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Message no. 1
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 10:52:51 -0500
At 09:51 AM 8/5/97 -0600, Adam J wrote:
#Yup. It's one of the first 5 books every player/GM should own, IMO.

Besides the BBB, what are the other three?
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Message no. 2
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 17:21:31 +0100
|
|At 09:51 AM 8/5/97 -0600, Adam J wrote:
|#Yup. It's one of the first 5 books every player/GM should own, IMO.
|
|Besides the BBB, what are the other three?

Street Sam Catalogue, Shadowtech, Hmmmm.... Grimoire....
Add to that VRII if you're running a decker and RBB2 (in a little while) if
you're playing a Rigger....

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Message no. 3
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:55:43 -0600
At 10:52 8/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>At 09:51 AM 8/5/97 -0600, Adam J wrote:
>#Yup. It's one of the first 5 books every player/GM should own, IMO.
>
>Besides the BBB, what are the other three?

Big Black, VR2, Grimmy2, Street Samurai Catalog, and <Insert Location Book
Here>

Reasonings:

Big Black: Well duh.
Vr2: Nessesary if you want to run a decker, and makes it easier to run NPC
deckers. Plus keeping up with the Shadowrun SOTA is good :)
Grimmy2: Magic Magic Magic. Initiates, magical groups, and some really
nice colour plates.
Street Sammy Catalog: Some fun toys, and better suited to a beginning
campaign than the stuff in Fields of Fire, basically. (IMO)
Fields of Fire is a better book for reading, but most of the stuff never
makes it into my games.
Chosen Location: Mine is Seattle Sourcebook. I think it's the finest book
FASA has put together for Shadowrun, that I've read. Unless you're Really
imaginative, I think you pretty much need a location book, at least to
start with. I know people that say different, but I like to have something
to fall back on when my guys say "We're going to the nearest bar, what's it
called?"

I'm really sleepy. And it's 12:53. *Sigh*

-Adam

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Message no. 4
From: The Spaceman <spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 15:17:11 -0700
>>>>> Adam J didst say unto the aether thusly:


# Big Black, VR2, Grimmy2, Street Samurai Catalog, and <Insert Location Book
# Here>

My 5: BBB,Grimmy2,FoF,Shadowtech,and NAGRL

Reason for Fof instead of SSC: Most of the stuff in Street Sam is
either: a)in the back of the BBB or b)in the FoF lists. Yes the FoF stuff is
advanced, but the tables of weapon/combat gear are a great resource. And the
Savalette is in the FoF. Of the rulebooks out there, the only two I don't own
are the RBB (can't find one plus RBB2 is out soon) and the Street Sam Catalogue
as the SSC seems so pointless with the important info elsewhere.

The others are self-expl. except Neo-A's Guide. I picked this for
the flavour of the world that comes through as well as fun ideas that it
contains.

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Message no. 5
From: Loki <daddyjim@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 19:27:34 -0700
---Jaymz wrote:
>
> At 09:51 AM 8/5/97 -0600, Adam J wrote:
> #Yup. It's one of the first 5 books every player/GM should own, IMO.
>
> Besides the BBB, what are the other three?

I'd say the main five are:

BBB - core rules

Grimmy - initiates, free spirits, spell design and more magic.

SSC - granted the gear is listed elsewhere, but those lists don't give
you details, special rules, alpha/beta grade cyberware, or cyber
repair.

Shadowtech - bioware, drugs, CCD's and legalities.

VR 2.0 - revision on decking rules. (Personally, our games don't do
alot with decking, and up until recently I never had a decker PC in
the group. I myself am concocting my own quick and dirty methods for
handling decking and the matrix, but for another GM/Player I'd
probably list this as the 5th essential book.)

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Message no. 6
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 21:33:51 -0500
At 07:27 PM 8/5/97 -0700, Loki wrote:
#---Jaymz wrote:
#> At 09:51 AM 8/5/97 -0600, Adam J wrote:
#> #Yup. It's one of the first 5 books every player/GM should own, IMO.
#>
#> Besides the BBB & the Grimoire, what are the other three?
#I'd say the main five are:
#BBB - core rules
#Grimmy - initiates, free spirits, spell design and more magic.
#SSC - granted the gear is listed elsewhere, but those lists don't give
#you details, special rules, alpha/beta grade cyberware, or cyber
#repair.
#Shadowtech - bioware, drugs, CCD's and legalities.
#VR 2.0 - revision on decking rules. (Personally, our games don't do
#alot with decking, and up until recently I never had a decker PC in
#the group. I myself am concocting my own quick and dirty methods for
#handling decking and the matrix, but for another GM/Player I'd
#probably list this as the 5th essential book.)

OK, so core rules, Magician Handbook, Sammy Handbook, Non Magic Handbook and
Decker handbook

what would people suggest as the next 5?

Also, is a complete list of all source books published available anywhere?

And which books suck?

Jaymz


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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:43:04 +0100
Jaymz said on 21:33/ 5 Aug 97...

> Also, is a complete list of all source books published available anywhere?

Here's a slight update of the list I posted to SRCreate a few days back; *
means the book is, to the best of my knowledge, out of print.

RULEBOOKS & SOURCEBOOKS

7100 Shadowrun: Where Man Meets Magic and Machine [softcover] *
7101 Shadowrun: Where Man Meets Magic and Machine [hardcover] *
7102 Gamemaster's Screen *
7103 Sprawl Sites *
7104 Street Samurai Catalog *
7104 Street Samurai Catalog [second edition]
7105 Paranormal Animals Of North America *
7106 The Grimoire: The Manual Of Practical Thaumaturgy, 14th Edition,
2050 *
7107 Virtual Realities *
7108 Rigger Black Book
7109 Shadowbeat
7110 Shadowtech
7111 DMZ: Downtown Militarized Zone [box set] *
7112 Paranormal Animals Of Europe
7113 Corporate Shadowfiles
7114 Fields of Fire
7115 Lone Star
7116 ? (Prime Runners?)
7117 Bug City
7118 Corporate Security Handbook
7119 Cybertechnology
7120 Awakenings
7121 Threats
7122 Portfolio of a Dragon: Dunkelzahn's Secrets
7123 Underworld Sourcebook

7201 Seattle Sourcebook
7202 Native American Nations: Volume One
7203 London Sourcebook
7204 Germany Sourcebook
7205 The Universal Brotherhood *
7206 Neo-Anarchist's Guide To North America *
7207 Native American Nations: Volume Two
7208 The Neo-Anarchists' Guide To Real Life
7209 California Free State
7210 Tir Tairngire *
7211 Tir na nOg
7212 Denver: The City Of Shadows [box set] *
7213 Aztlan
7214 Target: UCAS

7401 Sprawl Maps *

7900 Shadowrun Second Edition [hardcover] *
7901 Shadowrun Second Edition [softcover]
7902 Shadowrun GM Screen, Second Edition
7903 The Grimoire: The Manual Of Practical Thaumaturgy, 15th Edition,
2053
7904 Virtual Realities 2.0
7905 Shadowrun Companion: Beyond the Shadows

ADVENTURES

7301 DNA/DOA *
7302 Mercurial *
7303 Dreamchipper
7304 Queen Euphoria
7305 Bottled Demon *
7306 Harlequin *
7307 Dragon Hunt *
7308 Tottal Eclipse
7309 Imago
7310 Elven Fire
7311 Ivy & Chrome
7312 One Stage Before
7113 Dark Angel
7314 A Killing Glare
7315 Celtic Double-Cross
7316 Eye Witness
7317 Paradise Lost
7318 Divided Assets
7319 Double Exposure
7320 Harlequin's Back
7321 ?
7322 Super Tuesday
? Mob War


> And which books suck?

Not many of them, really. It's just that some are a lot more useful than
others (usefulness rating anyone? :)

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Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:43:12 +0100
|Also, is a complete list of all source books published available anywhere?

I(t just so happens that someone JUST posted a complete shadowrun product
list on another list I'm on organised by Bull...

Unfortunately, I deleted it, and Bull is gone <sniff>.
Someone else still here might have it....

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Message no. 9
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 10:21:31 -0500
At 09:33 PM 8/5/97 -0500, Jaymz whispered:

>what would people suggest as the next 5?

>And which books suck?
>
>Jaymz

Also over on http://shadowrun.miningco.com , in the Previous Features
section, there's a three part column about what a starting group needs or
might want in term of sourcebooks or campaign material. I think it's a
pretty good resource, but then again, I wrote it.



Your Guide to Shadowrun,
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Message no. 10
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:48:16 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-06 08:44:52 EDT, you write:

> I(t just so happens that someone JUST posted a complete shadowrun product
> list on another list I'm on organised by Bull...

Bull posted that one up. And since I'm a glutton for punishment - as if I
don't get enough e-mail as it is - where's the FAQ and subscription info for
that list?

Wolfstar
Message no. 11
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:39:16 -0600
At 14:48 8/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-08-06 08:44:52 EDT, you write:
>
>> I(t just so happens that someone JUST posted a complete shadowrun product
>> list on another list I'm on organised by Bull...
>
> Bull posted that one up. And since I'm a glutton for punishment - as if I
>don't get enough e-mail as it is - where's the FAQ and subscription info for
>that list?

email: majordomo@****.net
no subject, body 'subscribe srcreate'
the address to post messages to that list is srcreate@****.net, right now
we're sort of in a lull, working on the Newbies Guide to Shadowrun.

Bull is co-ordinating *snicker* the effort, and since he's away, not so
much is happening right now. I'll probably post the FAQ for that list to
this list sometime before I leave on my vacation.

-Adam


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Message no. 12
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Essential Books (WAS Re: A few questions)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:31:48 -0400
At 09:33 PM 8/5/97 -0500, Jaymz wrote these timeless words:
>what would people suggest as the next 5?
>
This really depends on the type of game you want to play, where you want to
play, how much you like backgrounddetails, etc.

>Also, is a complete list of all source books published available anywhere?
>
>And which books suck?
>
Well... There was a listing of quite a few of the books in Fro's TSS #1
(Insert Plug Here, Adam :)) along with a write up of them. We're also
(slowly:)) working on a net book called the Newbies Guide to Shadowrunning
which will have a complete listing of every Sourcebook and Module, along
with ISBN number, whether they are still in print, and they will have a
short synopsis and a rating to tell you which ones are the better books...

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