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Message no. 1
From: Kevin White <kevw@*****.CO.UK>
Subject: Dumb magic questions
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:07:47 +0000
Okay, I managed it... I actually started to GM some SR. Bit of a shock
to the system since I hate GMing. :(

Annyywwwaaayyy... since I have now started GMing I am undoubtedly going
to be bombarding the list with dumb questions (Sorry folks ;)....

If a shaman/mage concentrates his sorcery skill, what is his magic pool
equal to?

Can barrier spells move?


Diamond
Message no. 2
From: Carsten Baermann <Carsten.Baermann@****.UNI-GIESSEN.DE>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:55:52 +0100
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Kevin White wrote:

> If a shaman/mage concentrates his sorcery skill, what is his magic pool
> equal to?

Depends on what he is doing. I.e. if he has an base skill of 4 and
spellcasting on 6 he would have 6 dice in the magic pool for casting
speels and 4 dice for all other relevant use of the sorcery skill
(Spell defense etc.). Examples and more info is in Awakenings.


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Message no. 3
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:02:53 +0000
|
|Okay, I managed it... I actually started to GM some SR. Bit of a shock
|to the system since I hate GMing. :(
|
|Annyywwwaaayyy... since I have now started GMing I am undoubtedly going
|to be bombarding the list with dumb questions (Sorry folks ;)....
|
|If a shaman/mage concentrates his sorcery skill, what is his magic pool
|equal to?

His magic pool drops by one, but the concentration increases it by one at
the same time, so you have effectively split your pool...

If, say, you have Sorcery 4/Spell casting 6/Manipulation 8

Your magic pool would be 4 for ritual sorcery
6 for spells and
8 for Manipulation spells....

|Can barrier spells move?

Only if they're personalised, like personal bullet barrier....
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Message no. 4
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:40:38 +0000
On 5 Mar 97 at 10:07, Kevin White wrote:
> Okay, I managed it... I actually started to GM some SR. Bit of a shock
> to the system since I hate GMing. :(
Welcome to the GM's club, kevin :-)

> If a shaman/mage concentrates his sorcery skill, what is his magic pool
> equal to?
SRII, p. 85: "A character's Magic Pool is equal to his or her Sorcery
Skill (or any Concentration orSpecialization of that skill, per those
rules on p. 70), plus the rating of any applicable power foci the
character may have (see Foci, p. 137)."

> Can barrier spells move?
That's not clear by the rules. I think not, several others think they
can... decide on your own. It's not mentioned in the rules AFAIK.


Sascha
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Message no. 5
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:49:54 -0700
Diamond spoke these words of wisdom:

> If a shaman/mage concentrates his sorcery skill, what is his magic pool
> equal to?
Its split say he has scorcery at 5 and spellcasting at 7. He would have a
magic pool of 5/7 he could use up to 7 dice for the casting of a spell, but
only up to 5 for spell defence or drain etc...


> Can barrier spells move?

Good question. We play that personal barriers can move, but that normal
barriers are fixed in space when cast. This is something new for us we
used to allow normal barriers to move if their "focal point" moved but that
allowed too much room for abuse.

~Caric

"All the world's indeed a stage, we are mearly players.
Performers and portrayers. Each anothers audience,
outside the gilded cage." -Rush
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Message no. 6
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@******.GWEEP.NET>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:10:22 -0500
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>>>>> "KW" == Kevin White <kevw@*****.co.uk> writes:

KW> If a shaman/mage concentrates his sorcery skill, what is his magic pool
KW> equal to?

Equal to whichever aspect of his skill he is using. That is, with 6/4
Spellcasting/Sorcery he would have 6 dice for spellcasting, 4 dice for
anything else.

KW> Can barrier spells move?

No, Barriers are immobile. Personal Barriers are mobile.

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Message no. 7
From: TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:28:27 -0500
You wrote:
> Diamond spoke these words of wisdom:

> > If a shaman/mage concentrates his sorcery skill, what is his magic pool
> > equal to?
> Its split say he has scorcery at 5 and spellcasting at 7. He would have a
> magic pool of 5/7 he could use up to 7 dice for the casting of a spell, but
> only up to 5 for spell defence or drain etc...

OK. Now for another dumb majic question. I'm not attacking the logic or
anything, I honestly don't know how you'd handle this. Let's say that, in the
example given, the magician uses 4 dice from the pool to help cast the spell.
Would they get 1 die left to help resist drain (5-4=1), or would they get 3
dice (7-4=3)? In the first case, the two extra dice for spellcasting would be
used before the ones available for drain resistance, where as in the second
case, the 2 extra for casting get used up last. How's that get handled?

-The Immortal Mental
Message no. 8
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:43:04 -0700
> OK. Now for another dumb majic question. I'm not attacking the logic or
> anything, I honestly don't know how you'd handle this. Let's say that, in
the
> example given, the magician uses 4 dice from the pool to help cast the
spell.
> Would they get 1 die left to help resist drain (5-4=1), or would they get
3
> dice (7-4=3)? In the first case, the two extra dice for spellcasting
would be
> used before the ones available for drain resistance, where as in the
second
> case, the 2 extra for casting get used up last. How's that get handled?

Fair question...we usually give them the extra...the lower number just
indicates the max number of dice that can be added to any one of those
types of tests. Remember though that you can only add dice equal to your
magic attribute to any spellcasting test.

~Caric

"All the world's indeed a stage, we are mearly players.
Performers and portrayers. Each anothers audience,
outside the gilded cage." -Rush
caric@*******.com
Message no. 9
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 00:05:06 +0000
|OK. Now for another dumb majic question. I'm not attacking the logic or
|anything, I honestly don't know how you'd handle this. Let's say that, in the
|example given, the magician uses 4 dice from the pool to help cast the spell.

The best way to handle it is like this....

If someone has a Magic pool of 4/(spellcasting 6), then all you have to do
is say that they have a Magic pool of 4 and 2 extra dice for use in spell
casting....

Simple....

All the player has to do then is remember what he put where....
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Message no. 10
From: Tim P Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:52:40 EST
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 18:28:27 -0500 TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU writes:
>OK. Now for another dumb majic question. I'm not attacking the logic or
>anything, I honestly don't know how you'd handle this. Let's say that,
in the
>example given, the magician uses 4 dice from the pool to help cast the
spell.
>Would they get 1 die left to help resist drain (5-4=1), or would they
get 3
>dice (7-4=3)? In the first case, the two extra dice for spellcasting
would be
>used before the ones available for drain resistance, where as in the
second
>case, the 2 extra for casting get used up last. How's that get handled?
>
>-The Immortal Mental
>

Personally, I'd group Drain Resistance right in there with Spell Casting.
The two are nearly inseperable..

~Tim
Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:25:52 +0100
Kevin White said on 10:07/ 5 Mar 97...

> If a shaman/mage concentrates his sorcery skill, what is his magic pool
> equal to?

Magic Pool is equal to the Concentration in use at that moment. For
example, if the magician (say with a skill of 4) concentrates in
Spellcasting, he/she gets 5 Magic Pool dice to cast spells, but only 3
dice to defend against spells.

This can cause some trouble, for example if the character uses 3 Magic
Pool dice to cast a spell, and then (before the pool refreshes) wants to
use more pool dice against an incoming spell -- how many dice are left?
None, one, or two? I think I'd go for none, because a number of dice equal
to the _current_ pool have already been used.

> Can barrier spells move?

That isn't mentioned in the rules, AFAIK, so it's up to your judgment.
Moving barriers are more powerful than stationary ones, though.

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Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:15:48 +0100
TEGTMEBC@******.ACS.MUOHIO.ED said on 18:28/ 5 Mar 97...

> OK. Now for another dumb majic question. I'm not attacking the logic or
> anything, I honestly don't know how you'd handle this. Let's say that, in the
> example given, the magician uses 4 dice from the pool to help cast the spell.
> Would they get 1 die left to help resist drain (5-4=1), or would they get 3
> dice (7-4=3)? In the first case, the two extra dice for spellcasting would be
> used before the ones available for drain resistance, where as in the second
> case, the 2 extra for casting get used up last. How's that get handled?

I'd say the magician gets 3 dice for resisting drain, because drain falls
under spellcasting (if it's drain from a non-ritually cast spell, that
is).

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Message no. 13
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 12:22:37 -0700
> Personally, I'd group Drain Resistance right in there with Spell Casting.
> The two are nearly inseperable..
>
> ~Tim

We usually treat drain resistance like a separate item because you take
drain from things other than spells.

~Caric

"All the world's indeed a stage, we are mearly players.
Performers and portrayers. Each anothers audience,
outside the gilded cage." -Rush
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Message no. 14
From: Tim Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:26:20 -0800
On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Caric wrote:

> > Personally, I'd group Drain Resistance right in there with Spell Casting.
> > The two are nearly inseperable..
> >
> > ~Tim
>
> We usually treat drain resistance like a separate item because you take
> drain from things other than spells.
>
> ~Caric
>

Yes, but the drain recieved from spells comes exclusively from the casting
of them...which falls quite nicely into the Spell-Casting catagory of
Sorcery.

(Ok there is the fluke about dispelling, but that too is a bit connected
to spell-casting... so there! :P )

~Tim
Message no. 15
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:41:39 -0700
> Yes, but the drain recieved from spells comes exclusively from the
casting
> of them...which falls quite nicely into the Spell-Casting catagory of
> Sorcery.
>
> (Ok there is the fluke about dispelling, but that too is a bit connected
> to spell-casting... so there! :P )
>
> ~Tim

Hey hey hey put that tongue away mister!!! Well I can see your point and
as I play a mage Loki and I will have a serious talk about it ;)...wish me
luck.

Oh BTW for anyone interested Loki's baby was born...it was a beautiful baby
girl weighing 7 pounds 14 ounces
her name is Willow Eve Jones thought some of you might be interested.

~Caric

"All the world's indeed a stage, we are mearly players.
Performers and portrayers. Each anothers audience,
outside the gilded cage." -Rush
caric@*******.com
Message no. 16
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Dumb magic questions
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:04:23 +0000
|
|> Personally, I'd group Drain Resistance right in there with Spell Casting.
|> The two are nearly inseperable..
|>
|> ~Tim
|
|We usually treat drain resistance like a separate item because you take
|drain from things other than spells.

Eh? Like what?
conjuring drain doesn't make use of the Magic Pool....
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