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Message no. 1
From: azanyun@****.com (Asher S Rosenberg)
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:56:17 PST
On Sat, 21 Sep 1996 02:31:30 -0500 (EST) bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A.
Tinner) writes:
>>BTW a quick question, are the only known spike babies elven? I might
buy
>>them not being ork or troll because these meta-types usually express
>>when magic returns, but couldn't they possibly be dwarven since
they're
>>"born" as their meta-type the same as elves.
>
>The way I always figured it, Dwarf spike babies have always existed.
>They never really went away - just lost their racial abilities when
>the magic faded.
>We still have people with their rough physical description today.
>Dwarfism was construed as a physical condition in the 20th century,
>when in fact, it was just a natural expression of a metatype.
>
>When the magic returned, those dwarves would regain their vision,
>extra muscle mass, extensive hair growth, et al.

I tried using a similar argument with Loki a few months ago, but he still
wouldn't let me bring that Spike Baby - Dwarven Physad into the group.

He kept muttering something about Munchkins. How was I supposed to know
he was prejudiced against short people? :)
Message no. 2
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:42:08 -0500 (EST)
>He kept muttering something about Munchkins. How was I supposed to know
>he was prejudiced against short people? :)
>
>
>
<in a high pitched, singsongy voice>

Ohhhh, we represent, the lollipop guild, the lollipop guild, the lollipop
guild....

<ducks to avoid the thwap that's coming...>


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Message no. 3
From: Rookie <rookie@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:31:14 -0700
>I tried using a similar argument with Loki a few months ago, but he still
>wouldn't let me bring that Spike Baby - Dwarven Physad into the group.
>
>He kept muttering something about Munchkins. How was I supposed to know
>he was prejudiced against short people? :)
>

Asher he wouldn't let you bring one in because how can you possible explain
a Spike baby with very low skills. Plus all the spike baby's were rounded up
by I think Sean Laverty one of the Tir Tairngire High Princes.

-Rookie
rookie@*******.com
55464@**.ev.maricopa.edu
Web Page: http://www.netzone.com/~rookie

"And if it comes. The Living will envy the Dead!"
Message no. 4
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:20:22 -0500 (EST)
>>I tried using a similar argument with Loki a few months ago, but he still
>>wouldn't let me bring that Spike Baby - Dwarven Physad into the group.
>>
>>He kept muttering something about Munchkins. How was I supposed to know
>>he was prejudiced against short people? :)
>>
>
>Asher he wouldn't let you bring one in because how can you possible explain
>a Spike baby with very low skills. Plus all the spike baby's were rounded up
>by I think Sean Laverty one of the Tir Tairngire High Princes.
>
>
Ok, a couple thoughts on my part...

First off, it depends on how old a spike baby he was... I remember reading
somewhere that in the late twentieth century (i.e. now) there were a lot of
spike babies born, compared to the norm, due to the slow rise in magic. It
wasn't full blown yet, but possibly some of the Meta genes are more
sensitive, which explains the spike babies. And trust me on this one, I
know of mopre than a few 50-60 year old men with very few skills, and what
they have are nothing to brag about. Maybe he's just a slow learner, or
he's had other things to do.

As for Laverty, well, he gathered up the ones he could find...:)



"Yeah, Bull. I need dome help doing a job for the Benefactor."
"Who's that, White?"
"He's a guy I know. Ummm, let's just say he's a good assasin."
"Kyle?!?!? Oh F@&K! <click>"


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# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
# chaos@*****.com #
# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
#######################################################

"You do more damage out of simple irritation than most
men can do in a towering rage."
-David Eddings, "Demon Lord of Karanda
Message no. 5
From: Rookie <rookie@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:21:03 -0700
> Ok, a couple thoughts on my part...
>
> First off, it depends on how old a spike baby he was... I remember reading
> somewhere that in the late twentieth century (i.e. now) there were a lot of
> spike babies born, compared to the norm, due to the slow rise in magic. It
> wasn't full blown yet, but possibly some of the Meta genes are more
> sensitive, which explains the spike babies. And trust me on this one, I
> know of mopre than a few 50-60 year old men with very few skills, and what
> they have are nothing to brag about. Maybe he's just a slow learner, or
> he's had other things to do.
>

True but there aren't supposed to be alot of them. Thats the point there
rare really rare.

> As for Laverty, well, he gathered up the ones he could find...:)
>

As for Laverty I think he had enough power to find all the "Special
Children" out there.

-Rookie

--
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Message no. 6
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:42:30 -0500 (EST)
>True but there aren't supposed to be alot of them. Thats the point there
>rare really rare.
>

Oh, I agree. They would definately be rare, but my point was more that the
Ccharacters that a player plays are a rare breed too. Ah well, that was
just my opinion. Every GM does it a bit different.

>> As for Laverty, well, he gathered up the ones he could find...:)
>>
>
>As for Laverty I think he had enough power to find all the "Special
>Children" out there.
>

Same thing here... I would think that he could have missed a few, but...
That's ok...:)


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# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
# chaos@*****.com #
# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
#######################################################

"You do more damage out of simple irritation than most
men can do in a towering rage."
-David Eddings, "Demon Lord of Karanda
Message no. 7
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:16:28 -0700
Asher S Rosenberg wrote:
>
> On Sat, 21 Sep 1996 02:31:30 -0500 (EST) bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A.
> Tinner) writes:
> >>BTW a quick question, are the only known spike babies elven? I might
> buy
> >>them not being ork or troll because these meta-types usually express
> >>when magic returns, but couldn't they possibly be dwarven since
> they're
> >>"born" as their meta-type the same as elves.
> >
> >The way I always figured it, Dwarf spike babies have always existed.
> >They never really went away - just lost their racial abilities when
> >the magic faded.
> >We still have people with their rough physical description today.
> >Dwarfism was construed as a physical condition in the 20th century,
> >when in fact, it was just a natural expression of a metatype.
> >
> >When the magic returned, those dwarves would regain their vision,
> >extra muscle mass, extensive hair growth, et al.
>
> I tried using a similar argument with Loki a few months ago, but he still
> wouldn't let me bring that Spike Baby - Dwarven Physad into the group.

It wasn't that I said YOU couldn't play one, I ruled no PC can be a
spike baby because of too much behind the scenes politics and baggage
they'd be bringing with them.

> He kept muttering something about Munchkins. How was I supposed to know
> he was prejudiced against short people? :)

Nothing against the wee folk. You never had a chance to meet my all
halfling NPC shadowrunner team called "Compact Solutions". But
Munchkin's (not to be confused with the critter in PAoNA) ain't small
folk, they're a hideous player class somewhat skin to the Horrors...

@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

*********************************************
Poisoned Elves
http://www.netzone.com/~loki/
*********************************************
Message no. 8
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:39:15 -0500 (EST)
>>Nothing against the wee folk. You never had a chance to meet my all
>halfling NPC shadowrunner team called "Compact Solutions". But
>Munchkin's (not to be confused with the critter in PAoNA) ain't small
>folk, they're a hideous player class somewhat skin to the Horrors...
>
> @>-,--'--- Loki
>
I'm more familiar with that class than I wwish I was...


#######################################################
# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
# chaos@*****.com #
# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
#######################################################

"You do more damage out of simple irritation than most
men can do in a towering rage."
-David Eddings, "Demon Lord of Karanda
Message no. 9
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:37:21 -0700
Rookie wrote:
>
> >I tried using a similar argument with Loki a few months ago, but he still
> >wouldn't let me bring that Spike Baby - Dwarven Physad into the group.
> >
> >He kept muttering something about Munchkins. How was I supposed to know
> >he was prejudiced against short people? :)
> >
>
> Asher he wouldn't let you bring one in because how can you possible explain
> a Spike baby with very low skills. Plus all the spike baby's were rounded up
> by I think Sean Laverty one of the Tir Tairngire High Princes.
>
> -Rookie

Actually as I've stated earlier I just have a ruling of no PC spike
babies. Spike babies are mainly a GM's NPC tool or plot utility. Simple
as that.

@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

*********************************************
Poisoned Elves
http://www.netzone.com/~loki/
*********************************************
Message no. 10
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:02:16 -0500 (EST)
>> As for Laverty, well, he gathered up the ones he could find...:)
>>
>As for Laverty I think he had enough power to find all the "Special
>Children" out there.

I don't think Laverty is that powerful. Besides, whoever said Laverty would
even be interested in Dwarf or other SB's besides elves?


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Message no. 11
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:08:21 -0500 (EST)
>But Munchkin's (not to be confused with the critter in PAoNA) ain't small
>folk, they're a hideous player class somewhat akin to the Horrors...

If you're allowing Horrors as a player class then you really have a munchkin
problem!
<kidding, kidding :-)>

The again . . . that could be interesting . . .


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"Great! Then there's no way he can avoid the grenade I throw at him!"
Message no. 12
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: Dwarven Spike babies WAS Re: [SR2] Who' Who In SRII
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:10:35 -0500 (EST)
>>But Munchkin's (not to be confused with the critter in PAoNA) ain't small
>>folk, they're a hideous player class somewhat akin to the Horrors...
>
>If you're allowing Horrors as a player class then you really have a munchkin
>problem!
><kidding, kidding :-)>
>
>The again . . . that could be interesting . . .
>
>
>
Ummmmm, NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! :)


#######################################################
# -Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich #
# chaos@*****.com #
# Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours? #
#######################################################

"You do more damage out of simple irritation than most
men can do in a towering rage."
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