stuff you can figure out if you try. Some
things (like Magical Defense) and such you could almost use to "design" out a
given individual's other attributes if you really tried.

Me, I like to use the material as inspiration...and that's about it...

-K (okay, okay, so Ubyr is a favorite monster for the rivers of North America
when I'm in a really crazy mood ;-)

From:	Ahuizotl cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:09:17 -0500

Message no. 13 spolier space

Damon Harper escribió:
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> >OK. On this note, has anyone heard anything (Canon or
> >otherwise) about Drakes (mentioned in the Dragon Heart
> >Saga) in terms of stats or story? Are they immortal?
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Sorry Drakes is not the guy of Arlequins back?

Ahuizotl
english TRYING :) speaker

From:	Kate . liliths_childe@*******.com
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:53:56 GMT

Message no. 14 Spoiler Space

>>Yes, drakes are immortal.
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No, el te llamo Darke, no Drake, si puede ser correctamente.

Lo siento, mi Espanol este mui malo.

Kate

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From:	Ahuizotl cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:20:16 -0500

Message no. 15 > Spoiler Space

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kate Muchas gracias hermosa, you spanish is better that my english

Ahuizotl

From:	Ereskanti@*.com Ereskanti@*.com
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:03:39 EDT

Message no. 16 In a message dated 4/30/1999 9:52:36 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
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K falls over laughing after he read this ... it took a moment ...

-K

From:	Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Sat, 1 May 1999 13:44:36 +0200

Message no. 17 According to Ahuizotl, at 9:09 on 30 Apr 99, the word on
the street was...

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That's Mr. Darke, not Drake. (In the English version, anyway. It's
possible that he got a name change in the Spanish translation, of course.)

> Ahuizotl
> english TRYING :) speaker

As long as you can make yourself understood, who cares what language you
speak? (At any rate, your English is better than my Spanish :)

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From:	Ahuizotl cuellare@***.telmex.net.mx
Subject:	Drakes (Dragon Heart Spoiler)
Date:	Mon, 03 May 1999 10:20:36 -0500

Message no. 18 ...

Gurth escribió:
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no its the same, i was wrong with the name :)

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> speak? (At any rate, your English is better than my Spanish :)
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thanks

Ahuizotl

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