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Message no. 1
From: Skrub <mccllstr@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 12:25:13 -0400
Just athought on orthoskin and Dermal armor. What happens when you need
surgery, say cuz a bullet is lodged in your lung, and the doctor's
scalpel won't cut through your skin?

Brian McCallister---------------------------------------------------Skrub
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-Skrub, before being shot for unknown reasons
Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 12:57:12 -0500
On Tue, 13 Sep 1994, Skrub wrote:

> Just athought on orthoskin and Dermal armor. What happens when you need
> surgery, say cuz a bullet is lodged in your lung, and the doctor's
> scalpel won't cut through your skin?

You dikote the scalpel

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Message no. 3
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 10:57:41 -0500
>Just athought on orthoskin and Dermal armor. What happens when you need
>surgery, say cuz a bullet is lodged in your lung, and the doctor's
>scalpel won't cut through your skin?

Or the Doc can't get past your ribs 'cuz they have a Titanium coating to them.

And another thought about Bone Lacing. What about something like
Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacings? Thoughts? Opinions? Blatant flames?

Matt
Message no. 4
From: Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@***.NEU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:56:11 -0400
>>>>> "Matt" == Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU> writes:

Matt> Or the Doc can't get past your ribs 'cuz they have a Titanium
Matt> coating to them.

Jaws of Life. BTW, bone lacing the rib cage lines the bones, not the whole
cage. No flexability if you create a solid shell around the chest.

Matt> And another thought about Bone Lacing. What about something like
Matt> Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacings? Thoughts? Opinions? Blatant flames?

Won't work. Bone lacing needs to be flexable yet retain tensile strength.
Dikote doesn't have both in any great quantity. Dikote might work as a form
of enhanced articulation, but getting the victim's... ahhh, patient's bones
into the kiln and then back into the body is going to be a bit of work.

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Message no. 5
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 19:50:18 -0500
On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Stainless Steel Rat wrote:

> Won't work. Bone lacing needs to be flexable yet retain tensile strength.
> Dikote doesn't have both in any great quantity. Dikote might work as a form
> of enhanced articulation, but getting the victim's... ahhh, patient's bones
> into the kiln and then back into the body is going to be a bit of work.

I understood that Dicote was the act of spraying superheated (plasma)
carbon onto the object. The carbod cools and crystalizes into the hard
substance.

You don't necessarily have to "bake" the person as you meantion.

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Message no. 6
From: Luke Kendall <luke@********.CANON.OZ.AU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 10:55:02 +1000
Rat> into the kiln and then back into the body is going to be a bit of work.

Robert A. Hayden:

> I understood that Dicote was the act of spraying superheated (plasma)
> carbon onto the object. The carbo[n] cools and crystalizes into the hard
> substance.
>
> You don't necessarily have to "bake" the person as you meantion.

Well, speaking for myself, I'd rather those bones were outside my body
while the superheated carbon was sprayed over 'em. :-)

Dikoting bones? Just say No.

luke
Message no. 7
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 20:06:49 +1000
Our Fearless Leader writes:

> I understood that Dicote was the act of spraying superheated (plasma)
> carbon onto the object. The carbod cools and crystalizes into the hard
> substance.
>
> You don't necessarily have to "bake" the person as you meantion.

Thats right, you only need to "bake" the metal plates which are going to be
imbedded in the person.

Don't so much know what use it would be though. Even the best bone lacing
only gives +1 Ballistic and +1 Impact armour, which is what Dikote does on
armour. I wouldn't think there would be enough surface covered to get any
game term bonuses.

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Message no. 8
From: King of Pain <mcgowan@*****.BUCKNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 11:48:07 -0400
> Thats right, you only need to "bake" the metal plates which are going to be
> imbedded in the person.


Actaually, don't they say in shadowtech that all surgery involving lining
metal over tissue is accomplished by nanites?? And if this is true,
would it still apply to the bone lacing.


RDM
Message no. 9
From: "Scott D. Peterson" <scpeters@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 20:54:29 -0600
On Tue, 13 Sep 1994, Skrub wrote:

> Just athought on orthoskin and Dermal armor. What happens when you need
> surgery, say cuz a bullet is lodged in your lung, and the doctor's
> scalpel won't cut through your skin?

More than likely the ortho skin would be laser cut or gamma knifed. Then
after the surgery the cut would be repaired by the same means. Usualy
the balistic material is fire resistant but not fire proof. So it could
be cut well enough. As to the repair of the cut in the weav they may
just weave or graft another piece into it. The scar tissue would be real
easy to see unless you spent big yen on reconstructive surgery. And dont
forget the first rule of thumb in trauma surgery, dont cut if theres a
big whole to go in through already!

Edge.
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Message no. 10
From: "Scott D. Peterson" <scpeters@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 21:16:26 -0600
> And another thought about Bone Lacing. What about something like
> Dikoted Titanium Bone Lacings? Thoughts? Opinions? Blatant flames?

Toxic? Cancerous, hell whats it matter if they have to cut throught that
your probably not going to be running the shadows anymore.

Edge
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Message no. 11
From: John Moeller <John.Moeller@*.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 22:51:28 -0600
On Wed, 14 Sep 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> > into the kiln and then back into the body is going to be a bit of work.
>
> I understood that Dicote was the act of spraying superheated (plasma)
> carbon onto the object. The carbod cools and crystalizes into the hard
> substance.
>
> You don't necessarily have to "bake" the person as you meantion.

Well, perhaps, but:

1. You have to localize the spray
2. The superheated plasma will probably kill the bone.

Just a couple of considerations.

John IV aka John Moeller <John.Moeller@*.cc.utah.edu>
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Message no. 12
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 19:50:32 +1000
RDM writes:

> Actaually, don't they say in shadowtech that all surgery involving lining
> metal over tissue is accomplished by nanites?? And if this is true,
> would it still apply to the bone lacing.

It would also mean that very little actual surgery would be involved in most
cyberwares. Which means that the essense costs do not depend on the severity
of the invasive surgery.

I happen to like the idea of the "astral template", as this has nothing to
do with surgery, invasiveness of the cyberware, neural connections or
"humanity". With this we can just say "it doesn't fit the template",
thus
resolving the problem.

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Message no. 13
From: MILLIKEN DAMION A <u9467882@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 20:32:11 +1000
John IV writes:

> > I understood that Dicote was the act of spraying superheated (plasma)
> > carbon onto the object. The carbod cools and crystalizes into the hard
> > substance.
> >
> > You don't necessarily have to "bake" the person as you meantion.
>
> Well, perhaps, but:
>
> 1. You have to localize the spray
> 2. The superheated plasma will probably kill the bone.

I think he was meaning to dikote the metal plates _before_ they were
implanted into the recipient. But with the suggestion that all the metal is
placed with nanites, the idea is a bit moot.

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Message no. 14
From: Matt <mosbun@******.CC.PURDUE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 11:35:55 -0500
>Well, speaking for myself, I'd rather those bones were outside my body
>while the superheated carbon was sprayed over 'em. :-)

>Dikoting bones? Just say No.

What about Dikoting the substance you're lacing the bones with before you
actually install it?

Matt
Message no. 15
From: Matthew Alan Hufstetler <gt2778a@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 01:17:51 -0400
>
> >Well, speaking for myself, I'd rather those bones were outside my body
> >while the superheated carbon was sprayed over 'em. :-)
>
> >Dikoting bones? Just say No.
>
> What about Dikoting the substance you're lacing the bones with before you
> actually install it?
>
> Matt
>
Considering that it is bone LACING not bone plating, that is a problem.
Lacing actually imbeds the metal into your bones on a cellular level. At
least that is what I get out of reading the description of it.
Message no. 16
From: John Moeller <John.Moeller@*.CC.UTAH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essense Loss and orthoskin
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 04:49:13 -0600
On Fri, 16 Sep 1994, MILLIKEN DAMION A wrote:

> > Well, perhaps, but:
> >
> > 1. You have to localize the spray
> > 2. The superheated plasma will probably kill the bone.
>
> I think he was meaning to dikote the metal plates _before_ they were
> implanted into the recipient. But with the suggestion that all the metal is
> placed with nanites, the idea is a bit moot.

Well, I'm gonna be a bastard and drag it out for one last thwomp. They
aren't plates, they're strips. Ad if you try to bend them, which you'd
have to do, the Dikote will probably break, because diamonds aren't
really that flexible, even though they're strong.

Anyway, you're right. They are probably implanted w/nanites.

John IV aka John Moeller <John.Moeller@*.cc.utah.edu>
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