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Message no. 1
From: David Goth <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: ED/SR Connections
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:04:02 -0500
>More or less the opposite of my first impression (gotten from one
> >of the first three ED flyers from 1993). I thought it appeared to
> >be closely linked to SR from the outset.
>
> If words truer than "You're mileage may vary" have been spoken, it's hard
> for me to think of what they might be.

Well, personally it seems odd to me that people who (A) don't like
Earthdawn...also, (B) deny the obvious connections within ED to SR
(according to 'canon').

Personally, I don't have the least bit of problem with anyone saying that in
their game ED has nothing to do with SR, or any level of connection that
they choose. People that don't even want to read ED don't need to. However,
if you HAVE, I find it hard to believe that 'you' could not see the obvious
connections listed within. There are numerous (well, at least two) web sites
that document exact pages, etc.

>
> Part of it could be prejudice on my part, too; my exposure to
> Earthdawn has
> basically not been all that remarkable; I don't think it's all
> that a whole
> bunch of people are cracking it up to be.

So it ain't "all that" for you. So what? Please don't take this personal,
but the links are obvious and visible. They have grown closer, and they will
grow farther apart (in the eyes of FASA or whomever). I just think that
people let their biases put their heads in the sand. (This is assuming the
'debate' is worthwhile in the long run.)


I don't think it's
> worth my time
> and effort to get involved with it any further than I already have, and I
> don't think it's at all necessary.

Great! <snicker> Just please refrain from (again, in general, not YOU
specifically) telling other people that they're wrong just because 'you'
don't want to think about it.

> >Me too, but OTOH I feel Mike is steering SR away too far from
> >what SR was until he took over...
>
> This might sound like a complete reversal of what I've said
> previously, but
> I tend to agree with you a little here. I think it's just a case of
> overcompensating; give it a little time and I think we'll start to see it
> getting back to normal. More or less.

Yep, time will tell. Besides SR3 isn't even out yet! :)

> Agreed, up to and including immortal elves (which are present in my game;
> they don't have anything to do with what the characters are doing, but
> they're there).

<grin> A very healthy view of IE's in a game.

> >But let's not turn this into a rant :)
>
> But you were doing so well there for a minute....

I may as well add an info/rant... One piece of undocumentable evidence I
have was a Gencon I went to 2 or 3 years ago. FASA was planning on a trilogy
that had two parts under the ED banner, with the conclusion under the SR
banner. (Obviously, this has been killed...)

-Dave-
xaos@*****.net
Message no. 2
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ED/SR Connections
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:14:50 EDT
In a message dated 8/4/98 1:12:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, xaos@*****.NET
writes:

> FASA was planning on a trilogy
> that had two parts under the ED banner, with the conclusion under the SR
> banner. (Obviously, this has been killed...)

Wasn't that supposed to be the Trilogy which started in SR with "Worlds with
Out End" and then was supposed to continue with the previous stories in Earth
Dawn?

-Bandit
Message no. 3
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: ED/SR Connections
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:20:34 -0500
>> If words truer than "You're mileage may vary" have been spoken, it's
hard
>> for me to think of what they might be.
>
>Well, personally it seems odd to me that people who (A) don't like
>Earthdawn...also, (B) deny the obvious connections within ED to SR
>(according to 'canon').

I don't deny it; it just didn't seem that obvious to me. I don't like it,
either.

>However, if you HAVE, I find it hard to believe that 'you' could not
>see the obvious connections listed within.

Well, I didn't; looking back now, I can see them, and I still don't like
them. Any more insults to my intelligence, or can we drop this now?

>There are numerous (well, at least two) web sites
>that document exact pages, etc.

David, I don't care if they have web pages that document how the Bible is a
precursor to ED or SR, quoting chapter and verse. I still don't think it's
a good idea.

---
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: ED/SR Connections
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:33:43 +0100
And verily, did David Goth hastily scribble thusly...
|I may as well add an info/rant... One piece of undocumentable evidence I
|have was a Gencon I went to 2 or 3 years ago. FASA was planning on a trilogy
|that had two parts under the ED banner, with the conclusion under the SR
|banner. (Obviously, this has been killed...)

Only partly. The shadowrun book did come out, but the prequals (ED) didn't.
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Message no. 5
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: ED/SR Connections
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:49:00 EDT
In a message dated 8/3/98 10:17:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ElBandit@***.COM
writes:

> > FASA was planning on a trilogy
> > that had two parts under the ED banner, with the conclusion under the SR
> > banner. (Obviously, this has been killed...)
>
> Wasn't that supposed to be the Trilogy which started in SR with "Worlds
with
> Out End" and then was supposed to continue with the previous stories in
> Earth
> Dawn?
Actually the ED novels were supposed to be first, then they changed the order,
then they removed all mention of the novels. Except for Lost Kaers ads, which
are all dated from the time the novel was supposed to be out (really wierd)
I heard that the 2 ED novels did come out in German. <shrug>

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