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Message no. 1
From: AlSeyMer <AdSM@******.BE>
Subject: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:35:07 +0200
One of my player, being short on nuyen, decided to purchase his enchantin=
g shop
partially, component by component.

I okayed that, ruling that it would cost him 25% more than the listed pri=
ce of
100.00¥.

My problem is that i don't have the slightest idea about what those compo=
nents
are, except for the obvious furnace/athanor.

So, if any of you had an idea about what's in an enchanting shop, i would=
be
most gratefull.

Thanks.


AlSeyMer
Message no. 2
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:53:12 -0300
AlSeyMer wrote:
>
> One of my player, being short on nuyen, decided to purchase his enchanting shop
> partially, component by component.
>
> I okayed that, ruling that it would cost him 25% more than the listed price of
> 100.00¥.
>
> My problem is that i don't have the slightest idea about what those components
> are, except for the obvious furnace/athanor.
>
> So, if any of you had an idea about what's in an enchanting shop, i would be
> most gratefull.
>
> Thanks.
>
> AlSeyMer


If you feel a little lazy, you can always make him buy a "percentage"
of
the shop... Say, since it will cost 125.000¥ overall, he can spend 10K
now, another
30K later, etc, until he has all the shop...

Bira
Message no. 3
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 02:06:54 EDT
In a message dated 8/12/1998 5:34:34 PM US Eastern Standard Time, AdSM@=
SKYNET.BE writes:

> One of my player, being short on nuyen, decided to purchase his enchant=
ing
> shop
> partially, component by component.

Oh boy, my advice is don't make it any harder on yourself or your player =
than you have to. By buying the shop "a piece at a time", and then try=
ing to define "which pieces" you have bought, you have earned yourself =
a lot of trouble.

> I okayed that, ruling that it would cost him 25% more than the listed =
price
> of
> 100.00¥.

Not a bad way of doing it, but then I would said street index would have =
been more than enough (usually a 2 for many magical things).

> My problem is that i don't have the slightest idea about what those
> components
> are, except for the obvious furnace/athanor.
>
> So, if any of you had an idea about what's in an enchanting shop, i wo=
uld be
> most gratefull.

An Enchanter's Shop...hmmm....exact details would be kind of crazy. I ha=
ve always pictured it as a combination of alembics workplace and a chem=
ists oversized toybox. A furnace (athanor, now there is a word I haven=
't heard in ages) that would be suitable for small quantity smelting or=
metallurgical work. Glassblowing might also be considered, especially=
if the character gets' into heavy details.

Lots of paint-pots, small jars that have various mixtures within them, ra=
w materials to be used in the refinement process, but not actually requ=
ired materials for the refinement/radicalization processes.

Perhaps some magnifying lenses, or even a microscope (non-electronic), =
especially if the enchanter has a desire to work / enchant some really sm=
all things (like the links in somebody's denture work, or even VERY det=
ailed engraving that might be required for equally detailed enchantment=
requirements).

I know that I've had Binder wander around with a "personalized enchanter'=
s kit", which basically meant it had some things in it that he used to =
get away with some short cuts here and there in the collection of raw m=
aterials (lowering his target's by a point as a reflection of such). Y=
es it cost more, and we came up with some goofy numbers when he put it =
all together originally.

You may also want to consider what is used for Enchanting overall.

Inks if Tattooing or "Scrolls" are being considered.

Glassware for anything from triggering items to Alchemy Bottles.

Ceramics.

Metalwork (varies, if weaponsmithing is to occur, then a large enough fur=
nace is going to be required of course).

Weaving.


I guess it would all come down the background the character in question i=
s going to have. Binder has interests in lots of things, and has encha=
nted everything from a Flying Carpet to a Potion of Healing (Heal Ancho=
ring type) to the Sphynx of Giza (long story...), so naturally he's dev=
eloped a lot.

Your player's options are wide open, as wide as you want to allow them to=
be.

-K


>
> Thanks.
Message no. 4
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:21:34 +0000
and thus did K is the Symbol speak on 13 Aug 98 at 2:06:

> An Enchanter's Shop...hmmm....exact details would be kind of crazy. I have
[chopchop]
> Your player's options are wide open, as wide as you want to allow them to be.

You forgot the stuffed crocodile or alligator hanging on the ceiling.
Can't enchant without them :)


Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 5
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:26:59 -0400
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, K is the Symbol wrote:

->Inks if Tattooing or "Scrolls" are being considered.

Where are the rules for "Tatoo" magic? I cannot find anything
pointing me in the right direction. (Nobody point me towards Rifts
either, that was just too silly).

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 6
From: Duncan McNeillBurton <dmcneill@************.EDU>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:25:45 -0400
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, David Foster wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, K is the Symbol wrote:
>
> ->Inks if Tattooing or "Scrolls" are being considered.
>
> Where are the rules for "Tatoo" magic? I cannot find anything
> pointing me in the right direction. (Nobody point me towards Rifts
> either, that was just too silly).
>

The rules for tattoo magic in SR appeared in the Underground Sourcebook.
Basically, magic tattoos are a sturdier way of making
Quickenings...by attaching to the spell to the enchanted inks
rather than to a living aura they're more resistant to dispelling
attempts, astral attacks, an grounding attempts...which leads me to
believe that you can ground through Quickenings :)

Or at least you could until a week ago when both concepts vanished from
SR.

Later-
Duncan McNeill-Burton
-Smiter of evidence to end a debate that has raged across the ages
Message no. 7
From: Bob Tockley <zzdeden@****.ASGARD.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:19:34 +1000
On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Fixer scribbled:

> Where are the rules for "Tatoo" magic? I cannot find anything
> pointing me in the right direction. (Nobody point me towards Rifts
> either, that was just too silly).

You'll find the rules for Tattoo magic - or at least the basics for them in
the Underworld Sourcebook on page 96 - 97.



- ARKHAM
"Where there is seeing there is believing..."
Message no. 8
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:57:04 EDT
In a message dated 8/13/98 7:19:10 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US writes:

> ->Inks if Tattooing or "Scrolls" are being considered.
>
> Where are the rules for "Tatoo" magic? I cannot find anything
> pointing me in the right direction. (Nobody point me towards Rifts
> either, that was just too silly).

Try the Underworld Sourcebook ...

-Herc
------ The Best Mechanic you can ever have.
Message no. 9
From: "Mark C. Farrington" <alareth@*****.DWEBS.NET>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:09:16 -0400
>> Where are the rules for "Tatoo" magic? I cannot find anything
>> pointing me in the right direction. (Nobody point me towards Rifts
>> either, that was just too silly).


For an example of one way to handle tattoo/rune magic, try reading the
Deathgate Cycle books by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. No rules, but
tattoo/rune magic is integral to the storyline.

Alareth - Acolyte of the First Church of the Squooshy Ball
The Shiny Happy Gaming Group - http://www.dwebs.net/~alareth
ICQ UIN - 11468823
Message no. 10
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:39:23 EDT
In a message dated 8/13/1998 4:20:14 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
chimerae@***.IE writes:

>
> You forgot the stuffed crocodile or alligator hanging on the ceiling.
> Can't enchant without them :)
>
OH DAMN!!! You're right Martin, blast, blast, @#$%@#$%#@, I don't believe
it...and all those cozy little Unicorn and Dragonette pillows too...

And here Binder's favorite tidbit has always been the large aquarium with a
giant jellyfish that blows bubbles all day.. ;>

-K
Message no. 11
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:42:29 EDT
In a message dated 8/13/1998 7:19:10 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US writes:

> ->Inks if Tattooing or "Scrolls" are being considered.
>
> Where are the rules for "Tatoo" magic? I cannot find anything
> pointing me in the right direction. (Nobody point me towards Rifts
> either, that was just too silly).

They are in the Underworld Sourcebook, and I believe (hope here), that they
will also reappear in the MitS text as well. They are found within the
section concerning the Asian Gangs (Triads, Tongs, etc...) and their specific
"colors" of magic.

-K
Message no. 12
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:27:06 -0700
-----Original Message-----
From: Ubiratan P. Alberton <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Enchanting shop


>AlSeyMer wrote:
>>
>> One of my player, being short on nuyen, decided to purchase his enchanting
shop
>> partially, component by component.

>> So, if any of you had an idea about what's in an enchanting shop, i would
be
>> most gratefull.

> If you feel a little lazy, you can always make him buy a "percentage"
>of the shop... Say, since it will cost 125.000¥ overall, he can spend 10K
>now, another 30K later, etc, until he has all the shop...


Or you could use the used / damaged vehicle rules- I think its something
along the lines of each box of damage reduces price 5%, so with "9 boxes" of
damage, you would pay 55% and get a +3 TN to all tasks using the shop. Repare
costs are what, 10% per box?

As for actually describing what's in there, sheesh- anything and
everything. I'd personally vote for including Tessla coils, orgone boxes, and
fancy glassware, as well as some fancy glyphicly decorated work surfaces- I'd
love one of those "mad scientist" mage types.

Mongoose

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