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From:	satinner@*********.net (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:52:48 -0800 (PST)

Message no. 1 So I'm back ... again.
I imagine we'll see Topcat or somesuch pretty soon now
too.
Most likely a sign of the End Times.

Steven A. Tinner
"EvilGM"

From:	DamionMilliken@*****.com.au (Damion Milliken)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:50:41 +1100

Message no. 2 Steven A. Tinner writes:

> So I'm back ... again.
> I imagine we'll see Topcat or somesuch pretty soon now
> too.
> Most likely a sign of the End Times.

Welcome back, Steve!

If we see Ivy K Ryan return, _then_ I'll know it's the End Times :P.

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From:	gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:50:34 +0100

Message no. 3 According to Steven A. Tinner, on Saturday 28 February 2004 09:52 the word
on the street was...

> So I'm back ... again.
> I imagine we'll see Topcat or somesuch pretty soon now
> too.
> Most likely a sign of the End Times.

Nah, you're not one of the Four :) (Although, come to think of it, since
that prediction was made WAY back when, we've had posts by three of
them...)

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From:	graht1@*******.com (David Buehrer)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:33:11 -0700

Message no. 4 >From: "Steven A. Tinner" <satinner@*********.net>
>
>So I'm back ... again.
>I imagine we'll see Topcat or somesuch pretty soon now
>too.
>Most likely a sign of the End Times.

Welcome back :)

And god help us all if Topcat ever posts another manifesto ;)

So, you gotta tell you last evil GM plan to destroy your players' sanity.

-Graht

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From:	gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:22:28 +0100

Message no. 5 According to Damion Milliken, on Saturday 28 February 2004 10:50 the word
on the street was...

> If we see Ivy K Ryan return, _then_ I'll know it's the End Times :P.

The amazing thing is that, after almost ten years, we're still talking
about her.

*looks at watch* 28 February... Mentioning "ten years" just reminded me
that (unless I'm mistaken) it must be ten years, give or take a day,
perhaps two, since I subscribed to this list...

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From:	adamj@*********.com (Adam Jury)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:45:15 -0500

Message no. 6 On 28-Feb-04, at 12:33 PM, David Buehrer wrote:

> And god help us all if Topcat ever posts another manifesto ;)

Oh, some controversy would be good right about now, don't you think? ;-)

Adam

From:	valeuj@*****.navy.mil (Valeu, John W. EM3 (AS40 R-3))
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:13:53 +1000

Message no. 7 > > And god help us all if Topcat ever posts another manifesto ;)
>
> Oh, some controversy would be good right about now, don't you
> think? ;-)

Dear Ghost, anything to generate list traffic.

From:	alareth@***********.org (Mark C. Farrington)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:29:42 -0500

Message no. 8 > On 28-Feb-04, at 12:33 PM, David Buehrer wrote:
>
> > And god help us all if Topcat ever posts another manifesto ;)
>
> Oh, some controversy would be good right about now, don't you think? ;-)
>
> Adam

Controversy? I've got controversy for you:

How much wood could a ... nah, I'd better not start ;)

Alareth

From:	pentaj2@****.edu (John C. Penta)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:33:20 -0500

Message no. 9 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark C. Farrington" <alareth@***********.org>
Date: Saturday, February 28, 2004 11:29 pm
Subject: Re: End Times?

> > On 28-Feb-04, at 12:33 PM, David Buehrer wrote:
> >
> > > And god help us all if Topcat ever posts another manifesto ;)
> >
> > Oh, some controversy would be good right about now, don't you
> think? ;-)
> >
> > Adam
>
> Controversy? I've got controversy for you:
>
> How much wood could a ... nah, I'd better not start ;)

20 pieces (50cm long) per minute.:-)

From:	datwinkdaddy@*******.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:14:48 -0600

Message no. 10 On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:29:42 -0500, Mark C. Farrington
<alareth@***********.org> wrote:

> [The attribution was gone, but I think it was Adam J.]
>>
>> Oh, some controversy would be good right about now, don't you think? ;-)
>
> Controversy? I've got controversy for you:

I'll chime in here:

Which is better:
1) Samuri or Adepts
2) Mages or Shamans
2a) Elementals or Nature Spirits
3) Gnutella or Vegemite

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From:	graht1@*******.com (David Buehrer)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:42:24 -0700

Message no. 11 >From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
>
>*looks at watch* 28 February... Mentioning "ten years" just reminded me
>that (unless I'm mistaken) it must be ten years, give or take a day,
>perhaps two, since I subscribed to this list...

Wow. That means I'll be celebrating my 10 year anniversary in about 6
months (or did I join in the summer of 95...).

-Graht

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From:	graht1@*******.com (David Buehrer)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:16:50 -0700

Message no. 12 >From: Da Twink Daddy <datwinkdaddy@*******.com>
>
>On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:29:42 -0500, Mark C. Farrington
><alareth@***********.org> wrote:
>
>>[The attribution was gone, but I think it was Adam J.]
>>>
>>>Oh, some controversy would be good right about now, don't you think? ;-)
>>
>>Controversy? I've got controversy for you:
>
>I'll chime in here:
>
>Which is better:
>1) Samuri or Adepts

Samuri

>2) Mages or Shamans

Shamans

>2a) Elementals or Nature Spirits

Elementals

>3) Gnutella or Vegemite

Gnutella

And I'm not going to defend my answers, just because :)

-Graht

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From:	bull@*********.com (Bull)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:43:01 -0500

Message no. 13 At 01:22 PM 2/28/2004, Gurth wrote:
>According to Damion Milliken, on Saturday 28 February 2004 10:50 the word
>on the street was...
>
> > If we see Ivy K Ryan return, _then_ I'll know it's the End Times :P.
>
>The amazing thing is that, after almost ten years, we're still talking
>about her.
>
>*looks at watch* 28 February... Mentioning "ten years" just reminded me
>that (unless I'm mistaken) it must be ten years, give or take a day,
>perhaps two, since I subscribed to this list...

What's scary is that a few years ago, she sent a letter in to the Knights
of the Dinner table bitching about the way the "boys" treat Sara in the
comic. WHich of course is a bit of a social commentary on gaming in
general, but she missed the point completely and caused a huge uproar in
their letters section for several issues.

Which leads me to wonder if she, you know, is just that much of a porblem
causer, or if she does it on purpose.

Bull

From:	bull@*********.com (Bull)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:43:49 -0500

Message no. 14 At 11:29 PM 2/28/2004, Mark C. Farrington wrote:
> > On 28-Feb-04, at 12:33 PM, David Buehrer wrote:
> >
> > > And god help us all if Topcat ever posts another manifesto ;)
> >
> > Oh, some controversy would be good right about now, don't you think? ;-)
> >
> > Adam
>
>Controversy? I've got controversy for you:
>
>How much wood could a ... nah, I'd better not start ;)
>
>Alareth

Tea? Peanut Butter? Anyone want to Invade ShadowTK? (Or better yet,
revive it so we can invade! :))

Bull

From:	silvercat@***********.org (Jonathan Hurley)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:12:49 -0500

Message no. 15 -----Original Message-----
From: Mark C. Farrington
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 11:30 PM
To: Shadowrun Discussion
Subject: Re: End Times?

> On 28-Feb-04, at 12:33 PM, David Buehrer wrote:
>
> > And god help us all if Topcat ever posts another manifesto ;)
>
> Oh, some controversy would be good right about now, don't you think? ;-)
>
> Adam

Controversy? I've got controversy for you:

How much wood could a ... nah, I'd better not start ;)

-----Reply Message-----

And if you do, I've got the belt-fed gatling cybercarpcannon, and more
Dikote than I know what to do with (and if I don't use it on the carp, I've
got to give it to the players).

From:	silvercat@***********.org (Jonathan Hurley)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:17:34 -0500

Message no. 16 <roots around for another old chestnut>

What movies have people seen recently that made you want to run/play
shadowrun?

From:	korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:03:46 -0800 (PST)

Message no. 17 --- Jonathan Hurley <silvercat@***********.org> wrote:
> <roots around for another old chestnut>
>
> What movies have people seen recently that made you want to
> run/play
> shadowrun?

Oddly enough, the LOTR trilogy made me desperate for some good old
fashioned cybered elves and spell-slinging dwarves, with the odd ork
philosopher/decker. I have been reliving the entire history of
RPG's, from the day good old Gary Gygax decided to rip off J.R.R.
Tolkein with a hack job fantasy game, to a present where gamers
demand that stereotypes be broken and the line between game mechanics
and realism be as blurry as the creators can possibly manage. In
three very short years, I have watched the RPG community experience a
whole influx of new players, as captivated by the movies as I was by
the books. Inevitably, they gravitate to fantasy, craving dexterous
elves, mysterious rangers, or powerful wizards. They want combat and
nifty magic. They want to slay monsters on paper, as the ultimate
escape from the hun-drum of life. I have been forced to turn down
players from my regular Saturday evening game because we don't have
physical space for any more. LOTR brought a love for escapist,
cerebral pastimes back into the mainstream. People are reading books
and seeking for a place to jump into books again. First person
shooter??? No. First person vicarious thrill ride via the help of a
good GM (DM, Storyguide, Narator, etc). I don't know what the long
term effects will be, but I believe that the LOTR movies may bring
about a revived interest in fantasy. Inevitably, that interest will
branch out into other fantastic genres, and Shadowrun stands poised
as the perfect compromise between Tolkein and the sci-fi (Episode III
could still redeem Lucas ;> ) oriented neophyte gamer.

Another movie I saw about a year ago that gave me some neat SR ideas
was called "Equilibrium". It has some interesting ideas for an
adept, as well as some great inspiration for a religious/corporate
arcology. Some of my players will soon encounter something just like
the civilization described in the movie. They will likely hate it,
and me. The Evil GM in me recommends this movie if only for cruel
ideas to spring on your players.

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From:	gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:05:02 +0100

Message no. 18 According to Jonathan Hurley, on Monday 01 March 2004 07:17 the word on the
street was...

> What movies have people seen recently that made you want to run/play
> shadowrun?

Not really an answer to your question, but I watched Shaft the other day
and felt it actually showed a pretty good example of a shadowrun: John
Shaft gets hired to find a kidnap victim; does fairly extensive legwork;
finds out Mr. Johnson didn't tell him the whole truth and nothing but the
truth; meets with the bad guys in order to accomplish the run anyway; and
then finally stages a rescue attempt in the way a shadowrun team might.

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From:	chipeloi@*.nl (chipeloi@*.nl)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:26:37 +0100

Message no. 19 On 1 Mar 2004 at 1:17, Jonathan Hurley wrote:

> <roots around for another old chestnut>
>
> What movies have people seen recently that made you want to run/play
> shadowrun?

Geeees where do i begin..
Paycheck
Nice tech-toy's

LOTR
I like orc's, so seeing the movie has made me make a new caracter based on the orc's of
tolkien

People i know
it has the fixer feeling
Trying to set up a meet between two rivals and getting cought in the middel
I was consantly thinking: this would be where the shadowrun team would come in

Underworld
gritty, think ghouls instead of werewolfs and Shadowrunner as the vampires, and you have
a nice setting

Rizing sun
(the bruce willes movie)
The firefights where the thing that made me want to play SR

From:	chipeloi@*.nl (chipeloi@*.nl)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:30:13 +0100

Message no. 20 On 28 Feb 2004 at 23:14, Da Twink Daddy wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:29:42 -0500, Mark C. Farrington
> <alareth@***********.org> wrote:
>
> > [The attribution was gone, but I think it was Adam J.]
> >>
> >> Oh, some controversy would be good right about now, don't you think? ;-)
> >
> > Controversy? I've got controversy for you:
>
> I'll chime in here:
>
> Which is better:
> 1) Samuri or Adepts

Adapts

> 2) Mages or Shamans

neither

> 2a) Elementals or Nature Spirits

Elemental

> 3) Gnutella or Vegemite

pindakaas

From:	rpufky1@*********.rr.com (Richard R. Pufky)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:55:05 -0500

Message no. 21 On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:03:46 -0800 (PST), Ice Heart wrote:
> Another movie I saw about a year ago that gave me some neat SR ideas
> was called "Equilibrium". It has some interesting ideas for an
> adept, as well as some great inspiration for a religious/corporate
> arcology.

Yeah. Definitely an interesting movie.

One of my players has seen it and immediately wanted the spring loaded clip loaders from
the final fight scene. Would probably make loading clip a free action as opposed to
simple, especially if they were cyber loaders. Haven't given them over though, yet. They
also wanna learn gun-fu.

A made-for-tv movie that I caught a part of yesterday, seemed like a Shadowrun gone wrong.
"Perfect Assassins" or something like that. I only caught the first 20 minutes
of it though, so I'm not sure where that one ended up. Anyone else seen/heard of that one?

Rick
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From:	graht1@*******.com (David Buehrer)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Mon, 01 Mar 2004 09:31:01 -0700

Message no. 22 On 1 Mar 2004 at 1:17, Jonathan Hurley wrote:
>
><roots around for another old chestnut>
>
>What movies have people seen recently that made you want to run/play
>shadowrun?

A couple of weeks ago I checked out a copy of the first six episodes of
Cowboy Beebop from the local library. It's *very* Shadowrunny. It also
gave me a strong desire to add some nightclub jazz to my music library to
use as background music for RPG combat encounters. I highly recommend it to
everyone.

-Graht

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From:	zadoc@***.neu.edu (Damian)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:09:17 -0500 (EST)

Message no. 23 On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, David Buehrer wrote:

> A couple of weeks ago I checked out a copy of the first six episodes of
> Cowboy Beebop from the local library. It's *very* Shadowrunny. It also
> gave me a strong desire to add some nightclub jazz to my music library to
> use as background music for RPG combat encounters. I highly recommend it to
> everyone.

And, for the Americans (and anyone else who gets Cartoon Network), you can
check it out on Adult Swim (the late night cartoons). Some episodes are
more Shadowrunny than others, but it's definately entertaining, and
combines the music with the animation very well, using music that isn't
all the usual anime stuff.

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From:	matryoshka_01@*******.com (Danyel Woods)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Tue, 02 Mar 2004 23:18:55 +1300

Message no. 24 >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 01:17:34 -0500
>From: "Jonathan Hurley" <silvercat@***********.org>
>
><roots around for another old chestnut>
>
>What movies have people seen recently that made you want to run/play
>shadowrun?

Technically not a movie... I just got a budget-pack copy of the original
_Diablo_ and started playing through as a Rogue, completely eschewing bows
in favour of the Magic attribute. Blazing away at bad guys with spells with
one hand while swinging away with a sword (weapon focus) in the other -
perfect image of a Shadowrun sorcerer. :-D
Gawd, I wish I could find a gaming group. :-(

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From:	ra002585@**.unicamp.br (Bira)
Subject:	End Times?
Date:	Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:52:29 -0300

Message no. 25 Damian wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, David Buehrer wrote:
>
>
>>A couple of weeks ago I checked out a copy of the first six episodes of
>>Cowboy Beebop from the local library. It's *very* Shadowrunny. It also
>>gave me a strong desire to add some nightclub jazz to my music library to
>>use as background music for RPG combat encounters. I highly recommend it to
>>everyone.
>
>
> And, for the Americans (and anyone else who gets Cartoon Network), you can
> check it out on Adult Swim (the late night cartoons). Some episodes are
> more Shadowrunny than others, but it's definately entertaining, and
> combines the music with the animation very well, using music that isn't
> all the usual anime stuff.

This show made me think "frag Shadowrun, I wanna play Cowboy Bebop!" :)

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