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Message no. 1
From: the holy Entombed <rasputin@***.UMD.EDU>
Subject: EVIL...
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 12:39:31 -0400
On Fri, 16 Sep 1994, Alexander Borghgraef wrote:

> I had this idea for a "Full Metal Jacket"-like SR-scenario with a
> troll sniper using a mag-3 Panther Assault Cannon (maximum range 1300m).
> Am I evil or what?

You win. In fact, you might be able to oust Satan when he comes up for
reelection in '96. And no, I'm not talking about Bill Clinton...well,
maybe I am...yeah, I am.

Give the troll wired reflexes III and partial cover, and you're set.

--the holy Entombed----------------------- - - - - - -
rasputin@***.umd.edu "It must be the pretzels."
Eric.Trager@*********.com----------------- - - - - - -
Message no. 2
From: "J.D. Falk" <jdfalk@****.CAIS.COM>
Subject: Re: EVIL...
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 13:34:29 -0400
On Fri, 16 Sep 1994, the holy Entombed wrote:

> You win. In fact, you might be able to oust Satan when he comes up for
> reelection in '96. And no, I'm not talking about Bill Clinton...well,
> maybe I am...yeah, I am.

Now, now, Mr. Entombed, President Clinton isn't Satan. The jury
is still out on whether or not he's working in Satan's favor, of course,
but he isn't the Evil One himself. If he was, d'ye think he'd let people
like you and Rush Limbough, who blast him every chance you get, live for
long? *grin*

P.S.: This post is generally meant in a humorous fashion. The
holy Entombed and I are good friends, and I enjoy watching him and another
friend argue about politics. Sometimes I join in, without paying much
attention to whose side I'm on, just because it's funny.
Message no. 3
From: Alexander Borghgraef <Alexander.Borghgraef@***.AC.BE>
Subject: Re: EVIL...
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 11:10:55 --100
>You win. In fact, you might be able to oust Satan when he comes up for
>reelection in '96. And no, I'm not talking about Bill Clinton...well,
>maybe I am...yeah, I am.

>Give the troll wired reflexes III and partial cover, and you're set.

I was thinking about making him a Physad with astral perception,no invisible
mage stuff,you know.
Message no. 4
From: "A. Blair Blackwell" <ab130f92@*******.adelphi.edu>
Subject: Evil
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 11:49:56 -0500
How 'bout this?

IMHO Evil means: (simplified for everyone to get)

He hurt me. He Bad!


Does that simply things enough for everyone?

BLAIR :)
Message no. 5
From: Roger Ramirez <chariot@*******.net>
Subject: Re: Evil
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 16:40:17 -0500 (EST)
At 11:49 AM 3/13/96 -0500, you wrote:
>How 'bout this?
>
>IMHO Evil means: (simplified for everyone to get)
>
>He hurt me. He Bad!
>
>
>Does that simply things enough for everyone?
>
Not realy.

I punch you, you punch me back. I hurt you, you hurt me. I guess we're both
evil.

I think the only definition you can place on evil is whatever definition
each person comes up with. Evil to one person my not be evil to another.
ie. Insect spirits are not evil to themselves and other insects (and
entemologist <sp?>) but they are very evil to other humans.

Chariot
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Message no. 6
From: Bob <R3EGK@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Evil
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96 16:48:24 EST
I think anything that stands in your way of conquering the world is evil, that
is only if you think you're good.
"Does shooting kids make you evil? And if so, what if they were hiding i
n the sewer like rats, and your wired was touchy that day?"
--Bob(I told ya' earlier the slayer of small street urchins)
Message no. 7
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: Evil
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 96 21:34:09 +1030
> "Does shooting kids make you evil? And if so, what if they were
>hiding in the sewer like rats, and your wired was touchy that day?"

No, that just makes you careless... :) Hmm... what if they were a mob of
pre-adolescents with handguns?


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Message no. 8
From: Bob <R3EGK@***.CC.UAKRON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Evil
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 96 14:32:19 EST
no..no...I was running through the sewers with my friend the Kernal, we were bo
red and looking for ghouls to shoot, and I decided to shoot at anything that mo
ved, and when I came around the corner I saw something to my left and so I turn
ed on my FNMAG? I think and plastered the little urchin to the wall, but hey at
least I didn't shoot his friends that ran away......

--<<<<Trigger Happy in Tulsa>>>>--
"Ya know, grenades can be very dangerous things, If you happen to be going on a
run, even if it is wet work, you should carry something other than a grenade gu
n and hand grenades, not only can mass explosions hurt your friends, but those
things sure ain't good for your hearing<<hearing ringing>>"
--Bob(..hmm...nothin cool today)
Message no. 9
From: "John Stoneham" <kismet@********.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Evil
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:52:23 +0000
> IMHO Evil means: (simplified for everyone to get)
>
> He hurt me. He Bad!

IWHO (in Webster's humble opinion) Evil means:

evil. 1a. morally reprehensible, sinful, wicked
1b. arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
2a. archaic--inferior
2b. causing discomfort or repulsion, offensive
2c. disagreeable
3a. causing harm, pernicious
3b. marked by misfortune

I would think that insect spirits meet 1a,1b,2b,2c,and 3a...
Killing people is sorta morally reprehensible... people are generally
uncomfortable when in the presence of these nasties... they are
rather disagreeable, and they certainly cause harm...

2 + 2 = Insect spirits are evil. :) (or 4, whichever you prefer :)

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Message no. 10
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.com.au>
Subject: Re: Evil
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 96 10:34:03 +1030
>evil. 1a. morally reprehensible, sinful, wicked
>1b. arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
>2a. archaic--inferior
>2b. causing discomfort or repulsion, offensive
>2c. disagreeable
>3a. causing harm, pernicious
>3b. marked by misfortune
>
>I would think that insect spirits meet 1a,1b,2b,2c,and 3a...
>Killing people is sorta morally reprehensible... people are generally
>uncomfortable when in the presence of these nasties... they are
>rather disagreeable, and they certainly cause harm...

Morally reprehensible, sinful, wicked? Why? They do what they have to do
to survive. If that is morally reprehensible, then so are humans, who eat
living things (even vegetarians do this).
Actual or imputed bad character? Okay, they've definately got imputed bad
character.
Causing discomfort or repulsion is not evil, just an excuse for people to
hate what they don't like.
Disagreeable? Dunno... i don't try to debate them, I just either roast
them or run away. :) (Or pile them on by the tonne).
Causing harm is just another excuse for people to hate what they don't
like. Pernicious is out, as again, they just do what's in their nature.

With all due respect, trying to pigeonhole such a defination isn't
possible.


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{~._.~} "Eternal nothingness is fine if you happen {~._.~}
( Y ) to be dressed for it." -- Woody Allen ( Y )
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Message no. 11
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: Evil
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 14:03:59 -0700 (MST)
John Stoneham wrote:
|
|IWHO (in Webster's humble opinion) Evil means:
|
|evil. 1a. morally reprehensible, sinful, wicked
|1b. arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct
|2a. archaic--inferior
|2b. causing discomfort or repulsion, offensive
|2c. disagreeable
|3a. causing harm, pernicious
|3b. marked by misfortune
|
|I would think that insect spirits meet 1a,1b,2b,2c,and 3a...
|Killing people is sorta morally reprehensible... people are generally
|uncomfortable when in the presence of these nasties... they are
|rather disagreeable, and they certainly cause harm...

1a. As defined by human morals, ethics and values. Insect spirits are alien
in nature and as such do not share our morals, ethics and values. Another
way to look at it is that Insect spirits are defined as being insane by our
standards. The insane are not defined as evil, just confused.

1b. Again I feel that a human characteristic is being applied to an alien
being. If a human's action arises from bad character or conduct it's
fine to define that as an evil action. But we don't know what bad
character or conduct is for an insect spirit.

2a. I have no idea what the context of this definition is in. But you
aren't applying it to insect spirits, so I'll skip it.

2b. The act of causing pain and discomfort for the sole purpose of causing
pain and discomfort is an evil act. An insect spirit causes pain and
discomfort as a result of the act of reproduction. Their goal is to
reproduce. The pain and discomfort is a side effect of that goal.

2c. Again, human values are being applied to an alien culture. Sure, the
insect spirits' method of reproduction is disagreable to us and if a human
were to do what they're doing I would definetly say he was evil. But I
don't know if insect spirits find their act of reproduction disagreable.

3a. See my reasoning for 2b. The insect spirits' act of reproduction is
their goal, and causing harm is a side effect of that act.

Insect spirits are definitly a threat to humanity, but they're not evil.
They're goal is to reproduce. Their method of reproduction requires humans.
The act of reproduction results in the death of the human host as a side
effect, not as a desire to cause harm..

Compare them to a virus. A virus just wants to reproduce. It uses living
cells to do this. It does not have any malicious intent. As a side effect
of its method of reproduction the cell is almost always destroyed. Good for
the virus, bad for the cell, but not evil.

-David

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Message no. 12
From: Marc A Renouf <jormung@*****.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Evil?
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 22:49:42 -0500 (EST)
On Mon, 18 Mar 1996, Mike Broadwater wrote:

> But you are right on a few things (IMO) If you view that what whatever is
> being done not out of a sense of evil (like the bugs) but out of a need for
> exsistance, then you must make the steps necessary to protect yourself.
> However, that's a very enlightened view, and not what was being discussed.
> It was whether the bugs were evil. And from a human, moral view, they are.
> >From a bug, moral view, they're not. You can't reconsile the two.

Exactly, which is why you shouldn't even *try* to reconcile the
two. Just blast the little bastards purely out of your own instinct for
self-preservation. ;)

Marc

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