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Message no. 1
From: Brian Johnson <john0375@****.TC.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Enchanting improved by Initiation?
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:02:34 -0600
midn daniel o fred wrote:
> I always thought it
> weird that both sorcery and enchanting were improved by initiation


Could you clarify on that one? How is sorcery Directly improved by
inititation? The increase to magic pool? the astral pool? centering?

and Enchanting... how is that improved? Do you mean creating orichalcum?
which depends on magic, or enchanting in general. I guess I don't pay
much attention to the G2 enchanting rules, or I wouldn't ask this question.
Message no. 2
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Enchanting improved by Initiation?
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:13:09 -0500
> midn daniel o fred wrote:
> > I always thought it
> > weird that both sorcery and enchanting were improved by initiation
>
>
> Could you clarify on that one? How is sorcery Directly improved by
> inititation? The increase to magic pool? the astral pool? centering?
>
> and Enchanting... how is that improved? Do you mean creating orichalcum?
> which depends on magic, or enchanting in general. I guess I don't pay
> much attention to the G2 enchanting rules, or I wouldn't ask this question.
>
For sorcery, I mean increases in Magic Pool, shielding dice, increased
size of area effect spells, increased powerful spells possible without
physical damage, though as it has been pointed out, it is almost better
numberwise to take physical damage.

Enchanting has creating orichalcum mainly. There might be more...I don't
know.

Both sorcery and enchanting have increased effectiveness of centering vs
penalities.

Also basically all of the metamatic seems to be pointed towards sorcery.
Message no. 3
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Enchanting improved by Initiation?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 16:52:40 +0000
On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Midn Daniel O Fredrikson wrote:

> For sorcery, I mean increases in Magic Pool
Magic Pool? I agreed with the rest of the stuff about areas of effect and
shielding dice, but magic pool????

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"So that which I imagine, is that which I believe" -Rush
Shadowrun Web Site http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun.html
Message no. 4
From: Midn Daniel O Fredrikson <m992148@****.NAVY.MIL>
Subject: Re: Enchanting improved by Initiation?
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 17:55:42 -0500
>
> > For sorcery, I mean increases in Magic Pool
> Magic Pool? I agreed with the rest of the stuff about areas of effect and
> shielding dice, but magic pool????
>

hmm...you know, I was sure that initiation increased your magic pool, but
now looking through the literature, I can't find a reference. I know it
did in first edition, but magic pool was tied to magic rating then, not
sorcery... I have always played with that rule. Does anyone have a rule
or a reference for this??
Message no. 5
From: Brian Johnson <john0375@****.TC.UMN.EDU>
Subject: Re: Enchanting improved by Initiation?
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:08:31 -0600
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Midn Daniel O Fredrikson wrote:

> >
> > > For sorcery, I mean increases in Magic Pool
> > Magic Pool? I agreed with the rest of the stuff about areas of effect and
> > shielding dice, but magic pool????
> >
>
> sorcery... I have always played with that rule. Does anyone have a rule
> or a reference for this??


Would that be (Astral Pool= Grade)? Usable for anything while Astrally
percieving etc.
Message no. 6
From: Sanction <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Enchanting improved by Initiation?
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 18:56:42 -0500
At 05:55 PM 12/8/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> > For sorcery, I mean increases in Magic Pool
>> Magic Pool? I agreed with the rest of the stuff about areas of effect and
>> shielding dice, but magic pool????
>>
>
>hmm...you know, I was sure that initiation increased your magic pool, but
>now looking through the literature, I can't find a reference. I know it
>did in first edition, but magic pool was tied to magic rating then, not
>sorcery... I have always played with that rule. Does anyone have a rule
>or a reference for this??
>
I don't remember whether this was mentioned in the original post or not, but
the effect that initiation has on magic pool is that it allows more of the
dice to be used on the spell success test (the number is limited by magic
rating) -- makes that stun missile where drain is not a problem much more
effective.

Oh, here is a reason why it makes sense to increase sorcery skill in
conjunction with initiate grade -- that way simultaneously more dice can be
applied to spell success and also, more dice are available.

As far as I'm concerned, it is the limiting of magic pool use for spell
success test that is the main drawback of a low magic rating -- as people
have already said, from a number crunching standpoint physical drain is
easier to deal with because it causes the same penalties but can be cured
much more quickly.

--Sanction
Message no. 7
From: The Digital Mage <mn3rge@****.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Enchanting improved by Initiation?
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:22:47 +0000
On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Midn Daniel O Fredrikson wrote:

> > > For sorcery, I mean increases in Magic Pool
> > Magic Pool? I agreed with the rest of the stuff about areas of effect and
> > shielding dice, but magic pool????
>
> hmm...you know, I was sure that initiation increased your magic pool, but
> now looking through the literature, I can't find a reference. I know it
> did in first edition, but magic pool was tied to magic rating then, not
> sorcery...
Was it? I played 1st Ed and don't remember that being the case (but then
again I may have been brainwashed by 2nd Ed too long to remember :)

The Digital Mage : mn3rge@****.ac.uk
"So that which I imagine, is that which I believe" -Rush
Shadowrun Web Site http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mn3rge/Shadowrun.html
Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Enchanting improved by Initiation?
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 18:53:19 +0000
|
|On Sun, 8 Dec 1996, Midn Daniel O Fredrikson wrote:
|
|> > > For sorcery, I mean increases in Magic Pool
|> > Magic Pool? I agreed with the rest of the stuff about areas of effect and
|> > shielding dice, but magic pool????
|>
|> hmm...you know, I was sure that initiation increased your magic pool, but
|> now looking through the literature, I can't find a reference. I know it
|> did in first edition, but magic pool was tied to magic rating then, not
|> sorcery...

|Was it? I played 1st Ed and don't remember that being the case (but then
|again I may have been brainwashed by 2nd Ed too long to remember :)

Magic pool has *always* been based on sorcery skill....
Take it from a rabid 1stEdition supporter.....

I'm still sure that 2ndEd Astral pool is identical to it's 1stEd cousin
though.....
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