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Message no. 1
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: dwarf anatomy
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:57:25 +1100
It says in the rules that dwarfs have fairly normal sized torsos, just
shourt arms and legs. So, if a dwarf got human sized cyberlimbs, he'd have
all the benefits of dwarfdom and no social negatives, right?
I personally see dwarfs as human scale but broader.
Message no. 2
From: NeoJudas neojudas@******************.com
Subject: dwarf anatomy
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:31:27 -0500
From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
Subject: dwarf anatomy


> It says in the rules that dwarfs have fairly normal sized torsos, just
> shourt arms and legs. So, if a dwarf got human sized cyberlimbs, he'd have
> all the benefits of dwarfdom and no social negatives, right?
> I personally see dwarfs as human scale but broader.

You know, this is another one of those topics that I don't know how to cope
with correctly. I personally think you would be right, in that you *could*
swap out full cyber-replacements, and have a lot of laughs... but the
problems....

I think the worse thing anyone here considered was taking a full-torso
replacement and going for a "Troll Torso" instead of their own. I wasn't
entirely sure how to rule that one to be truthful.
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Message no. 3
From: Mister Incognito misterincognito@*******.com
Subject: dwarf anatomy
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:22:36 -0000
Simon and Fiona wrote:

>It says in the rules that dwarfs have fairly normal sized torsos, just
>shourt arms and legs. So, if a dwarf got human sized cyberlimbs, he'd >have
>all the benefits of dwarfdom and no social negatives, right?
>I personally see dwarfs as human scale but broader.

There's a topic 'bout this over on the DeumpShock Forums from a while back.
There shouldn't be too many problems. I've done this myself, my dwarf rigger
had a major complex over being short so he had his arms and legs chopped off
and human-sized cyber replacements installed. Me and the GM decided though
that you get a *lot* of +TN's to compensate though.

Think about it. You just grew by about a meter or so. Your perspective is
different- looking from a different height/angle. Longer arms so your
co-ordinations going to be out for a while. Oh yeah and your balance'll be
for shit for a bit while you learn to compensate. I had a balance aug.
fitted at the same time to take care of this. Plus the height this as well.
None of your clothes fit now, any vehicles you modified ro drive, you can't.
And for months afterward my PC was cracking his head against low ceilings
that he used to be able to walk right under but had to stoop for now.

Hope that helps and gives some ideas.
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Message no. 4
From: Josh a320@*********.com
Subject: dwarf anatomy
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 07:30:41 -0600
> Simon and Fiona wrote:
>
> >It says in the rules that dwarfs have fairly normal sized torsos, just
> >shourt arms and legs. So, if a dwarf got human sized cyberlimbs, he'd
>have
> >all the benefits of dwarfdom and no social negatives, right?
> >I personally see dwarfs as human scale but broader.


The thing to remember is that sure it might give you some advantages in the
game play but your character also has a life of it's own and things that you
do to them will have effects on everything. See I'm a dick and I don't
mention that to my players :P
Message no. 5
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: dwarf anatomy
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:46:05 -0000
>From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>It says in the rules that dwarfs have fairly normal sized torsos, just
>shourt arms and legs. So, if a dwarf got human sized cyberlimbs, he'd have
>all the benefits of dwarfdom and no social negatives, right?
>I personally see dwarfs as human scale but broader.

Sounds kind of munchy to me. I think of dwarfs as being more squat
physically than a human; they are more chunky. And their ears are pointed
(but not as pronounced as an elf's). OTOH, it does sound quite an
interesting idea and on a first glance I'm sure a dwarf with human cyberlegs
could pass as a broad-chested human.

Phil

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Message no. 6
From: GSW13 darklordsatin@*******.com
Subject: dwarf anatomy
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 23:26:48 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
To: "Shadowrn" <shadowrn@*********.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 08:57 PM
Subject: dwarf anatomy


> It says in the rules that dwarfs have fairly normal sized torsos, just
> shourt arms and legs. So, if a dwarf got human sized cyberlimbs, he'd have
> all the benefits of dwarfdom and no social negatives, right?
> I personally see dwarfs as human scale but broader.
>

Personally I say what the hell. If they want to spend the money and essence
to get four cyberlimbs then power to them.

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Message no. 7
From: Chipeloi chipeloi@***.nl
Subject: dwarf anatomy
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:39:18 +0100
In the asylum, Simon and Fiona whispered in the corridors:

> It says in the rules that dwarfs have fairly normal sized torsos, just
> shourt arms and legs. So, if a dwarf got human sized cyberlimbs, he'd
> have all the benefits of dwarfdom and no social negatives, right? I
> personally see dwarfs as human scale but broader.
>

That is an orc - human sized but broader

dwarfs are smaller than humans




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Message no. 8
From: Simon and Fiona sfuller@******.com.au
Subject: dwarf anatomy
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:21:23 +1100
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Smith <phil_urbanhell@*******.com>
To: shadowrn@*********.com <shadowrn@*********.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: dwarf anatomy


>>From: "Simon and Fiona" <sfuller@******.com.au>
>>It says in the rules that dwarfs have fairly normal sized torsos, just
>>shourt arms and legs. So, if a dwarf got human sized cyberlimbs, he'd have
>>all the benefits of dwarfdom and no social negatives, right?
>>I personally see dwarfs as human scale but broader.
>
>Sounds kind of munchy to me. I think of dwarfs as being more squat
>physically than a human; they are more chunky.

That's what I mean. Imagine someone with a human-size torso and tiny little
legs that are less than a foot long, which they'd have to be to come in at
the right height (1.2 m). It just doesn't work for me. There'd be balance
issues, a definite negative reach modifier, the dwarf wouldn't be able to
link his hands above his head, running and walking would be a hell of a lot
slower, forget about riding a motorbike since his legs would barely reach
past the seat, and there's be all sorts of problems if a male dwarf walked
in long grass with no trousers on, which he'd have to do because he wouldn't
be able to reach his waist to pull them up.
I'm not sure what the writers were thinking here, possibly they wanted to
differentiate them from midgets, though instead they left them resembling
thalidomide victims. I think it's best to ignore this and stick with the
traditional dwarfish stature. Which wouldn't prevent you from fitting human
size limbs on a dwarf, but damn he'd be weird looking.

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