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Message no. 1
From: NEWSHADOW@***.com NEWSHADOW@***.com
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:57:36 EST
What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.

NewShadow
Message no. 2
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 17:06:04 -0700
At 18:57 3/8/99 -0500, NEWSHADOW@***.com wrote:
>What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.

It's a newsgroup. You'll need a newsreader (Netscape comes with one, but I
recommend Free Agent from www.forteinc.com), and the address of a news server.

Wait, you're from AOL. You have news reading facilities built into your
software, I think..

-Adam J
< http://shadowrun.html.com/tss / adamj@*********.html.com / ICQ# 2350330 >
Message no. 3
From: Robert Watkins robert.watkins@******.com
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:19:31 +1000
NewShadow writes:
> What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.

It's a USENET newsgroup. You get "there" by using a newsreader. Contact AOL
tech support for instructions on how to configure a newsreader to work in
AOL.

--
.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 4
From: NEWSHADOW@***.com NEWSHADOW@***.com
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:44:40 EST
In a message dated 3/8/99 4:23:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
adamj@*********.html.com writes:

> It's a newsgroup. You'll need a newsreader (Netscape comes with one, but I
> recommend Free Agent from www.forteinc.com), and the address of a news
> server.
>
> Wait, you're from AOL. You have news reading facilities built into your
> software, I think..
>

Thanks for the help.

NewShadow
Message no. 5
From: Damian Robinson max.robinson@**.net.au
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 14:52:25 +1000
NEWSHADOW@***.com wrote:
>
> What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.
>
> NewShadow

its a news group.
I'd tell you how to get there, but it depends on your mail program.
find you mail prog, and subscribe to that group.
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Message no. 6
From: NEWSHADOW@***.com NEWSHADOW@***.com
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 02:13:43 EST
In a message dated 3/8/99 8:52:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
max.robinson@**.net.au writes:

> its a news group.
> I'd tell you how to get there, but it depends on your mail program.
> find you mail prog, and subscribe to that group.

AOL has it's own program. All I had to do was enter the name of the group and
it signed me up. Thanks everyone for the help.

NewShadow
Message no. 7
From: GMPax@***.com GMPax@***.com
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 02:26:26 EST
In a message dated 3/8/99 7:23:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
adamj@*********.html.com writes:

> Wait, you're from AOL. You have news reading facilities built into your
> software, I think..

Yuppers.

Specifically, the fellow needs to explore KEYWORD: Newsgroups (I suggest
making a link to it in your favorite places, it's easier than retyping that
keyword EVERY time ya read the NG's :-).

AOL doesn't get all of the NG's out there though. Some og the SFF groups
(computer-game related) are unavailable. :-(

Sean
GM Pax
Message no. 8
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 15:25:34 -0500
Damian Robinson wrote:
> > What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.
>
> its a news group.
>
So far, so good...

> I'd tell you how to get there, but it depends on your mail program.
>
Huh? That's like saying that exploring the contents of your filesystem
depends on your web browser. Sounds familiar somehow... ;-)

> find you mail prog, and subscribe to that group.
>
Specifically, you need a *news* reader (ie something that understands
NNTP). Several mailers *do* double as news readers (PINE, NS, etc),
but they're two separate things.

James Ojaste
Message no. 9
From: Wyldwolf otaku@*******.net
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:57:18 -0600
>Damian Robinson wrote:
>> > What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.
>>
>> its a news group.
>>
<snip other's response's>

James,

I'd recommend checking your ISP's support webpage - that should
give you instructions for setting up most News readers - if it doesn't call
up their tech support and find out their News server name and then goto
http://support.airmail.net and follow our instructions there, using the
server name your tech support gave you.

After that just download the groups list (time will vary on connection
speed and how many groups your server carries), and subscribe to the newsgroup.

--
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Message no. 10
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:05:19 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Ojaste,James [NCR] hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Damian Robinson wrote:
|> > What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.
|>
|> its a news group.
|>
|So far, so good...
|
|> I'd tell you how to get there, but it depends on your mail program.
|>
|Huh? That's like saying that exploring the contents of your filesystem
|depends on your web browser. Sounds familiar somehow... ;-)

He means your News program.
I use TIN. Some people use PINE (which acts as both e-mail and news).

Some idiots use netscape or Internet explorer. (which are web browsers
first, and news/e-mail programs far, FAR crappier than a REAL one).

If you're using Linux/Unix, I recommend TIN.
If you're using Windross, a lot of people recommend Free Agent.
(Which, suprisingly, is free)

|> find you mail prog, and subscribe to that group.
|>
|Specifically, you need a *news* reader (ie something that understands
|NNTP). Several mailers *do* double as news readers (PINE, NS, etc),
|but they're two separate things.

NO! NONONONONO! NOT NETSCAPE! Netscape is NOT a newsreader!!!!!
NO!

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Message no. 11
From: chimerae@***.ie chimerae@***.ie
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 11:11:10 +0000
and thus did A Halliwell speak on 12 Mar 99 at 15:05:

[snip]
> Some idiots use netscape or Internet explorer. (which are web browsers
> first, and news/e-mail programs far, FAR crappier than a REAL one).

Okay, could you please stop making judgements of people who use
something else than what /you/ consider to be good. If you don't like
the Netscape Newsreader, fine.
But stop calling people idiots if they:

- Don't use Unix, Linux, or anything that's not MS
- Don't use the software you consider to be the best
- Do not know everything about webpages, but give it a try anyway
(I'm bound to find more if I search somewhat longer, but this will do
for now).

> NO! NONONONONO! NOT NETSCAPE! Netscape is NOT a newsreader!!!!!
> NO!

It gets the news and then you can read it. Looks like a newsreader to
me allright. You don't like it, tough, but it is a newsreader and
it functions quite nicely as long as you're not a power user.

Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 12
From: Iridios iridios@*********.com
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:51:48 -0500
chimerae@***.ie wrote:
>
> and thus did A Halliwell speak on 12 Mar 99 at 15:05:
>
> [snip]
> > Some idiots use netscape or Internet explorer. (which are web browsers
> > first, and news/e-mail programs far, FAR crappier than a REAL one).
>
> Okay, could you please stop making judgements of people who use
> something else than what /you/ consider to be good. If you don't like
> the Netscape Newsreader, fine.
> But stop calling people idiots if they:
>
> - Don't use Unix, Linux, or anything that's not MS
> - Don't use the software you consider to be the best
> - Do not know everything about webpages, but give it a try anyway
> (I'm bound to find more if I search somewhat longer, but this will do
> for now).

I have to agree with Martin here. I use Netscape myself. Yes
Netscapes main program is a web browser (Netscape Navigator), but the
email program is separate (Netscape Messenger) even if it is similar
in appearance.

Saying it is just part of a web browser is a little like saying MS
Excel is just part of MS Word because you get both of them in MS
Office.

>
> > NO! NONONONONO! NOT NETSCAPE! Netscape is NOT a newsreader!!!!!
> > NO!
>
> It gets the news and then you can read it. Looks like a newsreader to
> me allright. You don't like it, tough, but it is a newsreader and
> it functions quite nicely as long as you're not a power user.

And it's free to boot! :)


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Message no. 13
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:45:32 -0500
A. Halliwell wrote:
> |> > What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.
> |> I'd tell you how to get there, but it depends on your mail program.
> |>
> |Huh? That's like saying that exploring the contents of your filesystem
> |depends on your web browser. Sounds familiar somehow... ;-)
>
> He means your News program.
> I use TIN. Some people use PINE (which acts as both e-mail and news).
>
I prefer trn/mutt myself (though I'm itching to try out Balsa
eventually)...

> Some idiots use netscape or Internet explorer. (which are web browsers
> first, and news/e-mail programs far, FAR crappier than a REAL one).
>
Eh, they *work* - and they *are* a little more advanced (ie more
features) than xrn, though not quite as pleasant to work with.

> If you're using Linux/Unix, I recommend TIN.
> If you're using Windross, a lot of people recommend Free Agent.
> (Which, suprisingly, is free)
>
I'd recommend ditching usenet entirely. I dropped out of usenet
several years ago; when the only spam was the fall crop of students
and aolers asking "How do I post news?", it was passable, but the
S/N skyrocketed and it wasn't worth the effort anymore.

James Ojaste
Message no. 14
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:54:30 -0500
Wyldwolf wrote:
[insert]
>James Ojaste wrote:
[/insert]
> >Damian Robinson wrote:
> >> > What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.
> >>
> >> its a news group.
> >>
> <snip other's response's>
> James,
> I'd recommend checking your ISP's support webpage - that should
>
I'd recommend checking your attributions - that "other poster" was *me*
(as in "James"). I know exactly what rgfc is, how to get there and what
to do there (and have done since 1992).

The original poster was NEWSHADOW@***.com. Just for the record. :-)

*sigh* I know I'm only half the age of some of the old fogeys on this
list but even *I* feel old when I realize that I was using the net
for a couple of years before the existence of the web (at which point
I shortly discarded it as there were so few pages that Mosaic's only
use to me was as a combined gopher/ftp program). :-/

James Ojaste
Message no. 15
From: NEWSHADOW@***.com NEWSHADOW@***.com
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:55:03 EST
In a message dated 3/15/99 12:39:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA writes:

> The original poster was NEWSHADOW@***.com. Just for the record. :-)
>

Yeah, I'm just surprised that the thread has lasted this long. Just for the
record, I found a newsgroup reader, there was one built in on aol, probably
not the most advanced, but I don't plan on living on the newsgroups, so that's
OK really. Again, thanks for the responses.

-NewShadow
Message no. 16
From: Wordman wordman@*******.com
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:25:27 -0500
>> >> NEWSHADOW@***.com wrote.
>> >> > What is, rec.games.frp.cyber? And how do I get there? Thanks.

Some good intros to using news can be found at:

http://www.islandnet.com/~tmc/html/articles/usentnws.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/6882/

The FAQ for rec.games.frp.cyber can be seen at
http://pobox.com/~wordman/rgfcFAQ.html, but it does not say much about how
to use news.

If you are using a Mac, my opinion is that MT-NewsWatcher is the best news
reader: http://www.best.com/~smfr/mtnw/. You're on you own if you use a
different OS.

James Ojaste wrote:
> *sigh* I know I'm only half the age of some of the old fogeys on this
> list but even *I* feel old when I realize that I was using the net
> for a couple of years before the existence of the web

As an old fogey, I can say that using the net before the advent of SLIP
(much less PPP) is an experience best forgotten.

Wordman
Message no. 17
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:04:05 -0500
Wordman wrote:
> James Ojaste wrote:
> > *sigh* I know I'm only half the age of some of the old fogeys on this
> > list but even *I* feel old when I realize that I was using the net
> > for a couple of years before the existence of the web
>
> As an old fogey, I can say that using the net before the advent of SLIP
> (much less PPP) is an experience best forgotten.
>
What? You didn't like mucking around with term? Telnet + screen not
good enough for you? ;-)

Luckily for me, the U of Waterloo had dozens of xterms on ethernet;
seeing as I lived on-campus, I didn't have any real incentive to use a
dial-up...

James Ojaste
Message no. 18
From: Ryan W. Bolduan emeottrw@***.umn.edu
Subject: Easy Question
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:14:32 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote:

> Wordman wrote:
> > James Ojaste wrote:
> > > *sigh* I know I'm only half the age of some of the old fogeys on this
> > > list but even *I* feel old when I realize that I was using the net
> > > for a couple of years before the existence of the web
> >
> > As an old fogey, I can say that using the net before the advent of SLIP
> > (much less PPP) is an experience best forgotten.
> >
> What? You didn't like mucking around with term? Telnet + screen not
> good enough for you? ;-)
>
> Luckily for me, the U of Waterloo had dozens of xterms on ethernet;
> seeing as I lived on-campus, I didn't have any real incentive to use a
> dial-up...
>
> James Ojaste

Oh come now, some of my best memories are with the old BBSes I had to dial
in directly to (and only one person at a time mind you). I do have to
admit though, it kind of makes me feel old when you fill out the internet
surveys and have to make a check in the five+ years of internet experience
box. But you know what? I still use pine and tin regularly, and unless
I know exactly what I'm looking for, and it's either secure or graphically
based, I still like to use Lynx just because it's several hundred times
faster than slogging through graphic after graphic on Netscape.

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http://cda.mrs.umn.edu/~emeottrw

A person concerned with such important matters as I, need not, and should
not, attend to spelling.
--Napolean
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