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Message no. 1
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: email programs was Re: Attitude (was: an inappropriate post)
Date: Wed Apr 17 23:55:01 2002
> you're kidding? What happens when you need to contact someone that
only
> receives plain text?
Not to be an ass but what program won't receive anything other than
plain text? I've been dealing with computers for most of my life (that
being 22 years so far) and have only run across one that only
***displayed*** messages as plain text and that was Eudora and that was
quite a while back, while it may very well still be like that it only
displays them as plain text and they still receive the message but would
see all of the HTML tags and things of that nature because that's what
happens when you open up an html file in notepad or any other plain text
editor....

Derek
Message no. 2
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Derek Hyde)
Subject: email programs was Re: Attitude (was: an inappropriate post)
Date: Thu Apr 18 00:05:01 2002
> not all mail programs run under windows or MacOS

are you implying you're using linux? Cause the standard mail reader in
BeOS handles html nicely and I dunno about OS/2 cause I've never had a
chance to mess with it

> manually trying to make sense of HTML written by Microsoft products is
> next
> to impossible

I'll agree with you there....they put way too much extra "drek" in there
that's unneeded
Message no. 3
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Luis Rojas)
Subject: email programs was Re: Attitude (was: an inappropriate post)
Date: Thu Apr 18 00:25:01 2002
> Not to be an ass but what program won't receive anything other than
> plain text? I've been dealing with computers for most of my life
(that
> being 22 years so far) and have only run across one that only
> ***displayed*** messages as plain text and that was Eudora and that
was
> quite a while back, while it may very well still be like that it
only

Precisely, Legacy system are still around, and you still have people
using shell accounts. And to include new systems. well i think that
SMS might be such a platform but what do i know after all the platform
converst the message to plaintext before sending it to the PCS. Also,
if you only have an Old computer you migh very well still be using
PegasusMail or some such.

> displays them as plain text and they still receive the message but
would
> see all of the HTML tags and things of that nature because that's
what
> happens when you open up an html file in notepad or any other plain
text
> editor....

True, but why hurt ppl in this list with that? if some of the ppl are
complaining about it, we as a comunity should try to acomodate all our
menbers. Yes, Yes, i am speaking out of order, this is my fourth post
in the list and is to meddle in hte affairs of otthers... Just my
ED$0.02

--------------------

PS: to all of you who took the time to answer my stupid question about
the matrix, thank you. I finally found i was in the wrong, you see. I
was conceptualizing as CyberPunk instead of ShadowRun, the main
diference in the 2 Networks is that the one in SR ( unless this
changed in 3E ) is rendered by the Client's Deck. So there is no
effort for the Server to Spend resources in how things will look. The
Icons of each one Surfing the DataSreams are provided by their
interface unit, kind of like ICQ icons. I could skin my ICQ but i will
be the only one to see it like that, i could use a custom icon and it
will be sent top all other clients (sort of ) so everyone will see my
icon. in Cyberpunk the Net works more like the web in the sense that
you can design a WebPage with the Aesthetics you want and if done
carefully ppl will see exactly what you want them to see but at the
expense in increased Storage, Memory and Bandwith Requirements on the
Server Side whileremaining ligjht on the Client Side. :-p

Bah, Rant at the end...

Later doods,
peace and love all over the earth..
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Dvixen)
Subject: email programs was Re: Attitude (was: an inappropriate post)
Date: Thu Apr 18 01:00:01 2002
[plain text making html tags and other fomattings visible.]
> True, but why hurt ppl in this list with that? if some of the ppl are
> complaining about it, we as a comunity should try to acomodate all our
> menbers. Yes, Yes, i am speaking out of order, this is my fourth post
> in the list and is to meddle in hte affairs of otthers... Just my
> ED$0.02

It's always been list policy to discourage posts made in the formatted
styles. Mistakes may happen, but for the majority, ShadowRN (and the other
dumpshock.com mailing lists) are all plain text lists.

-Dvixen
Gridsec FAQ and member beatings section.
Message no. 5
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Luis Rojas)
Subject: email programs was Re: Attitude (was: an inappropriate post)
Date: Thu Apr 18 01:35:02 2002
> [plain text making html tags and other fomattings visible.]
> > True, but why hurt ppl in this list with that? if some of the ppl
are
> > complaining about it, we as a comunity should try to acomodate all
our
> > menbers. Yes, Yes, i am speaking out of order, this is my fourth
post
> > in the list and is to meddle in hte affairs of otthers... Just my
> > ED$0.02
>
> It's always been list policy to discourage posts made in the
formatted
> styles. Mistakes may happen, but for the majority, ShadowRN (and the
other
> dumpshock.com mailing lists) are all plain text lists.
>

sorry if i was not clear... i was saying that we should write in plain
text.. :-)
Message no. 6
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: email programs was Re: Attitude (was: an inappropriate post)
Date: Thu Apr 18 06:16:01 2002
According to Derek Hyde, on Thu, 18 Apr 2002 the word on the street was...

> Not to be an ass but what program won't receive anything other than
> plain text? I've been dealing with computers for most of my life (that
> being 22 years so far) and have only run across one that only
> ***displayed*** messages as plain text and that was Eudora and that was
> quite a while back

Erm... you have heard of mailers such as ELM and PINE, right? While it's
true that most mailers these days support HTML, not all of them follow the
same standards (because there is none); not to mention some people switch
off that "feature" entirely.

> while it may very well still be like that it only
> displays them as plain text and they still receive the message but would
> see all of the HTML tags and things of that nature because that's what
> happens when you open up an html file in notepad or any other plain text
> editor....

And that is exactly the problem. If I receive an HTML-encoded message, it
looks like one of three things: 1) a plain text message with an attachment
that turns out to be the same message with (very poorly-formatted) HTML
tags in it, sometimes also with an image file attached for the background;
2) an HTML-only message in which I get to see all the tags and so have a
hard time reading the actual text; or 3) an empty message with one or more
(usually two) attachments, one or more of which will be the message in HTML
and/or plain text formats, plus stuff like background graphics.

All but number 1 are a pain in the ass to deal with, and I don't like #1
either because it wastes bandwidth, download time and disk space by
repeating the same message and including other unnecessary junk...

--
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Message no. 7
From: shadowrn@*********.com (Gurth)
Subject: email programs was Re: Attitude (was: an inappropriate post)
Date: Thu Apr 18 06:16:11 2002
According to Luis Rojas, on Thu, 18 Apr 2002 the word on the street was...

> True, but why hurt ppl in this list with that? if some of the ppl are
> complaining about it, we as a comunity should try to acomodate all our
> menbers.

I'd say that HTML wouldn't be a problem if it were a standard to which all
mailers conformed, and if people actually used its possibilities. But as
long as not all mailers support it, and hardly anyone seems to put formating
into their HTML messages anyway, then it's much better to cater to the
lowest common denominator: plain text.

> PS: to all of you who took the time to answer my stupid question about
> the matrix, thank you. I finally found i was in the wrong, you see. I
> was conceptualizing as CyberPunk instead of ShadowRun, the main
> diference in the 2 Networks is that the one in SR ( unless this
> changed in 3E ) is rendered by the Client's Deck. So there is no
> effort for the Server to Spend resources in how things will look. The
> Icons of each one Surfing the DataSreams are provided by their
> interface unit, kind of like ICQ icons.

That's not really true, though. Only if you have a reality filter will your
deck render the Matrix for you, like when you put a skin on your ICQ
client. Otherwise, it's the host that specifies to the deck how it (the
host) should appear -- how else could there be sculpted hosts, that look
different from the standard Matrix specifications?

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Dat is de kip voor het ei spannen.
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++@ UL+ P(+) L++ E W--(++) N o? K w(--) O
V? PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t@ 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D+ G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998

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