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Message no. 1
From: William Monroe Ashe <wma6617@*******.tamu.edu>
Subject: FAB, shrubbery, and spells
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:46:34 -0500 (CDT)
I think that I may have painted myself into a corner. IMHO FAB
is alive, and therefore has an aura. So one "should" be able to ground
a spell from the astral into the real world FAB. My error was in that in
the astral there would be no way to zap the wall. The wall has no aura.
I suppose that one could push his/her astral hand through the
wall and "touch" the FAB and lay the Slay FAB spell that way.

regards
Bill

Get back in the drawer, sock boy
-Brak (Space Ghost Coast to Coast or was it Cartoon Planet)
Message no. 2
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: FAB, shrubbery, and spells
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:03:57 -0600 (MDT)
William Monroe Ashe wrote:
|
|(FAB)
|is alive, and therefore has an aura. So one "should" be able to ground
|a spell from the astral into the real world FAB. My error was in that in
|the astral there would be no way to zap the wall. The wall has no aura.
| I suppose that one could push his/her astral hand through the
|wall and "touch" the FAB and lay the Slay FAB spell that way.

You can't ground through an aura. You can only ground
through a dual natured being (astrally percieving people,
elementals, spirits, dragons, etc.) or item (foci). (I am
not going to get into the debate on grounding through
spells, whether sustained, quickened or... whatever the
third category is.) Dual natured means that something is
on both the physical and the astral at the same time. FAB
is not dual natured.

The auras of living things can be seen from the astral but
exist soley on the physical. And, for some reason, auras
block movement on the astral (I don't know why, maybe
something to do with Astral quantum mechanics). BTW, FAB
is a gimicky thing that isn't needed to trap a mage. Walls
covered with moss would do the same thing.

-David

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Message no. 3
From: readle.cr@**.com
Subject: Re: FAB, shrubbery, and spells
Date: 4 Sep 96 11:14:00 -0400
is alive, and therefore has an aura. So one "should" be able to ground
a spell from the astral into the real world FAB. My error was in that in
the astral there would be no way to zap the wall. The wall has no aura.
I suppose that one could push his/her astral hand through the
wall and "touch" the FAB and lay the Slay FAB spell that way.

regards
Bill

Just because something has a aura does not mean that it is astrally active.
An astrally projecting mage cannot affect a non astral entity. That is why
putting spell locks on mundanes is SUPREMELY stupid. It makes them
vulnerable to attacks from astral space but there is nothing that they can
do to defend themselves.

chris
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Message no. 4
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: FAB, shrubbery, and spells
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:23:39 -0700
William Monroe Ashe wrote:
>
> is alive, and therefore has an aura. So one "should" be able to ground
> a spell from the astral into the real world FAB. My error was in that in
> the astral there would be no way to zap the wall. The wall has no aura.
> I suppose that one could push his/her astral hand through the
> wall and "touch" the FAB and lay the Slay FAB spell that way.
>
> regards
> Bill

You can't ground a spell through something just because it's alive and
has an aura. It still has to have a presence on the astral plane.
Otherwise your astrally projecting mages would be going monkey-crazy and
pumping spells into your mundanes while sitting untouchable on the
etheric plane...
@>-,--'--- Loki

CLARKE'S THIRD LAW:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.


Poisoned Elves http://www.netzone.com/~loki/
Message no. 5
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: FAB, shrubbery, and spells
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:46:20 +0100
William Monroe Ashe said on 8:46/ 4 Sep 96...

Sorry, but how many times do we have to say this: don't start the first
line with a space or a tab, it'll get chopped off.

> is alive, and therefore has an aura. So one "should" be able to ground
> a spell from the astral into the real world FAB. My error was in that in
> the astral there would be no way to zap the wall. The wall has no aura.
> I suppose that one could push his/her astral hand through the
> wall and "touch" the FAB and lay the Slay FAB spell that way.

You're wrong on two two counts here: the FAB has an aura, yes. But so does
the wall. The difference is that the wall's aura is entirely passive (the
wall is "dead"), while the FAB has the aura of a living creature -- i.e.
you can't go through it when you're astrally projecting.

However, just because something has a living aura does not mean you can
ground through it. It has to have a dual-natured aura for that to happen
(active on both the physical and astral planes). A dual-natured critter as
such an aura, as does an astrally perceiving magician. FAB does not; if it
had, it would be counter-productive because any magician with a Fireball
combat spell could waste all the FAB in a room and not be worried by it at
all.

Pushing your hand through the wall and "touching" the FAB is possinble,
but you cannot cast a spell at it that way, because it has no astrally
active aura.

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