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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Hahns Shin)
Subject: Dunkelzahn and Icewing
Date: Tue Apr 16 23:00:01 2002
Sorry, my mailer is acting up strangely, but this is in regards to the
question of how I know about Icewing and Dunkelzahn. The answer is that I
don't. :-) They are educated guesses, though some guesses are pretty
well-supported.

The coloration of Dunkelzahn matches Mountainshadow (and likewise, Icewing
and Ghostwalker's colors match). Mountainshadow has always taken an interest
(an almost obsessive interest) with metahumanity, much like our favorite
talk show dragon. Mountainshadow had a servant (possibly a drake) named
Darktooth, which translated to German is Dunkelzahn. (He might have found
this particular name humorous at the time, considering he awakened around
the time of Lofwyr, his German rival). Mountainshadow also saved many
metahumans and protected them in his lairs during the Fourth World
"Scourge", so it seems that he opposes the Scourge, and specifically wants
to protect metahumanity from the Horrors. Thus, we have motive and
coincidental similarities, though one can never be for sure.

A lot of this information is gleaned from Dragons, an Earthdawn Sourcebook
(free for download) that never made it to the presses. There are more hints
during some exchanges between Harlequin and Dunkelzahn, and a lot of the
questions are addressed in the conclusion of the Dragonheart Trilogy.
Icewing's information is detailed in the Dragons sourcebook, too, but his
Ghostwalker moniker comes from YOTC. Read the comments from the "council" of
great dragons for more insight. It is speculated that Denver's great spirit
(which is fragmented) is actually the spirit of his dead lover, which is why
he chooses to lair there (he had his mate's spirit trapped into a soulstone
or something similar... the other dragons abhor the practice), but this more
personal speculation than actual canon. As for his return, it is mentioned
that he has a telepathic link to Mountainshadow, being his brother...
perhaps he heard Dunky's dying scream and "homed in" on it to return to the
"Material plane" (to borrow an AD+D term)... maybe he escaped the low mana
level by existing on an elemental plane.

Hahns Shin, MS II
Budding cybersurgeon

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Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: Dunkelzahn and Icewing
Date: Wed Apr 17 00:55:01 2002
Where can Dragons be found?
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Benjamin John Hayes)
Subject: Dunkelzahn and Icewing
Date: Wed Apr 17 01:05:01 2002
> Where can Dragons be found?

Try http://www.dragonpaw.org/~ash/earthdawn/

or alternatively I could send it to you (764 kB).

Ben the Chunky Dwarf
TDoW
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: Dunkelzahn and Icewing
Date: Wed Apr 17 01:15:01 2002
> Where can Dragons be found?

This is a difficult question, some believe that if you wish hard enough
you may be able to locate them however others have a theory that with
their great size and mass you could locate them by searching for hordes
of animals that would be coming up missing, while there are yet others
that say you walk around looking (and smelling) for piles of dragon
"droppings".....
Yeah I know not at all what you were looking for but I thought I'd toss
it in to see if I could crack at least a couple smiles from this list.

Derek
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: Dunkelzahn and Icewing
Date: Wed Apr 17 01:15:04 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin John Hayes" <bjh10@***.edu.au>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: Dunkelzahn and Icewing


> > Where can Dragons be found?
>
> Try http://www.dragonpaw.org/~ash/earthdawn/
>

Thanks, Ben. I appreciate it.

> or alternatively I could send it to you (764 kB).
>

No worries. I can download it.
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Chris Beilby)
Subject: Dunkelzahn and Icewing
Date: Wed Apr 17 01:20:01 2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Hyde" <dhyde@*********.net>
To: <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:11 AM
Subject: RE: Dunkelzahn and Icewing


> > Where can Dragons be found?
>
> This is a difficult question, some believe that if you wish hard enough
> you may be able to locate them however others have a theory that with
> their great size and mass you could locate them by searching for hordes
> of animals that would be coming up missing, while there are yet others
> that say you walk around looking (and smelling) for piles of dragon
> "droppings".....
> Yeah I know not at all what you were looking for but I thought I'd toss
> it in to see if I could crack at least a couple smiles from this list.

*Chuckles* Thanks for the laugh, Derik.
Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: Dunkelzahn and Icewing
Date: Wed Apr 17 05:25:15 2002
According to Chris Beilby, on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 the word on the street was...

> Where can Dragons be found?

In swamps, generally. But be careful, they have a bad tendency to blow up
when they're startled or get excited.

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Message no. 8
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Geoff Haacke)
Subject: Dunkelzahn and Icewing
Date: Sat Apr 20 01:40:02 2002
From: Benjamin John Hayes <bjh10@***.edu.au>
> Where can Dragons be found?


>Try http://www.dragonpaw.org/~ash/earthdawn/
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Taking a quick scan i notice one or two similarities
between Dunk and this Mountainshadow
1. They both have the jewel of Memory (Dunkie left it
to Lofwyr in his will)
2. They both want to enlighten the "Young races"
about dragons.
3. Both seeem to feel that "with great power comes
great responsibility."

Kinda neat!

====Geoff Haacke
"The difference between genius and stupidity
is that genius has its limits."
-Albert Einstein

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