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Message no. 1
From: Rafael Vega fliavega@***.net.co
Subject: ECM, ECCM and Electronic Warfare.
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:18:02 -0500
And yet another (set of) question(s).

Rigger 2 states that the way ECM and ECCM interact when interfering with
sensors and remote control networks is totally different.
Yet, in SR3 and in Rigger 2 gear tables there is only one kind of ECCM
described and listed, the remote control ECCM, and there is no price
anywhere for any kind of ECM.
Also, in SR3 in the street gear chapter, there is a description and a price
and availability table for a device called a jammer, they say a jammer is a
device for destroying broadcasted comunications filling them with "garbage".
Can this Jammer be used as remote control or sensor ECM???
Where are the prices and availability for this king of gear???





From karsten
Message no. 2
From: Rafael Vega fliavega@***.net.co
Subject: ECM, ECCM and Electronic Warfare.
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:11:06 -0500
And yet another (set of) question(s).

Rigger 2 states that the way ECM and ECCM interact when interfering with
sensors and remote control networks is totally different.
Yet, in SR3 and in Rigger 2 gear tables there is only one kind of ECCM
described and listed, the remote control ECCM, and there is no price
anywhere for any kind of ECM.
Also, in SR3 in the street gear chapter, there is a description and a price
and availability table for a device called a jammer, they say a jammer is a
device for destroying broadcasted comunications filling them with "garbage".
Can this Jammer be used as remote control or sensor ECM???
Where are the prices and availability for this king of gear???






From jarmo.karonen@***.fi Tue, 8 Jun 19
Message no. 3
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: ECM, ECCM and Electronic Warfare.
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:41:30 -0500
On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 12:11:06 -0500 "Rafael Vega" <fliavega@***.net.co>
writes:
>And yet another (set of) question(s).
>
>Rigger 2 states that the way ECM and ECCM interact when interfering with
>sensors and remote control networks is totally different.
>Yet, in SR3 and in Rigger 2 gear tables there is only one kind of ECCM
>described and listed, the remote control ECCM, and there is no price
>anywhere for any kind of ECM.

This isn't seperate gear ... it's just that ECM and ECCM RULES are
different depending on the situation. To protect sensors and drones, buy
the ECCM on pages 137-138 of R2. To protect RC decks, buy RC ECCM on
page 96-98 of R2. Note in a RC system you'll need to protect the RC deck
to prevent jamming of recieved signals from drones and protect the drones
to prevent jamming of recieved signals from the deck. Just protecting
the deck or the drones insn't enough.

>Also, in SR3 in the street gear chapter, there is a description and a
price
>and availability table for a device called a jammer, they say a jammer
is a
>device for destroying broadcasted comunications filling them with
"garbage".
>Can this Jammer be used as remote control or sensor ECM???

If you are referring to the first sentance under ECCM on page 289 of SR3
(Which I can't tell because you didn't give a page number!), Jammer ECM.

>Where are the prices and availability for this king of gear???

ECM is only given (in SR) to the best of my knowledge as a vehicle
accessory.

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel)
"Hello, my name is Stephen. This is Dick. He'll see if he has something
your size." -- Jug Ears

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From Paul@********.demon.co.uk Tue, 8 Jun 1999
Message no. 4
From: JonSzeto@***.com JonSzeto@***.com
Subject: ECM, ECCM and Electronic Warfare.
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:12:07 EDT
"Rafael Vega" <fliavega@***.net.co> wrote,

> Rigger 2 states that the way ECM and ECCM interact when interfering with
> sensors and remote control networks is totally different.
> Yet, in SR3 and in Rigger 2 gear tables there is only one kind of ECCM
> described and listed, the remote control ECCM, and there is no price
> anywhere for any kind of ECM.

ECCM for normal broadcast communications equipment (i.e., anything other
than a remote control deck, drone, or sensor system) are listed on p.
289 of SR3. ECCM for drones and sensor systems use the ECCM modification
in the vehicle construction rules in Rigger 2.

> Also, in SR3 in the street gear chapter, there is a description and a price
> and availability table for a device called a jammer, they say a jammer is a
> device for destroying broadcasted comunications filling them with
"garbage".
> Can this Jammer be used as remote control or sensor ECM???

IMHO no. The jammer originally in SR2 (which was later carried over to
SR3) only works against broadcast transmissions. To mess with remote
control or sensor ECM, you need the ECM vehicle mod in the construction
rules of Rigger 2.

(Also, if it were my game, I'd also rule that vehicle ECM only works
against one type or the other: either sensor or RC, not both. If you want
both,
get two ECM systems. Just my own personal opinion, not a correction or
change to anything I wrote.)

The reason for this is that the ordinary jammer is only attuned to those
bands apportioned for broadcast transmission and isn't wired to
sensor/RC bands, which are generally higher (RC) or lower (sensor) than
regular broadcast coms. (This is just a vague generality, so don't take
this as gospel.) Also, RC and sensors use different broadcast protocols,
so even *if* they could access those bands, the effects would be greatly
reduced or even ignored altogether.

(Of course, inventive gamemasters *could* come up with sensor-only or
RC-only jammers. The specifics I leave up to the individual --- who am I
to tell other people to be creative? : )

IMHO.

-- Jon




From Schizi@***.com Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:06:25 EDT
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 11:06:25 EDT
From: Schizi@***.com

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