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Message no. 1
From: Michael Omillian <mcomilli@***.EDU>
Subject: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 18:42:06 EST
Does it matter if Earthdawn or Shadowrun are supposed to be linked?
There are eons apart! Anyway does it even matter. I don't think so. If FASA
wants to link them together let them. So what if there are similarities
AD&D has the same races. Such as orcs, dwarves, elves, and humans. By the way
I like AD&D, and if it wasn't for D&D there wouldn't be shadowrun. And
does it matter if cyperpunk and shadowrun are related. Again I don't think
so. If you enjoy playing it why bother comparing the two together. Also in
conclussion I'm the GM for my groups and NOBODY I know has lasted over
three hundred runs.(what fatality do you play on? If you can't run with the
big dogs go play with the pups.) How much karma do you get?(if you can save up fifty
points I think somethings WRONG.
Message no. 2
From: Mark Imbriaco <mai@**.ODU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 21:36:15 -0500
On Wed, 3 Nov 1993, Michael Omillian wrote:

[nuked some stuff]

> I like AD&D, and if it wasn't for D&D there wouldn't be shadowrun. And
> does it matter if cyperpunk and shadowrun are related. Again I don't think

Huh? You think TSR and AD&D made up the Elves, dwarves, orks,
and other stuff? No way... SR could have been made without
AD&D have ever being created quite easily. Not knocking AD&D,
BTW, because I am still kinda partial to it myself..

[more stuff nuked ;) ]
Message no. 3
From: The Outsider <DHEIN@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 22:20:34 EST
> Does it matter if Earthdawn or Shadowrun are supposed to be linked?
> There are eons apart! Anyway does it even matter. I don't think so. If FASA
> wants to link them together let them. So what if there are similarities
> AD&D has the same races. Such as orcs, dwarves, elves, and humans. the way

Because finding relationships like these is a lot of fun. Besides, if
the two are linked, it would imply that sometime in the future, the
world of Shadowrun will face another scourge. Personally, I think the
people of earth could kick the Horrors' collective asses this time
around. Even Chantrel's Horror couldn't take a nuke!


The
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Message no. 4
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 22:04:48 GMT
> Does it matter if Earthdawn or Shadowrun are supposed to be linked?
>There are eons apart! Anyway does it even matter. I don't think so. If FASA
>wants to link them together let them.

FASA *does* seem intent on linking them; that's why people get so excited when
they think they see a "clue". But you're right, it doesn't matter; none of
these "hints" are going to mean anything until FASA publishes a sourcebook
or two that definitely links them.

>conclussion I'm the GM for my groups and NOBODY I know has lasted over
>three hundred runs.(what fatality do you play on? If you can't run with the
>big dogs go play with the pups.) How much karma do you get?(if you can save up fifty
points I think somethings WRONG.

You actually keep track of things like that? WHY?
If you can't save up 50 karma how do you pay for an Ally? I think a friend of
mine designed an Ally that cost between 30-40 Karma. That's one of the things
karma's for.


J Roberson
Message no. 5
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 22:10:00 GMT
> Huh? You think TSR and AD&D made up the Elves, dwarves, orks,
> and other stuff? No way... SR could have been made without
> AD&D have ever being created quite easily. Not knocking AD&D,
> BTW, because I am still kinda partial to it myself..

I believe he was referring to the geneology of role-playing games, with the
original Dungeons & Dragons and subsequent AD&D being among the first games
published.

J Roberson
Message no. 6
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 02:24:06 GMT
>Personally, I think the
>people of earth could kick the Horrors' collective asses this time
>around. Even Chantrel's Horror couldn't take a nuke!

This man has obviously never played Cthulhu.

I know nothing, nor do I care to know anything about Earthdawn. However,
why couldn't Nighomnipotent being X cast Transmute ___ to ___ and avoid
getting hit? Like:
Transmute Hydrogen to Oxygen/Lead/Pez
Transmute Plutonium (admittedly a highly processed material) to
Silly Putty?

Or how about:
Radiation Barrier 6
Going completely Astral and going very far away.
Transmute Rocket to Barney (and terroize the WORLD!!!)

One of the lessons of the NAN-US conflict was: Magic balances out nukes.


J Roberson
Message no. 7
From: Paolo Marcucci <marcucci@***.TS.ASTRO.IT>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn? (fwd)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 14:37:08 MET
>
> > Does it matter if Earthdawn or Shadowrun are supposed to be linked?
> > There are eons apart! Anyway does it even matter. I don't think so. If FASA
> > wants to link them together let them. So what if there are similarities
> > AD&D has the same races. Such as orcs, dwarves, elves, and humans. the
way
>
> Because finding relationships like these is a lot of fun. Besides, if
> the two are linked, it would imply that sometime in the future, the
> world of Shadowrun will face another scourge. Personally, I think the
> people of earth could kick the Horrors' collective asses this time
> around. Even Chantrel's Horror couldn't take a nuke!
>
>
> The
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I LOVE this attitude :)

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Message no. 8
From: Todd Montgomery <tmont@****.WVU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 09:29:03 -0500
> Because finding relationships like these is a lot of fun. Besides, if
> the two are linked, it would imply that sometime in the future, the
> world of Shadowrun will face another scourge. Personally, I think the
> people of earth could kick the Horrors' collective asses this time
> around. Even Chantrel's Horror couldn't take a nuke!

But Vjergorth(sp ?) could.

-- Quiktek
-- Todd Montgomery
tmont@****.wvu.edu
tmont@***.wvu.edu
un032507@*******.wvnet.edu
Message no. 9
From: The Outsider <DHEIN@******.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 13:01:29 EST
>
> But Vjergorth(sp ?) could.
>
I know. That's why I didn't mention him ( Verjigorm, that is)


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Message no. 10
From: "TK Computer Consultations." <JEK5313@****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 12:44:20 -0600
From: Michael Omillian <mcomilli@***.EDU>

] Does it matter if Earthdawn or Shadowrun are supposed to be linked?
]There are eons apart! Anyway does it even matter. I don't think so. If FASA
]wants to link them together let them. So what if there are similarities
]AD&D has the same races. Such as orcs, dwarves, elves, and humans. By the way
]I like AD&D, and if it wasn't for D&D there wouldn't be shadowrun. And
]does it matter if cyperpunk and shadowrun are related. Again I don't think

Hoi!! Yes, most emphatically, it DOES matter!!!!! While AD&D (bless me for I
have spoken the name) may have the same races as Shadowrun, it is not in the
same genre, timeline, or ideology. EarthDawn, while not the same
technologically, IS the same in these respects.

Besides, ever heard of the Elves? Dragons?? How about the schism between Tir
and Na nOg?? How about Crater Lake, Darktooth, Tse'telenestia, chal'han,
Vestrial, the Tir-Aztech schism, idealogical differences between the Tirs, and
any number of other things that I could name. Not only are these things
related to the game we all know and love, but they are the DETERMINERS of its
future, both in this world and that. These are the clue that FASA has given
us; how we use them is our business.

Lastly, you were awfully condescending in that last post. You might want to
watch that. Nasty things happen to those who are just plain nasty. . .

--Flare <NULLSIG COURTESY OF DOOM>

Dark Thought Publications & Doom Technologies, Inc.
>>> Working on solutions best left in the dark.
Message no. 11
From: The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Earthdawn\shadowrn?
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 17:09:35 GMT
>Hoi!! Yes, most emphatically, it DOES matter!!!!! While AD&D (bless me for I
>have spoken the name) may have the same races as Shadowrun, it is not in the

Ah, but AD&D is fast becoming another games system, with various campaign
settings. The PH gives references for tailoring a campaign to Ancient, Dark
Age, or Early Modern European campaigns, and TSR's innumerable sourcebooks
are beginning to catch up with GURPS fantasy-genre books and historical
lexicons.

>any number of other things that I could name. Not only are these things
>related to the game we all know and love, but they are the DETERMINERS of its
>future, both in this world and that. These are the clue that FASA has given
>us; how we use them is our business.

But Flare, wouldn't FASA be a bit more explicit in describing the effects of
ED history upon Shadowrun. If I played only Shadowrun, I would hope that any
changes were published as Shadowrun material. Trying to anticipate is just
a ghuessing game; a fun one, to be sure, but not a neccesary component of
the Shadowrun Experince (See D-zahn play guiter with his teeth :)

J Roberson

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