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Message no. 1
From: bandwidthoracle@*********.net (Bandwidth Oracle)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:10:02 -0700
One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer. I
wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.
Thanks
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Message no. 2
From: CirclMastr@***.com (CirclMastr@***.com)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:19:03 -0500
In a message dated 2/4/2003 9:10:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
bandwidthoracle@*********.net writes:

>
>
> One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer. I
> wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
> pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
> deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.
> Thanks
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> --------------
> The duck raises an excellent point.

Why bother with tests? Just dictate that certain women get pregnant when it's
appropriate. Or that they all get pregnant.

For true evilness, forget the pregnancy and go with an STD. Or the next time he takes a
wound on a run, he loses a little piece of himself, maybe two. Or have him accidentally
wander into a bar of a different persuasion.
Message no. 3
From: sf_fuller@********.com.au (Simon & Fiona)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:26:06 +1100
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Subject: Evil GM's required


> One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer. I
> wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
> pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
> deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.
> Thanks


Don't worry about rolls, if it helps the storyline or character development,
then she's pregnant.
Message no. 4
From: shadowrn@****.net (Saren Johnson)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:53:27 -0700
Bandwidth Oracle Predicted: >>>
One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer. I
wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.
Thanks

<<< End Transmission

Why not do the links up with a girl takes her back to his place and passes
out. Next morning most of his "kewl" toys are gone. He should be able to
track her down, after all she is a regular at the local bar.

Course, she doesn't have the toys now, she told them to her fixer who really
ripped her off. She's desperate for money because she's supporting younger
brothers and sisters. You can always through in the added twist of guess
what... Daddy.

(If you do this well, he'll end up trying to get his stuff back from the
fixer who will send him out to do errands for him or he has the option to
buy his own stuff back. Yeah Rory (the fixer) isn't a nice guy.)

Good luck,

Saren
Message no. 5
From: korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:41:55 -0800 (PST)
--- Bandwidth Oracle <bandwidthoracle@*********.net> wrote:
> One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a
> womanizer. I
> wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
> pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
> deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.
> Thanks

Hmmmm...too many evil ideas...must slow thoughts down...brain
starting to smoke.

Seriously.

Dice rolls don't really seem necessary here. Arbitrary decisions
still have their place behind the GM screen. If the player is prone
to whining about their PC getting picked on, roll some random dice
and mumble over them convinvingly before telling them they are about
to be a daddy. If you really need a system...

Roll 1D6. On a result of 1, declare that complications may come from
this particular tryst. Have the PC roll an Open Body test and
compare results to the following chart (or one like it):

1> Double Jeopardy: PC has been exposed to an STD, AND impregnated
their partner or gotten pregnant.

2-4> Will It Go Away?: PC has been exposed to an STD.

5-7> See you in X months!: PC has impregnated partner or gotten
pregnant.

8+> Lucky Dog: Nothing happened...this time.

Allow karma rerolls. Allow PC to permanently burn a karma point to
automatically achieve an 8+.

Handle the STD/pregnancy any way you wish. Such things can make
interesting twists in the story line. Make sure dwarf PCs get some
sort of bonus in resisting/minimizing disease.

ALTERNATELY:

Roll this whole thing in secret, with no karma expenditure allowed.
Spring results where appropriate.

Personally, I would handle this situation a bit more arbitrarily.

But, pregnancy and disease are not the only repercussions of casual
sex. Just because Joe PC has moved on does NOT mean Jane NPC has.
She might harbour deep feelings, not the least of which could be
resentment. You want to make a PC paranoid, give them a stalker.
Not sure how far to carry this? Go rent "A Thin Line Between Love
And Hate" (Martin Lawrence). Or maybe hero worship. Being followed
around by an adoring man or woman with NO professional running skill,
but plenty of creativity, could provide numerous headaches for a
runner. And who says word does not get around about Mr. Womanizer.
Women talk. They compare notes. Believe it guys. Even in big
cities, people tend to have regular haunts. After a while, woman at
all of Joe PC's regular hangouts will be wise. One of them might
even play him back...hard (a la Boomerang).

Here is one method I used to create consequence for womanizing. A
few years back, I ran a game in which one of the PCs was an Adept of
impressive power and charisma. He had a long list of contacts mostly
women. He enjoyed numerous forays into the bedroom. And it kept
getting him in trouble. The first time, it was a free spirit who was
able to steal karma through the act of intercourse. She (it) later
conjured a "daughter", a lesser version of herself. The "daughter"
showed up, very eager to follow in her "mother's" footsteps. PC was
disturbed. Player was horrified. Later, he had an extensted
relationship with a woman of...interesting...tastes. Including
secretly filming her trysts. He learned of his unexpected starring
role when she hired the team to steal some datachips from her
employers. It was an easy run. She was a higher up in said
company's security. Seems her immediate superior had stolen her
collection of private videos for leverage purposes. She provided
excellent intel, and they recovered the chips. And just because they
were paranoid...watched a few. Much amusement on all parts...save,
of course, his. Especially when they delivered the chips and learned
that they were copies. Oh no! The crowning touch was when the team,
especially said adept, took a huge bite out of Mafia operations in
Redmond. Favors were called in, money exchanged hands, and an
assassin was called in. The adept's predilictions were well known,
so a female assassin was hired. The adept had foiled past attempts
on his life, so she was carefully groomed for the job. She entered
his life apparently by accident, and in about three months of game
time, was his girlfriend to the exclusion of all others. I played
her to the hilt, and both the player and PC swallowed the bait. I
admit to using a bit of a cliche, in that she really did start
falling for him. Seven months after they met, their relationship
finally became physical (yes, he was trying to make it special). The
adept even proposed. In the midst of a tense session where all the
PCs came under attack in their own safehouses, he awoke to find her
straddling his chest with a light pistol held a few centimeters from
his left eye. Crying. All the slack pulled out of the trigger. She
hesitated, of course, because she was falling for him as well. By
that point, a 5th or 6th grade intitiate, he managed to survive,
though he sustained some nasty damage to the eye and side of his
face. In saving himself, he caused severe damage to her, and she
slipped into a coma. That PC never dated again, and spent vast
amounts of money keeping the woman under top notch medical care for
the rest of the game. That player refused to have his PCs date at
all in the next two games I ran. He confided privately to me that he
felt pretty choked up and uncomfortable with the whole thing. And
that it was the best game session I'd ever run. I gave him the only
Karma point for Drama I think I've ever handed out.

Feel free to borrow any or all of the above Evil.

======Korishinzo
--of course, you could always ignore the womanizing of the PC, but
that would not be as fun :)

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Message no. 6
From: barbie@********.de (Barbie LeVile)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:19:32 +0100
On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:19:03 -0500
CirclMastr@***.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/4/2003 9:10:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> bandwidthoracle@*********.net writes:
>
> >
> >
> > One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer. I
> > wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
> > pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
> > deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.
> > Thanks
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------------
> > --------------
> > The duck raises an excellent point.
>
> Why bother with tests? Just dictate that certain women get pregnant when
> it's appropriate. Or that they all get pregnant.
>
> For true evilness, forget the pregnancy and go with an STD. Or the next
> time he takes a wound on a run, he loses a little piece of himself, maybe
> two. Or have him accidentally wander into a bar of a different
> persuasion.
>

how about: let him get on the wrong woman, who turns him into a woman using
magic and sells him to tamanus?
or let him run into a succubus, or a spirit disguised as woman.
or make the STD some kind of little alien style parasite that infests him
and grows


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Time to die.
Message no. 7
From: nichlas@****.dk (Nichlas Hummelsberger)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:01:47 +0100
Bandwidth Oracle wrote:
> One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer.
I
> wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
> pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
> deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.
> Thanks

Not to be anticlimatic or anything (no pun intented), but i'd always
supposed that protection from pregnancy would be REAL easy, like,
taking a pill that makes him/her incapable of making little babies..
and a pill to regain the ability if that was to be the case (like done
to military personel in Dan Simmons Hyperion if anyone read those
books)
Message no. 8
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 13:22:30 +0100
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At 13:01 05/02/2003 +0100, you wrote:

>Not to be anticlimatic or anything (no pun intented), but i'd always
>supposed that protection from pregnancy would be REAL easy, like,
>taking a pill that makes him/her incapable of making little babies..
>and a pill to regain the ability if that was to be the case (like done
>to military personel in Dan Simmons Hyperion if anyone read those
>books)

That was in Endymion actually (high natality is not a good thing
when nearly everyone is immortal). However I agree; it's kinda implied that
most (if not all) male characters will at least use condoms, so the player
will feel like you're abusing him. But put him in a situation where he
should not have any, and if he acknowledges that fact but still decides to
have sex (which he probably will)...
Nine months later, boom. Have fun. It's even better if the mother
is a woman of a different metatype from the character's, married to a man
of that same metatype (or yet another). Cause if mom and "dad" are norms,
the fact that the child is an elf will have... Interesting consequences.

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Message no. 9
From: nichlas@****.dk (Nichlas Hummelsberger)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:57:20 +0100
Max Noel wrote:
>> At 13:01 05/02/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>>> Not to be anticlimatic or anything (no pun intented), but i'd
always
>>> supposed that protection from pregnancy would be REAL easy, like,
>>> taking a pill that makes him/her incapable of making little
babies..
>>> and a pill to regain the ability if that was to be the case (like
>>> done to military personel in Dan Simmons Hyperion if anyone read
>>> those books)
>>
>> That was in Endymion actually (high natality is not a good
>> thing when nearly everyone is immortal).

In my head, it's a stream of books hanging together :) good ones :)

>> However I agree; it's kinda
>> implied that most (if not all) male characters will at least use
>> condoms, so the player will feel like you're abusing him. But put
>> him in a situation where he should not have any, and if he
>> acknowledges that fact but still decides to have sex (which he
>> probably will)...

Of course.. this guy probably isn't the responsible of the two, but i
was thinking that the female og the two would take precautions.. she
is the one ending up with high encumbrance.. medically she would have
loads of possibillities.

But hey.. if your an evil gm.. i don't know wich types he's into (yet
another pun not intended).

>> Nine months later, boom. Have fun. It's
>> even better if the mother is a woman of a different metatype from
>> the character's, married to a man of that same metatype (or yet
>> another). Cause if mom and "dad" are norms, the fact that the child
>> is an elf will have... Interesting consequences.

Evil... Reminds me of the novel "Changeling" .. the only one i've had
the chance to read.. there's that pregnant orc in that program..

>> Wild_Cat

Grrrau!
Message no. 10
From: mooseshagger@*******.com (Captain Canuck)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 05:27:06 -0800
He's a womanizer, he probably got her drunk, used Roofies, or some other
date rape drug, so she didn't have time to prepare the contraceptive. And
to a god-in-his-own mind, no woman could possibly resist him and no means
yes. Contraception be damned, he wouldn't be the type to care. Or maybe
she's an orthordox greek catholic who doesn't use birth control.

So she's pregnant. Give him an STD, cuz he deserves it. Make him resist
willpower (5) checks against scratching his crotch in the middle of a run.
Every five minutes. He also subconsciously scratches his crotch during
meets and social occasions. Give him a -1 Charisma just for fun, and
penalties to all social tests just because others are offending by his
constant feeling himself up.

Is he human? make her a troll, and make the child the stupidest, ugliest,
most foul smelling diarrhea generating lifeform he's ever encountered. Is
he an elf? Make the kid a dwarf.

I grew up in a predominantly greek, italian, and jewish neighbourhood when
I was a kid. You've never seen gang-fights the like of it. When you offend
one person in a greek family, you offend everyone in a greek family and the
next day, everyone from the 3month old toddler, to the 92 year grandmother
comes to give you the kicking of a lifetime.

If you're playing with flaws, give your player a dependent, and a clan of
enemies, and an affliction of some kind.

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Message no. 11
From: Gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:22:41 +0100
According to Bandwidth Oracle, on Wed, 05 Feb 2003 the word on the street was...

> One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer. I
> wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
> pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
> deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.

Why make a test? If you want to have the character become a father, just
<Picard>make it so</Picard> -- for example, just when they can't use it, like
a
few minutes before a meet with a Johnson, have a woman who's quite clearly
nine months pregnant come up to the character and tell him how he took some
finding, but she finally tracked him down...

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Message no. 12
From: Gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:27:09 +0100
According to Saren Johnson, on Wed, 05 Feb 2003 the word on the street was...

> Why not do the links up with a girl takes her back to his place and
> passes out. Next morning most of his "kewl" toys are gone.

I did something similar when some of the PCs went out to a nightclub and the
players were having quite a lot of fun pretending to be playboys. One of the
women they tried to chat up stole a PC's wallet, and they went to a fair
amount of trouble trying to find her again after she said she'd just go and
powder her nose, but then took a long time to return. They even asked the
club's bouncers if they'd seen her leave, and only when they were on the
street outside did they think to check their wallets :)

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Message no. 13
From: Gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:36:26 +0100
According to Max Noel, on Wed, 05 Feb 2003 the word on the street was...

> Nine months later, boom. Have fun. It's even better if the
> mother is a woman of a different metatype from the character's, married
> to a man of that same metatype (or yet another). Cause if mom and "dad"
> are norms, the fact that the child is an elf will have... Interesting
> consequences.

You could give the player a hint here by making sure to play Right Next
Door by the Robert Cray Band as background music just before you let the PC
find this out :)

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Message no. 14
From: davidb@****.imcprint.com (Graht)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:30:32 -0700
>Bandwidth Oracle Predicted: >>>
>>One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer.

Have you seen "The Crying Game"? <egmg>

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Message no. 15
From: talmeta@*******.net (Tal Meta)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:35:05 -0500
Bandwidth Oracle wrote:
> One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer. I
> wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
> pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
> deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.

Forget pregnancy. I played a womanizer in 'another' game system, and the
GM found a very unique way to curtail my activities.

First, he let my character get all the women he wanted.

Then, more often than not, he'd wake up the next morning to find them
dead in the bed besides him, often gruesomely mutilated.

All the divinatory spells in the world cleared me of the crimes, and
traces of dedetory drugs were always found in my system. Nobody was
holding my character -directly- responsible... but my character
developed a reputation that followed him for ages...

Turned out that my character had a half brother that he'd never known
about, who hated him for my successes with the ladies...

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Message no. 16
From: mooseshagger@*******.com (Captain Canuck)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:35:03 -0800
You could also pull one of those jobs where he wakes up the next morning in
an ice bath to discover his drinks were spiked, and he's missing a couple of
organs. That might make for an interesting adventure; it would proably
involve the tong, the triad, go-gangs, chops shops, and other organ leggers.





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Message no. 17
From: mamos@*****.com (Mike Amos)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:47:02 -0700
Since people are think of ways to screw with your womanizing character, do
any of the other characters have Syblings, Spouses, Significant others that
he has not met? If so let that happen. Let the other characters deal with
him on this. You sleep with the Street Sam's kid sister, that he practically
raised before he left the family to run in the shadows, and he still feels
guilty about his choice. That pretty much handles itself.

Now for something that is a little more of a stretch. HE's in some club that
has been recently purchased by a group of Vamps, to be their new hunting
grounds. He gets captured in the night while he sleeps with one of the
lesser vamps. The figure out his magical nature and decideto give him to
the leader as a gift. The leader of the vamps imprisons him. She/He offers
to either make him a vampto be his/her right hand man or he/she will slowly
drain him of life. This will give teh PC a choice to make and allow the
other PCs a chance at rescue.

Youcan do any number of variations on the theme, some ghoul tribe, spirits
to consume his magic, powerful blood magic circle.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bandwidth Oracle [mailto:bandwidthoracle@*********.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:10 PM
To: Shadowrun Discussion
Subject: Evil GM's required


One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer. I
wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.
Thanks
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The duck raises an excellent point.
Message no. 18
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Evil GM's required
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 18:59:09 +0000
At 02:10 AM 5/2/2003, Bandwidth Oracle wrote:
>One of the characters in a game I'm running is a bit of a womanizer. I
>wonder are there any evil GM's out there who have house rules for
>pregnancy? If not do you think a hidden essence test is fair? He
>deserves to pay child support and I'm not creative enough.

If the PC is taking precautions (i.e. in this case if the player forgets to
tell you that their character is taking precautions then the character was
distracted while reaching for his stock of nodders, it happens) and it
doesn't impact on your players enjoyment of the game then let it go.
On the other hand nodders (condoms) are IIRC only 99.something% effective,
the pill is only 98.something%.
So if it will enhance your game simply decide that some of the women he's
sleeping with aren't protected, for whatever reason, maybe they'll even lie
about whether they are. Suddenly he's got a problem.

Something to consider though is will this problem you've presented actually
be seen as a problem by the character? or are they simply going to walk
away from it.

An alternative depends on your player being able to play it (and at this
point I'd like to declare a conflict of interest; my primary character has
the highest charisma in the team (primarily because he likes people, he has
a contact list which fills a side of A4 (and that's with a few words of
description Kori, not the short paragraph Bast's have)) and the "Good
Looking and Knows it" edge.) One of our other GMs dropped something in his
lap which threw him a curveball recently and I'm really enjoying playing it.
He threw in a passing reference to one of my character's contacts' contacts
(friend of a friend by the rules) just before the contact ate a sniper's
bullet. I made a note and the character did a little downtime legwork (I'm
always on the look-out for opportunities to increase his contact list) and
tracked this "Miss Johnson" down... only to discover that she was far
better at this than him. She managed to engineer a meeting while making it
seem as if he was the one doing the engineering. She was described as a
knockout and I'm informed as an OOC aside (we do that, a mix of information
and disinformation sown out of character can do wonders for the player's
confusion and paranoia levels) that she's got tailored pheromones,
Seduction as an active skill in its own right and numerous other edges. The
first meeting was a mix of probes from my character and mixed signals, no
signals and business on her part. That drove him crazy and he refuses to
admit that she can have him wrap himself around her little finger. He's
even turned down a paying 'run (good job too, apparently the GM didn't have
one written :-) ) to plan (yes not to do anything just to plan) and do
legwork for their next meeting.

So after rambling for a while hopefully I've given you an idea.


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