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Message no. 1
From: "Mike Mulvihill (FASA)" <FASAMike@***.COM>
Subject: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 21:03:05 -0500
In a message dated 12/11/96 5:20:26 PM, Granite wrote:

>What I want to know
>is when is FASA-I going to produce a BTech movie??? I have a copy of
>the test art tape for the cartoon and the first part is right on up
>there with Babylon5 for quality...This was not a ploy to restart the
>"Who would be good in a Btech movie" thread...

Trust me we would like nothing more than to have a FASA film (either SR or
BT) produced into a movie. The problem is not us...really, it's Hollywood. BT
stuff has been floating around Hollywood for years, pitches have been made,
lunches done, hands shaken and still no real activity. Right now most of
Hollywood is scared to put out any Sci-Fi because Lucas and the Star Wars
machine is really going to take home the big nuyen over most of 1997 even
though the films are re-releases. No one wants to compete directly with them
(supposedly that's why Fist Contact was pushed to be a winter release and not
a Spring one) and no one knows what kind of "legs" they will have -- exactly
how long they will be in theatres. Plus with the second trilogy (or is it
considered to be the first) being worked on, most studios want super big
names to be in production...look for sequels, remakes, and "classic" Sci-Fi
fiction to be made into films -- while cool concepts and worlds like SR and
BT to be long shots. On the other hand a big increase in science fiction
exposure always looks good. Meanwhile, FASA will continue to press Hollywood
for our worlds, hopefully someday we'll be plunking down our cash to see a
FASA film.

Have Fun!
Play Games!

Mike Mulvihill
Shadowrun Line Developer
FASA
See our web page at www.fasa.com
Message no. 2
From: Richard Jury <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 19:46:41 -0700
At 21:03 12/11/96 -0500, FASAMike wrote:

>Trust me we would like nothing more than to have a FASA film (either SR or
>BT) produced into a movie.
<snip reasons>
>Mike Mulvihill

I'm not too sure how I feel on a BT or SR movie being made. I don't know
all that much about BT to be honest, except it has too many supplements ;)
I obviously would go see a SR movie if it came out, but I honestly don't
think any company could do justice on it, especially in the plotline. Try
fitting a SR novel into 90-120 minutes. Even the short story in the main
rulebook would be hard to fit into 90 minutes. I think it would probably
fit better into a TV series, but the chances of that happening are, I
imagine, rather poor. But if FASA ever does get it off the ground, more
power to you, and I'll be watching :)

Fro
Message no. 3
From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" <Scott.E.Meyer@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 22:24:28 -0600
On Wed, 11 Dec 1996, Richard Jury wrote:

> At 21:03 12/11/96 -0500, FASAMike wrote:
>
> >Trust me we would like nothing more than to have a FASA film (either SR or
> >BT) produced into a movie.
> <snip reasonn
>
[snip BT stuff]
> I obviously would go see a SR movie if it came out, but I honestly don't
> think any company could do justice on it, especially in the plotline. Try
> fitting a SR novel into 90-120 minutes. Even the short story in the main
> rulebook would be hard to fit into 90 minutes. I think it would probably
> fit better into a TV series, but the chances of that happening are, I
> imagine, rather poor. But if FASA ever does get it off the ground, more
> power to you, and I'll be watching :)

How about a mini-series?

---------------------------------------
I used to think I was indecisive. Now, I'm not so sure.

Scott "Q" Meyer
Scott.E.Meyer@*******.edu
http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer
Message no. 4
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 23:25:00 -0700
> From: "Mike Mulvihill (FASA)" <FASAMike@***.COM>

> Trust me we would like nothing more than to have a FASA film (either SR or
> BT) produced into a movie. The problem is not us...really,

Oh..I believe it..The guys that do all the work want a sure thing..in
a world where there are simply no such things..Well OK StarTrek and
Star Wars are the only sure things going..But otherwise there is no
such thing..And ST and SW can ruin things for themselves..If they try
hard enough..

Perhaps like the others have said TV is the medium that has the most
hope for BT or SR..Although I doubt SR could be done on the little
screen..Too many makeup FX..Although BT has a chance..Look at Babylon
5 I never thought this one would make it after the original Pilot
aired and for a long time I thought I was right..Until a year or so
later when whith a little more polish and some uniform changes they
returned and have been around for quite some time..And now there are
only a handful of programs worth watching on TV..Well I'll tell you
no matter the arena a FASA movie takes you can count me in..I'll see
it before it goes to the dollar shows and then when it comes out on
tape I'll buy that too..

>Right now most of
> Hollywood is scared to put out any Sci-Fi because Lucas and the Star Wars
> machine is really going to take home the big nuyen over most of 1997 even
> though the films are re-releases. No one wants to compete directly with them

That makes sense in it's own way..What gets me is everyone is afraid
of a re-release [no matter how much improved] and there were no less
than 5 new movies competing on the release night of First Contact..My
wife and I stood in line for over an hour in the pouring rain no less
and were not even close to the front of the line..I would do no less
for a FASA movie..

>......no one knows what kind of "legs" they will have -- exactly
> how long they will be in theatres.

There is no telling on this one..Look at BraveHeart..It was in the
theatres forever..Who would have thought Scottish history would
captivate American audiences so...I loved it...

> Plus with the second trilogy (or is it
> considered to be the first)

A prequel...

> On the other hand a big increase in science fiction
> exposure always looks good.

It is picking the lock instead of busting down the door..When
Hollywood is ready for some fresh ideas You guys will be there...And
the boxoffice will be primed for it...
-------------------------------GRANITE
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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
Message no. 5
From: Mark McLaughlin <mmclaugh@*******.EENG.DCU.IE>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:53:22 -0800
Q (not from Star Trek) wrote:

but I honestly don't
> > think any company could do justice on it, especially in the plotline. Try
> > fitting a SR novel into 90-120 minutes. Even the short story in the main
> > rulebook would be hard to fit into 90 minutes. I think it would probably
> > fit better into a TV series, but the chances of that happening are, I
> > imagine, rather poor. But if FASA ever does get it off the ground, more
> > power to you, and I'll be watching :)
>
> How about a mini-series?
>
> ---------------------------------------
> I used to think I was indecisive. Now, I'm not so sure.

I`m not sure... I think the genre could be captured fairly well if the
effort was taken to research the world. You never know!

Mark McL
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:23:50 +0100
GRANITE said on 23:25/11 Dec 96...

> It is picking the lock instead of busting down the door..When
> Hollywood is ready for some fresh ideas You guys will be there...And
> the boxoffice will be primed for it...

And I'll have to wait for it to come out on video... Damn cinema around
here hasn't even shown Dragonheart :(

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:23:50 +0100
Richard Jury said on 19:46/11 Dec 96...

> I'm not too sure how I feel on a BT or SR movie being made. I don't know
> all that much about BT to be honest, except it has too many supplements ;)
> I obviously would go see a SR movie if it came out, but I honestly don't
> think any company could do justice on it, especially in the plotline.

I don't know if Mike was around on the list the last time the SR movie
thread came up (as always, it got started as "Who would you like to see
play what parts in an SR movie?") but as I recall some pretty good reasons
were given why an SR movie would *not* be a good idea for people who like
the game... Just look at the way Johnny Mnemonic got turned into a movie,
and Gibson was closely involved with that! (For the record, I still
haven't seen JM, but the bits I /have/ seen, have still not changed my
mind about not wanting to see it.)

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Message no. 8
From: Matt Bruce <matt@*****.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:40:13 +0800
Gurth <<gurth@******.NL> wrote:


>GRANITE said on 23:25/11 Dec 96...

>> It is picking the lock instead of busting down the door..When

>> Hollywood is ready for some fresh ideas You guys will be

>> there...And the boxoffice will be primed for it...

>

>And I'll have to wait for it to come out on video... Damn cinema

>around here hasn't even shown Dragonheart :(


I'm afraid that your bad situation gives me some cause for elation. I though it was just
here in the arse end of the earth who didn't see movies until they'd been released on
video in the US?!


DragonHeart actually started here in Perth today. I hope to go see it early next week
(ahhh, summer holidays...).


I think the worst instance of this was when Star Trek: Generations was released. It was
released on November 11th (from memory), but it didn't open here until JUNE!! How pathetic
is THAT??


Anyway, this isn't exactly on topic now, is it? :)


Merry _Festive Season_ and a Happy (Western) New Year! (dontcha lurve political
correctness? ;) )


Cya!





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Message no. 9
From: Guido Hölker <guido@******.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 15:38:21 +0100
... Just look at the way Johnny Mnemonic got turned into a movie,
>and Gibson was closely involved with that! (For the record, I still
>haven't seen JM, but the bits I /have/ seen, have still not changed my
>mind about not wanting to see it.)
I found the movie quite good, actually. Of course it wasn't too close to the
short story and I think a SR movie would be different, too, but why not? You
have to chnage a few things for movie's sake and ga away from sticking too
close to the rules, but I don't see any problems with getting the flavour of
the world transferred (as long as they don't make a 2056 Libanon out of
Seattle where everyone is waving assault guns all the time)
Message no. 10
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:46:25 U
RE>>FASA and Hollywood 12/12/1996


>And I'll have to wait for it to come out on video... Damn cinema >around
here hasn't even shown Dragonheart :(

Well I highly recommend you rent it when it comes out it was a pretty good
movie (much better than I expected
Message no. 11
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 08:14:32 -0700
> From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
> Just look at the way Johnny Mnemonic got turned into a movie,

I did and I liked it..

> and Gibson was closely involved with that! (For the record, I still
> haven't seen JM, but the bits I /have/ seen, have still not changed my
> mind about not wanting to see it.)

Why wouldn't you want to see it??? There are some really good portrayals of
the way things could be in that movie..I thought it was a great first
step toward a real SR movie..It introduces the
lifestyle..Deckers..Samis..implant Tech..Some of the same exotic
weapons..as well as the Mr Johnson concept..and the basic plot "the
runner will be screwed by just about everybody"..What's snot to
like???
-------------------------------GRANITE
=================================================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
Message no. 12
From: Carl Schelin <cschelin@**.NASA.GOV>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:18:43 -0500
At 01:23 PM 12/12/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Richard Jury said on 19:46/11 Dec 96...
>
>> I'm not too sure how I feel on a BT or SR movie being made. I don't know
>> all that much about BT to be honest, except it has too many supplements ;)
>> I obviously would go see a SR movie if it came out, but I honestly don't
>> think any company could do justice on it, especially in the plotline.
>
>I don't know if Mike was around on the list the last time the SR movie
>thread came up (as always, it got started as "Who would you like to see
>play what parts in an SR movie?") but as I recall some pretty good reasons
>were given why an SR movie would *not* be a good idea for people who like
>the game... Just look at the way Johnny Mnemonic got turned into a movie,
>and Gibson was closely involved with that! (For the record, I still
>haven't seen JM, but the bits I /have/ seen, have still not changed my
>mind about not wanting to see it.)
>
>--

For the record {I'm listening[1]}, I did see JM. I didn't recognize the
story until towards the end of the movie. By then I was looking for the
flyers advertising the video for sale in the lobby.

Carl

[1] The Enforcer Drone in Spaced Invaders

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NASA Headquarters
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Message no. 13
From: 'Spaceman' WD Lee <spaced@*.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:52:37 -0800
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, GRANITE wrote:
# runner will be screwed by just about everybody"..What's snot to
# like???
<rant>
Keanu Reeves' bad acting? The fact that the best actors in the
movie were Ice-T and Henry Rollins, both musicians by trade? The skewed
tech? (storage space still in gigs? that many years in the future?). That
the sam (Dolph Lundgren, I think) only got a scant amount of screen time?
That the plot was changed to a save-the-world, do the good thing ending?
That the script relied heavily on cliched representations of
relationships (re Molly and Johnny)?
</rant>

Seriously, although it did have a couple of good things to use for
a potential SR movie (the Matrix scene, the sam), the cheesy plot, bad
acting, and miscues on future tech just added up to a horrible movie



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Message no. 14
From: Czar Eggbert <czregbrt@*********.EDU>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:02:07 -0600
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, 'Spaceman' WD Lee wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, GRANITE wrote:
> # runner will be screwed by just about everybody"..What's snot to
> # like???
> <rant>
> Keanu Reeves' bad acting? The fact that the best actors in the
> movie were Ice-T and Henry Rollins, both musicians by trade? The skewed
> tech? (storage space still in gigs? that many years in the future?). That
> the sam (Dolph Lundgren, I think) only got a scant amount of screen time?
> That the plot was changed to a save-the-world, do the good thing ending?
> That the script relied heavily on cliched representations of
> relationships (re Molly and Johnny)?
> </rant>
>
> Seriously, although it did have a couple of good things to use for
> a potential SR movie (the Matrix scene, the sam), the cheesy plot, bad
> acting, and miscues on future tech just added up to a horrible movie


BUT the gun... ya gotta love the gun!!!! :)
Message no. 15
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:42:37 -0700
> From: Czar Eggbert <czregbrt@*********.EDU>
> > On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, GRANITE wrote:
> >........What's not to like???

> > Keanu Reeves' bad acting? ...... cliched representations of
> > relationships (re Molly and Johnny)?
> > Seriously, although it did have a couple of good things to use for
> > a potential SR movie (the Matrix scene, the sam), the cheesy plot, bad
> > acting, and miscues on future tech just added up to a horrible movie

Opinions are like @$$H01e$ everybody has one..I dissagree..I thought
the acting was acceptable and most of the FX were up to par..The only
FX I didn't like was the dolphin..But that would be difficult no
matter what..
As for memory measures in Gigs..That is a mathmatical definition of a
specific value..No matter how much time passes they memory will
still be valued in Megs, Gigs, Tera, and so on..It is the SR
undefined Megapulse that is out of place..If it the mere availablity
of so many Gigs instead of Tera..That is a choice JM took..He only
wanted to lose so much of himself..Better than becoming a zombie
datastore..And there has to be a limit on data compression and
miniturization at any
rate..
-------------------------------GRANITE
=================================================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
Message no. 16
From: Elfman & Danita <elf-dani@******.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:07:03 -0700
From: Mike Mulvihill (FASA) <FASAMike@***.COM>

> Trust me we would like nothing more than to have a FASA film (either SR
or
> BT) produced into a movie. The problem is not us...really, it's
Hollywood. BT
> stuff has been floating around Hollywood for years, pitches have been
made,
> lunches done, hands shaken and still no real activity. Right now most of
> Hollywood is scared to put out any Sci-Fi because Lucas and the Star Wars
> machine is really going to take home the big nuyen over most of 1997 even
> though the films are re-releases. No one wants to compete directly with
them
> (supposedly that's why Fist Contact was pushed to be a winter release and
not
> a Spring one) and no one knows what kind of "legs" they will have --
exactly
> how long they will be in theatres. Plus with the second trilogy (or is it
> considered to be the first) being worked on, most studios want super big
> names to be in production...look for sequels, remakes, and "classic"
Sci-Fi
> fiction to be made into films -- while cool concepts and worlds like SR
and
> BT to be long shots. On the other hand a big increase in science fiction
> exposure always looks good. Meanwhile, FASA will continue to press
Hollywood
> for our worlds, hopefully someday we'll be plunking down our cash to see
a
> FASA film.

As long as the BT film doesn't turn out to be like "Robo Jox" or whatever
that dumb movie was called. Although, I did have a friend who used it as a
primer for people who were about to play BattleTech for the first time. He
said, "watch the robots, forget the plot, your driving things like these."

Sgt Pepper, still hoping that SR movie comes out soon.

Visit Elfman's World at http://www.spots.ab.ca/~elf-dani
or Danitaville at http://www.spots.ab.ca/~elf-dani/index.html
Message no. 17
From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:45:04 +1100
At 11:52 AM 12/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, GRANITE wrote:
># runner will be screwed by just about everybody"..What's snot to
># like???
><rant>
> Keanu Reeves' bad acting? The fact that the best actors in the
>movie were Ice-T and Henry Rollins, both musicians by trade? The skewed
>tech? (storage space still in gigs? that many years in the future?). That
>the sam (Dolph Lundgren, I think) only got a scant amount of screen time?
>That the plot was changed to a save-the-world, do the good thing ending?
>That the script relied heavily on cliched representations of
>relationships (re Molly and Johnny)?
></rant>
>
> Seriously, although it did have a couple of good things to use for
>a potential SR movie (the Matrix scene, the sam), the cheesy plot, bad
>acting, and miscues on future tech just added up to a horrible movie
>

Finally, I thought everyone on ShadowRN loved this terrible film. I have to
agree with the spaceman - I thought this was one the worst films I saw in my
life. The script, acting, in fact just about everything about the flic was
appauling - it makes my stomach churn just mentioning the title.

Shaman

>
>The Spaceman |God said, "Let there be light." And God
>spaced@*.washington.edu |separated the light from the dark. And
>Check out the Bill Page! |did two loads of laundry. -Genesis 1:2.5
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>
Message no. 18
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 20:21:24 -0700
> From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
> Finally, I thought everyone on ShadowRN loved this terrible film. I have to
> agree with the spaceman - I thought this was one the worst films I saw in my
> life.

Oh..No..Check out "The Silent Earth" That is the second worst film I
have ever seen..The absolute worst I cannot recall the name of as I
have a mental block..Yes it was that bad...
-------------------------------GRANITE
=================================================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
Message no. 19
From: Graht <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 11:45:22 -0700
GRANITE wrote about "Re: FASA and Hollywood":

|> From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
|> Finally, I thought everyone on ShadowRN loved this terrible film. I have to
|> agree with the spaceman - I thought this was one the worst films I saw in my
|> life.
|
|Oh..No..Check out "The Silent Earth" That is the second worst film I
|have ever seen..The absolute worst I cannot recall the name of as I
|have a mental block..Yes it was that bad...

"Cyborg" with Jean Claude Van Dam?

-Graht

"Pick up the door."
"...Hey, Kunds!"
Message no. 20
From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:53:29 +1100
On Sun, 15 Dec 1996, Graht wrote:

> GRANITE wrote about "Re: FASA and Hollywood":
>
> |> From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
> |> Finally, I thought everyone on ShadowRN loved this terrible film. I have to
> |> agree with the spaceman - I thought this was one the worst films I saw in my
> |> life.
> |
> |Oh..No..Check out "The Silent Earth" That is the second worst film I
> |have ever seen..The absolute worst I cannot recall the name of as I
> |have a mental block..Yes it was that bad...
>
> "Cyborg" with Jean Claude Van Dam?

Try "Brainscan" with that stupid kid from T2.

Shaman

>
> -Graht
>
> "Pick up the door."
> "...Hey, Kunds!"
>
Message no. 21
From: Avenger <Avenger@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 23:08:06 +0000
In article <199612151931.MAA17925@******>, Graht
<dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG> writes

>
>"Cyborg" with Jean Claude Van Dam?
>
>-Graht

What was wrong with Cyborg? It was one of the funniest and most
entertaining films I've seen in a long time. It had just the right
amount of van Damme GIJoe poseability, and a Pythonesque story line.
Great entertainment. :)



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| | ( | | < ___ \ \ \ / __/ | | ( | __/ |
____/ \__,_|_| _|\_\ _/ _\ \_/ \___|_| _|\__, |\___|_|
A dark shadow in a dark world |___/
Message no. 22
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 00:54:24 -0500
At 11:45 AM 12/15/96 -0700, you wrote:
>GRANITE wrote about "Re: FASA and Hollywood":
>
>|> From: Calvin Hsieh <u2172778@*******.ACSU.UNSW.EDU.AU>
>|> Finally, I thought everyone on ShadowRN loved this terrible film. I have to
>|> agree with the spaceman - I thought this was one the worst films I saw in my
>|> life.
>|
>|Oh..No..Check out "The Silent Earth" That is the second worst film I
>|have ever seen..The absolute worst I cannot recall the name of as I
>|have a mental block..Yes it was that bad...
>
>"Cyborg" with Jean Claude Van Dam?
>
I can honestly say the worst movie I ever saw was Mannos: The Hands Of Fate...

And even with Mike (Joel?) and the Bots, it was still one VERY bad flick...

Even Tor Jonson couldn't make it worth my time...

<sigh>

2 hours of my life I'll never get back...:)

Bull

=======================================================
= Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich =
= =
= chaos@*****,com =
= =
= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
=======================================================

"Why am I here?"
-Robin Williams, "Good Morning Vietnam"
Message no. 23
From: "Mike Mulvihill (FASA)" <FASAMike@***.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 15:42:05 -0500
In a message dated 12/12/96 02:54:25 AM, Fro wrote:

>Try fitting a SR novel into 90-120 minutes. Even the short story in the
main
>rulebook would be hard to fit into 90 minutes. I think it would probably
>fit better into a TV series, but the chances of that happening are, I
>imagine, rather poor. But if FASA ever does get it off the ground, more
>power to you, and I'll be watching :)

That seems to be Hollywood's thinking. Now that Cable Networks are being more
aggressive in producing their own series and films. We have been in
negotiations on various fronts. FYI one of the reasons why we've had more
problems than not is that we insist on maintaining final approval. I guess
that's our lot for sticking with our guns.

Have Fun!
Play Games!

Mike Mulvihill
Shadowrun Line Developer
FASA
www.fasa.com
Message no. 24
From: Caric <caric@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:43:14 -0700
> That seems to be Hollywood's thinking. Now that Cable Networks >are being
more aggressive in producing their own series and >films. We have been in
negotiations on various fronts. FYI one of >the reasons why we've had more
problems than not is that we >insist on maintaining final approval. I guess
that's our lot for >sticking with our guns.

Good for you guys we don't want to see a film/series come out that doesn't
hold to what shadowrun is supposed to be. Its worth the wait IMHO.

~Caric

"All the world's indeed a stage, we are mearly players.
Performers and portrayers. Each anothers audience,
outside the gilded cage." -Rush
caric@*******.com
Message no. 25
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 18:58:49 EST
On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 15:42:05 -0500 "Mike Mulvihill (FASA)"
<FASAMike@***.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 12/12/96 02:54:25 AM, Fro wrote:
>
>>Try fitting a SR novel into 90-120 minutes. Even the short story in
>the
>main
>>rulebook would be hard to fit into 90 minutes. I think it would
>probably
>>fit better into a TV series, but the chances of that happening are, I
>>imagine, rather poor. But if FASA ever does get it off the ground,
>more
>>power to you, and I'll be watching :)
>
>That seems to be Hollywood's thinking. Now that Cable Networks are
>being more
>aggressive in producing their own series and films. We have been in
Cool. Sounds like a plan:)
>negotiations on various fronts. FYI one of the reasons why we've had
>more
>problems than not is that we insist on maintaining final approval. I
>guess
>that's our lot for sticking with our guns.
>
Stick with your guns, Mike. I'd much rather wait to see a good show or
cable movie (one that represents the game world) than have a crappy one
ready real soon. 'Course, I'd prefer to see a good one real soon over
either of the other two options:) Are you going to let us in on who's
been offering to do it?

John Pederson "God is dead"
lobo1@****.com canthros1@***.com -Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 to
1900)
http://members.aol.com/lenoj001/johns.htm "Nietzsche is dead"
Only dead fish swim with the stream -God (everlasting to
everlasting)
Message no. 26
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 21:13:09 -0500
At 03:42 PM 12/17/96 -0500, you wrote:

>That seems to be Hollywood's thinking. Now that Cable Networks are being more
>aggressive in producing their own series and films. We have been in
>negotiations on various fronts. FYI one of the reasons why we've had more
>problems than not is that we insist on maintaining final approval. I guess
>that's our lot for sticking with our guns.
>
AMEN!

Bull

=======================================================
= Bull, aka Chaos, aka Rak, aka Steven Ratkovich =
= =
= chaos@*****,com =
= =
= "Order is Illusion! Chaos is Bliss! Got any fours?" =
=======================================================

"Why am I here?"
-Robin Williams, "Good Morning Vietnam"
Message no. 27
From: Avenger <Avenger@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 02:32:04 +0000
In article <961217154204_1787651204@*******.mail.aol.com>, "Mike
Mulvihill (FASA)" <FASAMike@***.COM> writes

>That seems to be Hollywood's thinking. Now that Cable Networks are being more
>aggressive in producing their own series and films. We have been in
>negotiations on various fronts. FYI one of the reasons why we've had more
>problems than not is that we insist on maintaining final approval. I guess
>that's our lot for sticking with our guns.

And so you should. Too many good books and ideas have been savagely
torn beyond all recognition by the Hollywood moguls. It is good to see
that someone is determined to approve what is done, and has the strength
of their convictions to stick to that desire. More power to you.
Whatever comes of it, if FASA approve it, it should be well worth
waiting for. Good luck.


--
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| | _` | __| | / _ \ \ \ / _ \ __ \ _` | _ \ __|
| | ( | | < ___ \ \ \ / __/ | | ( | __/ |
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A dark shadow in a dark world |___/
Message no. 28
From: Droopy <droopy@*******.NB.NET>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 00:33:15 +0000
> From: "Mike Mulvihill (FASA)" <FASAMike@***.COM>
> Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood

> negotiations on various fronts. FYI one of the reasons why we've had more
> problems than not is that we insist on maintaining final approval. I guess
> that's our lot for sticking with our guns.

I'd expect that reaction from the entertainment industry. They think
themselves infinetly more knowledgeable than you piddly creators. <G>


--Droopy
droopy@**.net
Message no. 29
From: "Mike Mulvihill (FASA)" <FASAMike@***.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 16:44:52 -0500
In a message dated 12/18/96 12:05:33 AM, John Pederson wrote:

>Stick with your guns, Mike. I'd much rather wait to see a good show or
>cable movie (one that represents the game world) than have a crappy one
>ready real soon. 'Course, I'd prefer to see a good one real soon over
>either of the other two options:) Are you going to let us in on who's
>been offering to do it?

To be honest, I'm not sure if I'm allowed. Sorry. I can let you know who was
offered and had tunred down BattleTech though...

Have Fun!
Play Games!
Happy Holidays!

Mike Mulvihill
Shadowrun Line Developer
FASA
www.fasa.com
Message no. 30
From: Steve Collins <steve_collins@********.ALEWIFE.KODAK.COM>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 17:03:08 U
Mail*Link® SMTP RE>>FASA and Hollywood


>To be honest, I'm not sure if I'm allowed. Sorry. I can let you know who =
was
>offered and had tunred down BattleTech though...

You must love baiting us. Well dish who was it and what was their reason =
for it.
Message no. 31
From: GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject: Re: FASA and Hollywood
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 20:00:37 -0700
> From: "Mike Mulvihill (FASA)" <FASAMike@***.COM>
> I can let you know who was
> offered and had tunred down BattleTech though...

Ok..So give.. :)
-------------------------------GRANITE
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Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer

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