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Message no. 1
From: Allan Petersen <ap@******.DK>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:14:49 +0100
Digest copy:

<snip>

>Corp A surgically removes a basilisk's eyelids (using a microsurgery
drone
>with electronic sensors that don't allow the vision power to activate).
>They then attach a fiber optic link with glass lenses directly over the
eye,
>so that the eye can always be displayed on a monitor.

<snip>

>Whenever unauthorized people are detected in the corridor, the rigger
can
>immediately activate the switch, and subject the occupants of the
hallway to
>the basilisk's gaze.

Well, if this is not GM munchkinism i don't know what.

First, a baslilisk's gaze is a critter power the basilisk use to hunt or
defend itself with, it is not ON all the time. A hearth spirit doesn't
conceal something all the time. If it is ON all the time then:

Basilisk looks up and 100 stone swans crashes to the ground, basilisk looks=

left and an ant hill looses all its workers etc. what pollution can't take
care of the basilisk will. If a basilisk is hooked up on a fiber optic link=

why should it activate its power, there is nothing to eat, no threats to it=
s
existence.

<snip>

>Why not just place the basailisk itself behind a heavy buuletproof glass
>at the end of the corridor? Probably much cheaper. I don't think

Again if the barrier between the PC's and the critter is so strong that the=

PC's can't get access to the critter or vice versa, the critter do not
consider the PC's a meal or a threat! Remember most animals don't have as
good a depth perception as humans. Plasteel glass will function much like a=

television screen. How many dogs, cats etc. have you seen become preoccupie=
d
with a television set, no smell no sound i.e. nothing to eat.

allan
Denmark
Message no. 2
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:05:29 -0400
>Well, if this is not GM munchkinism i don't know what.

Hee -hee ... He don't know me very well? Do he?
I guess it's corp muchkinism to protect their assets as best they can then
too? ;-)
"Hey guys, Boss says we can't use these sentry guns in the hallway. Turns
out we'd be munchkins!"
IMO there is no such thing as GM Munchkinism. Play with the group I run for
awhile, then give me an opinion.

>First, a baslilisk's gaze is a critter power the basilisk use to hunt or
>defend itself with, it is not ON all the time. A hearth spirit doesn't
>conceal something all the time. If it is ON all the time then:

>Basilisk looks up and 100 stone swans crashes to the ground, basilisk looks
>left and an ant hill looses all its workers etc. what pollution can't take
>care of the basilisk will. If a basilisk is hooked up on a fiber optic link
>why should it activate its power, there is nothing to eat, no threats to
its
>existence.

Umm ... you get this info from exactly where?
I've never seen anything statting that a basilisk EATS stone, so I highly
doubt that the gaze attack is used for HUNTING.
Also, you seem to have misinterpreted how the power works.
AFAIK it IS always on. However, the power isn't actiated by the basilisk
looking at something, only when another creature makes EYE CONTACT with the
basilisk. Re-read the critter section.

As for the other comment that the image would be dim unless brightly lit.
You've never heard of light ampilfication?

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
Laughing in the face of Munchkinism.
Message no. 3
From: Sebastion Wires <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:19:30 PDT
>From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
>Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET


>As for the other comment that the image would be dim unless brightly
lit.
>You've never heard of light ampilfication?
>

I think that was my comment, regarding how creting a large OPTICAL image
of the basilisk eye would requireit to be quite bruitely lit, blinding
the lizard;

Well, in a dark coridor, a caracter with good lowlight might make
out the image, but that's a pretty lame security mesure then. If your
talking about amplifieng the light of the image itself, trough some sort
of booster- then whats the point of the silly fiber optic system? Just
run a vid of a basilisks eye, it'll work just as "well". Manipulating
the image that way would ruin the whole point.

Mongoose



>Steven A. Tinner
>bluewizard@*****.com
>http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
>Laughing in the face of Munchkinism.
>


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Message no. 4
From: Jeremiah Stevens <jeremiah@********.EDU>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:43:14 -0400
> Well, in a dark coridor, a caracter with good lowlight might make
> out the image, but that's a pretty lame security mesure then. If your
> talking about amplifieng the light of the image itself, trough some sort
> of booster- then whats the point of the silly fiber optic system? Just
> run a vid of a basilisks eye, it'll work just as "well". Manipulating
> the image that way would ruin the whole point.
>
> Mongoose
>
IIRC, magic cannot be used through electronically enhancement devices.
Therefore, artificial enhancement of the Basilisk's eye would render its
magical critter power useless. Fiber-optics only work because they do not
change the nature of the light as it is viewed through line of sight.
IMHO, allowing fiber-optic line of sight is pretty munchie, as a PC mage
could simply stay out of the line of fire and cast spells with a
fiber-optic periscope.
Message no. 5
From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 00:08:34 +0000
On 9 Oct 97, Jeremiah Stevens disseminated foul capitalist
propaganda by writing:

<snip>
> would render its magical critter power useless. Fiber-optics only
> work because they do not change the nature of the light as it is

As do the mirrors and (as a logical extension of mirrors and
fiber-optics) prisms.

> viewed through line of sight. IMHO, allowing fiber-optic line of
> sight is pretty munchie, as a PC mage could simply stay out of the
> line of fire and cast spells with a fiber-optic periscope.

He could also use the standard, make-one-yourself-with-two-mirrors,
simple periscope... Or even the prismatic one... Or those funny
military binoculars/periscopes (used to look out from the
trenches)...

Hmmm... Hmmm... That's definitively worth looking into!


Mike (Leszek Karlik) - trrkt@*****.onet.pl; http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike
FL/GN Leszek/Raptor II/ISD Vanguard, (SS) (PC) (ISM) {IWATS-IIC} JH(Sith)/House Scholae
Palatinae
Potassium ethoxide rules C2H3OK!
Message no. 6
From: Czar Eggbert <czregbrt@*********.EDU>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:17:49 -0500
On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Jeremiah Stevens wrote:

> > Well, in a dark coridor, a caracter with good lowlight might make
> > out the image, but that's a pretty lame security mesure then. If your
> > talking about amplifieng the light of the image itself, trough some sort
> > of booster- then whats the point of the silly fiber optic system? Just
> > run a vid of a basilisks eye, it'll work just as "well". Manipulating
> > the image that way would ruin the whole point.
> >
> > Mongoose
> >
> IIRC, magic cannot be used through electronically enhancement devices.
> Therefore, artificial enhancement of the Basilisk's eye would render its
> magical critter power useless. Fiber-optics only work because they do not
> change the nature of the light as it is viewed through line of sight.
> IMHO, allowing fiber-optic line of sight is pretty munchie, as a PC mage
> could simply stay out of the line of fire and cast spells with a
> fiber-optic periscope.
>
You mean you don't already? My first mage char, QuizWiz, use to use an old
toy periscope to cast through in SR1. It made things quite fun... I always
found the ability to cast with mirrors fun... Kinda reminded me of todays
Magic...

"Its all done wih mirrors!"
-=>QuizWiz

BTW QW died in a horriable accident when a opposing mage had vision mag
and sent a spell down the periscope directly into his eye :)

-=>Czar<=-


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Message no. 7
From: David Mezerette <mezeretted@*****.U-NANCY.FR>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 09:49:37 +0100
At 12:05 09/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Well, if this is not GM munchkinism i don't know what.
>
>Hee -hee ... He don't know me very well? Do he?
>I guess it's corp muchkinism to protect their assets as best they can then
>too? ;-)
>"Hey guys, Boss says we can't use these sentry guns in the hallway. Turns
>out we'd be munchkins!"
>IMO there is no such thing as GM Munchkinism. Play with the group I run for
>awhile, then give me an opinion.
>
>>First, a baslilisk's gaze is a critter power the basilisk use to hunt or
>>defend itself with, it is not ON all the time. A hearth spirit doesn't
>>conceal something all the time. If it is ON all the time then:
>
>>Basilisk looks up and 100 stone swans crashes to the ground, basilisk looks
>>left and an ant hill looses all its workers etc. what pollution can't take
>>care of the basilisk will. If a basilisk is hooked up on a fiber optic link
>>why should it activate its power, there is nothing to eat, no threats to
>its
>>existence.
>
>Umm ... you get this info from exactly where?
>I've never seen anything statting that a basilisk EATS stone, so I highly
>doubt that the gaze attack is used for HUNTING.
>Also, you seem to have misinterpreted how the power works.
>AFAIK it IS always on. However, the power isn't actiated by the basilisk
>looking at something, only when another creature makes EYE CONTACT with the
>basilisk. Re-read the critter section.
>
>As for the other comment that the image would be dim unless brightly lit.
>You've never heard of light ampilfication?
>
ok for the light amplification, but the only light amp systems i know are
electronic and, as such, don't mix, don't mix at all, w/ magical powers...
another solution?

ChYlD
mezeretted@*****.u-nancy.fr
Message no. 8
From: David Mezerette <mezeretted@*****.U-NANCY.FR>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:11:59 +0100
>IIRC, magic cannot be used through electronically enhancement devices.
>Therefore, artificial enhancement of the Basilisk's eye would render its
>magical critter power useless. Fiber-optics only work because they do not
>change the nature of the light as it is viewed through line of sight.
>IMHO, allowing fiber-optic line of sight is pretty munchie, as a PC mage
>could simply stay out of the line of fire and cast spells with a
>fiber-optic periscope.

By the way, does anyone know what is the range of an optic fibers system,
w/out electronic amplification.?

ChYlD
mezeretted@*****.u-nancy.fr
>
Message no. 9
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:52:31 -0400
<SNIP a bunch of stuff that should have been snipped already!>

>>As for the other comment that the image would be dim unless brightly lit.
>>You've never heard of light ampilfication?
>>
>ok for the light amplification, but the only light amp systems i know are

^^^^^^
>electronic and, as such, don't mix, don't mix at all, w/ magical powers...
>another solution?

As you say that only ones you know.
There most certainly are optical only LA systems.

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Waxing pathetic"
Message no. 10
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:29:00 GMT
on 10.10.97 mezeretted@*****.U-NANCY.FR wrote:
m> By the way, does anyone know what is the range of an optic fibers system,
m> w/out electronic amplification.?

According to the CSH it's 2500m.



Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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t+(++) 5+ X++ R* tv b++ DI(+) D++ G>++
e>+++++(*) h! r-- z?
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Message no. 11
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:57:00 GMT
on 09.10.97 bluewizard@*****.COM wrote:

b> >Well, if this is not GM munchkinism i don't know what.
b>
b> Hee -hee ... He don't know me very well? Do he?
b> I guess it's corp muchkinism to protect their assets as best they can then
b> too? ;-)
b> "Hey guys, Boss says we can't use these sentry guns in the hallway. Turns
b> out we'd be munchkins!"
b> IMO there is no such thing as GM Munchkinism.

No? Well, see some GM I know. He usually writes NPC (even those, who are
additions to the group) that are so powerful (stuff like a killer-elf with
4 skills 10+ in a karma 1 group), they are completly unrealistic. I call
that GM munchkinism. (Or how about all those incredibly powerful weapons
that all the NPCs have, but no PC can ever get?)


Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

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GAT/CS/S/IT d--- s+:- !a>? C++(++++)
UL++(++++) P+ L++ E W+ N+(+++) o? K?(-)
w---() O- M-- V- PS+ PE- Y+>++ PGP-
t+(++) 5+ X++ R* tv b++ DI(+) D++ G>++
e>+++++(*) h! r-- z?
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Message no. 12
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 08:55:34 -0400
>b> IMO there is no such thing as GM Munchkinism.
>
>No? Well, see some GM I know. He usually writes NPC (even those, who are
>additions to the group) that are so powerful (stuff like a killer-elf with
>4 skills 10+ in a karma 1 group), they are completly unrealistic. I call
>that GM munchkinism. (Or how about all those incredibly powerful weapons
>that all the NPCs have, but no PC can ever get?)
>
>
>Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ummm ... you're playing a werepanther physad, and you're complaining about
some 10+skills?!?!?
Hey, if you were in my game, I'd make sure you faced a lot of guys with
PAC's!

Steven A. Tinner
bluewizard@*****.com
http://www.ncweb.com/users/bluewizard
"Waxing pathetic"
Message no. 13
From: Timothy Little <t_little@**********.UTAS.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:32:08 +1100
At 10:11 AM 10/10/97 +0100, ChYlD wrote:

>By the way, does anyone know what is the range of an optic fibers system,
>w/out electronic amplification.?

Real life, Indefinite. There are pure optical amplification systems in
existence today.

In Shadowrun, 2.5km IIRC (I don't have Corp Sec handy).

--
Little One
Message no. 14
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:33:00 GMT
on 10.10.97 bluewizard@*****.COM wrote:

b> >>As for the other comment that the image would be dim unless brightly lit.
b> >>You've never heard of light ampilfication?
b> >>
b> >ok for the light amplification, but the only light amp systems i know are
b>
b> ^^^^^^
b> >electronic and, as such, don't mix, don't mix at all, w/ magical powers...
b> >another solution?
b>
b> As you say that only ones you know.
b> There most certainly are optical only LA systems.

There are, but they are a bit hugh and unparactical. The way they work (at
least all I know) is that they focus the light and thus make the image
brighter and smaller.
Oh yeah: Just point a flashlight at the LA-unit and the user will be blind
(permanently) as the light burns aways the nerves...



Tobias Berghoff a.k.a Zixx a.k.a. Charon, your friendly werepanther physad.

-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK------------
GAT/CS/S/IT d--- s+:- !a>? C++(++++)
UL++(++++) P+ L++ E W+ N+(+++) o? K?(-)
w---() O- M-- V- PS+ PE- Y+>++ PGP-
t+(++) 5+ X++ R* tv b++ DI(+) D++ G>++
e>+++++(*) h! r-- z?
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Message no. 15
From: David Mezerette <mezeretted@*****.U-NANCY.FR>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:02:52 +0100
At 14:33 11/10/97 GMT, you wrote:
>on 10.10.97 bluewizard@*****.COM wrote:
>
>b> >>As for the other comment that the image would be dim unless brightly
lit.
>b> >>You've never heard of light ampilfication?
>b> >>
>b> >ok for the light amplification, but the only light amp systems i know are
>b>
>b> ^^^^^^
>b> >electronic and, as such, don't mix, don't mix at all, w/ magical powers...
>b> >another solution?
>b>
>b> As you say that only ones you know.
>b> There most certainly are optical only LA systems.
>
>There are, but they are a bit hugh and unparactical. The way they work (at
>least all I know) is that they focus the light and thus make the image
>brighter and smaller.
>Oh yeah: Just point a flashlight at the LA-unit and the user will be blind
>(permanently) as the light burns aways the nerves...
>
>
>
ok, but as far as i remmeber, the point was to make the image brighter AND
bigger, something like a basilic's eye covering a whole wall...

ChYlD
mezeretted@*****.u-nancy.fr
Message no. 16
From: Allan Petersen <ap@******.DK>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:12:38 +0100
Hi

I've been on vacation for a week but here goes.

>>Well, if this is not GM munchkinism i don't know what.

>I guess it's corp muchkinism to protect their assets as best they can then
>too? ;-)

Of course they do.

<snip>

>>First, a baslilisk's gaze is a critter power the basilisk use to hunt or
>>defend itself with, it is not ON all the time. A hearth spirit doesn't
>>conceal something all the time. If it is ON all the time then:

>>Basilisk looks up and 100 stone swans crashes to the ground, basilisk
looks
>>left and an ant hill looses all its workers etc. what pollution can't tak=
e
>>care of the basilisk will. If a basilisk is hooked up on a fiber optic
link
>>why should it activate its power, there is nothing to eat, no threats to
its
>>existence.

>Umm ... you get this info from exactly where?
>I've never seen anything statting that a basilisk EATS stone, so I highly
>doubt that the gaze attack is used for HUNTING.
>Also, you seem to have misinterpreted how the power works.
>AFAIK it IS always on. However, the power isn't actiated by the basilisk
>looking at something, only when another creature makes EYE CONTACT with th=
e
>basilisk. Re-read the critter section.

The information is common sense which i use a lot ;-) because i try to
make my SR world believable. If a Basilisk's gaze is ON all the time there
will be A LOT of stone statues out in the wildernes and the Basilisk will b=
e
a threat to nature comparable to toxic dumps etc. Maybe you found my exambl=
e
a bit too extreme. But a beaver, a squirrel, a bird, a deer and a fox per
Basilisk each and every day of the year will amount to a lot of
stonestatues.

>Steven A. Tinner

allan
Denmark
Message no. 17
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@***.BRISNET.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:26:16 +1000
(I think) Tinner wrote:
>Umm ... you get this info from exactly where?
>I've never seen anything statting that a basilisk EATS stone, so I highly
>doubt that the gaze attack is used for HUNTING.

p 222 BBB 'It is believed that in some unknown way the minerals in the
victim's body are vital to the creature's metabolism'. That sounds like it
means when calcified, though it does not say so, so I would say that it is
used to hunt.

allan wrote:
>The information is common sense which i use a lot ;-) because i try to
>make my SR world believable. If a Basilisk's gaze is ON all the time there
>will be A LOT of stone statues out in the wildernes and the Basilisk will be

>a threat to nature comparable to toxic dumps etc. Maybe you found my examble

>a bit too extreme. But a beaver, a squirrel, a bird, a deer and a fox per
>Basilisk each and every day of the year will amount to a lot of
>stonestatues.

I have top agree here, as it can only have a number of calcified victims
equal to it's essence. So that would mean that if it was on all the time,
the power would be real strange, as it would calcify things here and there,
but then it would calcify something else, and the earlier victims would turn
to normal.

I guess that it uses it's power to hunt, and then eats it's victim, so that
it can then calcify further victims later on when it needs to.

NightRain.

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Message no. 18
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:51:07 -0400
At 10:12 AM 10/20/97 +0100, Allan Petersen <ap@******.DK>
wrote:

>
>>Umm ... you get this info from exactly where?
>>I've never seen anything statting that a basilisk EATS stone, so I highly
>>doubt that the gaze attack is used for HUNTING.
>>Also, you seem to have misinterpreted how the power works.
>>AFAIK it IS always on. However, the power isn't actiated by the basilisk
>>looking at something, only when another creature makes EYE CONTACT with the
>>basilisk. Re-read the critter section.
>
>The information is common sense which i use a lot ;-) because i try to
>make my SR world believable. If a Basilisk's gaze is ON all the time there
>will be A LOT of stone statues out in the wildernes and the Basilisk will be
>a threat to nature comparable to toxic dumps etc. Maybe you found my examble
>a bit too extreme. But a beaver, a squirrel, a bird, a deer and a fox per
>Basilisk each and every day of the year will amount to a lot of
>stonestatues.
>
>>Steven A. Tinner

The catch is that animals hate to make eye contact. It is (usually) a sign
of agression, and many animals will go to great lengths to avoid eye
contact. This is certainly true for dogs, and I imagine it then applies to
many other animals (I could be wrong). If this is the case, then the only
animals that will be caught in the gaze of a basilisk are those who are in
the process of challenging it, and those pesky shadowrunners who tend to
stare their opponents down. Squirrels, beavers, etc would probably be much
more occupied with fleeing from a predator rather than staring fondly into
its eyes.

--DT
Message no. 19
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:04:36 EST
> The catch is that animals hate to make eye contact. It is (usually)
> a sign of agression, and many animals will go to great lengths to
> avoid eye contact. This is certainly true for dogs, and I imagine

Applies for many animals? Yes. But what is "eye contact"? I
imagine that in the game, if you see the B's eyes, you're granite
(sorry Granite). I mean, you're a stiff (ha ha). Seeing eyes and
maintaining eye contact is a vastly different thing. I see lots of
peoples eyes. Eye contact as you're calling it happens when you get
caught staring.

-=SwiftOne=-
Message no. 20
From: David Thompson <david.s.thompson@****.EDU>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:20:06 -0400
At 06:04 PM 10/20/97 EST, you wrote:
>> The catch is that animals hate to make eye contact. It is (usually)
>> a sign of agression, and many animals will go to great lengths to
>> avoid eye contact. This is certainly true for dogs, and I imagine
>
>Applies for many animals? Yes. But what is "eye contact"? I
>imagine that in the game, if you see the B's eyes, you're granite
>(sorry Granite). I mean, you're a stiff (ha ha). Seeing eyes and
>maintaining eye contact is a vastly different thing. I see lots of
>peoples eyes. Eye contact as you're calling it happens when you get
>caught staring.
>

I'm thinking along the lines of Medusa myths, where eye contact means it
has to be mutual -- you don't just see their eyes, but each looks at the
others at the same time. With that definition, my point holds. Reading
the definition in the BBB, it says the victim must "meet the being's eyes."
Also, the effects are not that the victim is literally turned to stone,
but petrified -- unable to take any actions except trying to break the
spell. Under the description of the Basilisk, it does imply that the
victim is turned to stone though. Anyway, mutual eye contact is the
requirement, and that is exactly what many animals, IMO, avoid (esp
herbivores that would instantly flee from a predator).

--DT
Message no. 21
From: Ray & Tamara <macey@***.BRISNET.ORG.AU>
Subject: Re: Evil Security Measures aka Grimtooth
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:04:01 +1000
DT wrote:
> I'm thinking along the lines of Medusa myths, where eye contact means it
> has to be mutual -- you don't just see their eyes, but each looks at the
> others at the same time. With that definition, my point holds. Reading
> the definition in the BBB, it says the victim must "meet the being's eyes."
> Also, the effects are not that the victim is literally turned to stone,
> but petrified -- unable to take any actions except trying to break the
> spell. Under the description of the Basilisk, it does imply that the
> victim is turned to stone though. Anyway, mutual eye contact is the

The petrifying gaze power in PAoE power states that 'if the character rolls
no successes on the test, he turns to stone. Period.' So it is definitive
that the power does more than just 'freeze' the target.

NightRain.

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