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Message no. 1
From: Joshua T Brown <spamquat@****.COM>
Subject: Dunkelzahn - A new Theory
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:45:03 -0500
On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:56:15 +0000 Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
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What about the idea that the Big D Offed HIMSELF.... ? No, I'm not
talking about a suicidal dragon not being able to deal with the stress of
the presidency.... I'm talking about Blood Magic. Dragon Blood Magic. My
theory is that through the sacrifice of his own life, Dunkelzahn may have
done something as-yet-unrevealed to either fight, or prepare for the
Horrors. Whether his act sent him to the Netherworlds (metaplanes) as a
more powerful being, or whatever, the evidence left by his act is
apparent in 2 places. 1)His Will 2)The mysterious Astral Phenomena left
behind at the site of the blast.

Parts of his will suggest that he knew what was about to happen to him.
this foreknowledge is a bit "fishy" to me. We take one of the most
difficult beings to kill on the planet, a Great Dragon, and make him an
extraordinarily difficult person to kill anyway, the President of the
United States. While both beings of this type have been killed,
combining the two seems to make it REAL unlikely that he was just "taken
off guard" and blown up.

Ok, so what did his death Accomplish?
1) The Draco Foundation has SERIOUSLY changed the SR world in carrying
out the dragon's wishes, and most of the changes seem to be positive.
2) Though there are MANY who will always disagree, I'd argue that the
people of the SR world are somewhat less divided than they were before,
and possibly the "coming together" was made stronger by the dragon's
death. I think that the "good guys" (if truly there are any in SR) are
more unified now.
3) In Earthdawn's Magic: a Manual of Mystic Secrets, The "Dying Act" type
of Sacrifice Magic allows a PC to roll step dice, and then add additional
dice equal to the number of TOTAL karma earned. Kind of a voluntary "Hand
of God" (optional SR Companion Rule) which is dedicated towards a
specific purpose, instead of just saving the characters behind. Imagine
if you will the force of an act like that powered by every bit of Karma
from a Great Dragon Who's been around since the Fourth World. More than
enough to blow up a limo and rip a hole in the astral plane, huh? His
specific purpose in doing this is yet unrevealed, but perhaps someone
more canny than I has a theory or an observation on that.

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Message no. 2
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Dunkelzahn - A new Theory
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:36:55 -0700
Joshua T Brown wrote:
>
> On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 17:56:15 +0000 Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
> writes:
> >> > >> >> S
> >> > >> >> P
> >> > >> >> O
> >> > >> >> I
> >> > >> >> L
> >> > >> >> E
> >> > >> >> R
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> S
> >> > >> >> P
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> What about the idea that the Big D Offed HIMSELF.... ? No, I'm not
> talking about a suicidal dragon not being able to deal with the stress of
> the presidency.... I'm talking about Blood Magic. Dragon Blood Magic.


How about this for another theory: Dunkelzahn martyred himself to become
a new Totem. Y'know, ingrained himself into the public consciousness
like the Gator Totem, and all that.

About as valid as anything else out there...
Message no. 3
From: Mark Steedman <M.J.Steedman@***.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Dunkelzahn - A new Theory
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:17:17 GMT
Joshua T Brown writes

spoiler space - i reset it, the >'s were reaching the hundereds!

























> What about the idea that the Big D Offed HIMSELF.... ? No, I'm not
> talking about a suicidal dragon not being able to deal with the stress of
> the presidency.... I'm talking about Blood Magic. Dragon Blood Magic. My
> theory is that through the sacrifice of his own life, Dunkelzahn may have
> done something as-yet-unrevealed to either fight, or prepare for the
> Horrors.

> 2) Though there are MANY who will always disagree, I'd argue that
the
> people of the SR world are somewhat less divided than they were before,
> and possibly the "coming together" was made stronger by the dragon's
> death. I think that the "good guys" (if truly there are any in SR) are
> more unified now.

Coupled with the 'dragon to the dragon heart' theory this has
possibilies, Dunk does strike you as the sort to consider Matrydom
which history has proved can make you far more powerful than any
amount of leadership (ok it has a very serious downside but). Dunk
setting things up so the UCAS thinks he was assasinated may just be
the kick required to get the folks of the planet off their backsides
and get together to fix the worlds problems. The ie in the background
to get rid of the Horrors (and probably then go back to playing
politics with the only folks they think worthy of the game - each
other, at which time they don't affect the rest of us) and the UCAS
government in the foreground to sort out planet Earth.

Of course it could be star systems from the truth but the theory is a
good one :)

Mark
Message no. 4
From: Stefan <casanova@***.PASSAGEN.SE>
Subject: Re: Dunkelzahn - A new Theory
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:03:23 +0000
> >> > >> >> S
> >> > >> >> P
> >> > >> >> O
> >> > >> >> I
> >> > >> >> L
> >> > >> >> E
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> >> > >> >> S
> >> > >> >> P
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> What about the idea that the Big D Offed HIMSELF.... ? No, I'm not
> talking about a suicidal dragon not being able to deal with the stress of
> the presidency.... I'm talking about Blood Magic. Dragon Blood Magic. My
> theory is that through the sacrifice of his own life, Dunkelzahn may have
> done something as-yet-unrevealed to either fight, or prepare for the
> Horrors. Whether his act sent him to the Netherworlds (metaplanes) as a
> more powerful being, or whatever, the evidence left by his act is
> apparent in 2 places. 1)His Will 2)The mysterious Astral Phenomena left
> behind at the site of the blast.

the idea that Dunkelzahn would use blood magic is well not impossible
but still alittle weird since the use of blood magic would make it
easier for the horrors to pop in and he defeatly did not want that
but ok so he used some potent mumbojumbo.

> Parts of his will suggest that he knew what was about to happen to him.
> this foreknowledge is a bit "fishy" to me. We take one of the most
> difficult beings to kill on the planet, a Great Dragon, and make him an
> extraordinarily difficult person to kill anyway, the President of the
> United States. While both beings of this type have been killed,
> combining the two seems to make it REAL unlikely that he was just "taken
> off guard" and blown up.

Well since the great wyrm was not a day over 29 .... thousand I
suppose he has the right to be alittle fishy ... Sure a great dragon
is difficult to kill ... The President of UCAS ... sure but not
impossible ... What would Dunkelzahn have bodyguards for ?
Killing the President of the USA or anybody in a high place just
takes one motivated person willing to give his own life for the
target so it is not really that difficult anybody can be killed but
in Dunkelzahns case I would guess it would have to be a very very
motivated person and he probably need something larger than a gun.

"Taken off guard" and blown away is very unlikely ...

> Ok, so what did his death Accomplish?
> 1) The Draco Foundation has SERIOUSLY changed the SR world in carrying
> out the dragon's wishes, and most of the changes seem to be positive.

He did not have to die to do that ... He could have done it anyway
there has to be something else.

> 2) Though there are MANY who will always disagree, I'd argue that the
> people of the SR world are somewhat less divided than they were before,
> and possibly the "coming together" was made stronger by the dragon's
> death. I think that the "good guys" (if truly there are any in SR) are
> more unified now.

This sort of make Dunkelzahn appear as Jesus or someone like that ...
I think he could have killed himself to stop some greater horror or
something but not just to unite the worlds Shadowrunners (if they now
are the good guys which I sometimes seriously doubt).

> 3) In Earthdawn's Magic: a Manual of Mystic Secrets, The "Dying Act" type
> of Sacrifice Magic allows a PC to roll step dice, and then add additional
> dice equal to the number of TOTAL karma earned. Kind of a voluntary "Hand
> of God" (optional SR Companion Rule) which is dedicated towards a
> specific purpose, instead of just saving the characters behind. Imagine
> if you will the force of an act like that powered by every bit of Karma
> from a Great Dragon Who's been around since the Fourth World. More than
> enough to blow up a limo and rip a hole in the astral plane, huh? His
> specific purpose in doing this is yet unrevealed, but perhaps someone
> more canny than I has a theory or an observation on that.

Well I think that this would be very possible since he would have had
LOADS of Karma ...

/Stefan

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