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Message no. 1
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Exclusivity? (Re: Sustaining Spells Astrally?)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 19:25:55 EST
In a message dated 97-12-22 15:58:00 EST, TalonMail@***.com writes:

> Entering or leaving the astral plane via astral projection is an Exclusive
> magical activity, Gurth (I believe) pointed out. So you cannot be
sustaining
> any spells (or performing any other magical activities) while going astral
> or
> returning to your physical body. You CAN cast spells in astral space and
> sustain them, but you have to drop them to get back into your body.

Interesting then...how about a ruling on Spiritual Assistance then? Can a
magician cast a spell, give it to a spirit (Ally or Elemental or Free Spirit),
Project, and then "reclaim" the magic? Sorcery Tests would be necessary,
IMHO.

> Also, IMHO, astrally projecting is considered a "magical activity," so
being
> in astral form prevents you from performing other Exclusive magical feats,
> like casting Exclusive spells or summoning spirits. You can still perform
> other, non-exclusive, magical feats (like casting normal spells).

Uh guys, I have something to point out...after rereading Spirits, Conjuring,
and Entities sections in Awakenings, BBB, and the Grimoire, I cannot find the
statement that "Conjuring" is an Esclusive Action". I found the part
stating
that "Banishing" is treated as an Exclusive Action, but not the other way
around. I can see where it would be hard to do...but not because it is
Exclusive....

Examples....Nature Spirits and Spirits of Man are hard to conjure multiple
kinds of at one time, because the Shamanic Magician must have determined a
"Source" or "Origin" Domain that s/he is working within. The rules as
they
stand are NOT written well enough to explain Natural Domain Overlap (you can
be on a Mountain, within a Forest, beneath the Sky all at once, any of which
are obtained/conjurable). And, you can only conjure (call upon) one
particular nature spirit of a given type (Watchers are not mentioned in the
text for these purposes either, just to point out), unless Great Form Spirits
are involved.

Elementals require the summoning Hermetic Magician to be working within a
particular category of Circle at a given time. Again, the option (advanced
rules for advanced beings?) of overlapping certain elementalities are not
mentioned. It would be interesting to see the magicians' efforst were he to
try and conjure multiple elementals at one given time. Perhaps not more force
points in beings than the total rating of the Circle??? Instead of one spirit
of force 6 for example, the magician suddenly has a Force 4 and a Force 2.

Free Spirits??? Those rules need massive help IMHO.
-K

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