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From:	Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject:	FASA in the movies
Date:	Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:53:48 -0400

Message no. 1 Just read a very complimentary article on Wired.com about the release of
MechCommander. Very nice things were said about FASA and there was a quote
from them.

Turns out FASA has been talking to Hollywood about doing a Battletech movie...

Read it for yourself, at wired.com. It's entitled "MechCommander on the
Move" or something.

Erik J.

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From:	GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Wed, 22 Jul 1998 23:13:26 +0000

Message no. 2 > Turns out FASA has been talking to Hollywood about doing a Battletech movie...

this isn't new..they have been looking into this for several years
now..ever since before the BT cartoon came out..But it sounds like
they have been busy more recently..FASA has been looking into film
making for a long time..the prob comes when FASA wants to retain
creative control...Then the movie makers balk...

the year the BT cartoon came out FASA released an art test tape at
GenCon..It is about 15 min or so..and cost about $5 at the time..this
was well worth the money..It has CGI stuff that makes it look like
the Mechs are real..The original CGI stuff is Babylon 5 quality
artwork..they had to tone it down for the cartoon though..Or it
wouldn't mesh with the standard artwork enough..

Here's a question..Does anyone know if FASA has put the BT cartoon on
a video and released it that way?? I would love to buy it if I could
find it..

> Read it for yourself, at wired.com. It's entitled "MechCommander on the
> Move" or something.

I currently do not have web access..I changed compys and now I can't
get a web browser to work..Anyway..could someone do me a huge fav and
copy that story and send it to me..Thanks
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===============================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
===============================================
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What is best in life?
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To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
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From:	"M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:51:15 EDT

Message no. 3 In a message dated 7/23/98 1:14:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, granite@**.NET
writes:

> this isn't new..they have been looking into this for several years
> now..ever since before the BT cartoon came out..But it sounds like
> they have been busy more recently..FASA has been looking into film
> making for a long time..the prob comes when FASA wants to retain
> creative control...Then the movie makers balk...

But yet FASA has been saying they never had such plans over in AOL.
Specfically Lou.

Just thought I would point that out.

As far as I know, the BTech cartoon is not out on video. Probably get picked
up by cartoon network someday.

-Bandit

From:	The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:58:57 -0500

Message no. 4 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, M. Sean Martinez wrote:

> In a message dated 7/23/98 1:14:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, granite@**.NET
> > this isn't new..they have been looking into this for several years
> > now..ever since before the BT cartoon came out..But it sounds like
> > they have been busy more recently..FASA has been looking into film
> > making for a long time..the prob comes when FASA wants to retain
> > creative control...Then the movie makers balk...
> But yet FASA has been saying they never had such plans over in AOL.
> Specfically Lou.

Funny that. They have been mentioning vauge deallings with Hollywood for
the last 4 or 5 years at GenCon. They never mention a specific studio or
say any sort of deal has been struck but they admit that story treatments
have been done. This was always at the Whats Up With FASA seminar. The
movie deal never seems to get anywhere though, and i would agree that its
probably due to FASA wanting creative control. They dont want to have it
turn into RoboJox 3. I havent heard about any Shadowrun Movie deals yet.
I wonder what they will say at GenCon in 2 weeks.

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com

From:	Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:05:07 -0500

Message no. 5 At 08:58 AM 7/23/98 -0500, The Bookworm wrote:
# On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, M. Sean Martinez wrote:
#
# turn into RoboJox 3. I havent heard about any Shadowrun Movie deals yet.

I dunno about you guys, but I always thought a Shadowrun Anime would rock....
do we have many japanese people on this list?
;)
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From:	"M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:09:38 EDT

Message no. 6 In a message dated 7/23/98 9:59:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU writes:

> Funny that. They have been mentioning vauge deallings with Hollywood for
> the last 4 or 5 years at GenCon. They never mention a specific studio or
> say any sort of deal has been struck but they admit that story treatments
> have been done.

Hmmm, makes you wonder if they really have been seriously talking with
Hollywood, since, as you have said, they are vague at GenCon and then deny it
on other mediums.

Does anyone else wonder about this, or have I been playing SR too long and it
has made me paranoid?

-Bandit

From:	"M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:10:31 EDT

Message no. 7 In a message dated 7/23/98 10:07:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
justin@******.NET writes:

> I dunno about you guys, but I always thought a Shadowrun Anime would
rock....
> do we have many japanese people on this list?

I think there was a Shadowrun manga some time ago.

-Bandit

From:	Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:14:13 -0400

Message no. 8 At 11:13 PM 7/22/98 +0000, you wrote:
>> Turns out FASA has been talking to Hollywood about doing a Battletech
movie...
>
>this isn't new..they have been looking into this for several years
>now..ever since before the BT cartoon came out..But it sounds like
>they have been busy more recently..FASA has been looking into film
>making for a long time..the prob comes when FASA wants to retain
>creative control...Then the movie makers balk...

As I recall, there was a quote from an e-mail from I think it was Lou
Prosperi or someone, I can't specifically recall. I'm horrible with names,
sorry.

I just found it interesting that Wired reported this; I got the impression
that they've done several story treatments for Hollywood including at least
one recently. Given the merchandising from the games, the Virtual World
stuff, MechCommander/MechWarrior, the books, the cartoons and all that,
FASA seems to think that there's enough of an existing fan base to warrant
a serious look from Hollywood. And Hollywood does seem to be interested.
We'll see I suppose.

Erik J.

http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
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From:	GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:41:06 +0000

Message no. 9 > # turn into RoboJox 3. I havent heard about any Shadowrun Movie deals yet.

Actually they were working on a possible SR movie..it is based on one
of the short stories [I think in the decker book] but the elements
that make it SR may have been sifted out to make it just another
cyberpnk type story....that was info from last year...
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
===============================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
===============================================
Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To See Them Driven Before You,
To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
I Am The LAW! -JD

From:	The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:48:29 -0500

Message no. 10 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, GRANITE wrote:
> > # turn into RoboJox 3. I havent heard about any Shadowrun Movie deals yet.
> Actually they were working on a possible SR movie..it is based on one
> of the short stories [I think in the decker book] but the elements
> that make it SR may have been sifted out to make it just another
> cyberpnk type story....that was info from last year...

I had completely forgotten about that. It was the story from VR1.0 now
that you reminded me. The battle tech movie deals just stuck better since
i have been hearing the "in the works" speal for years at GC and the
Shadowrun thing was new and VERY tentitive. Not even a story treatment
yet IIRC just an interest. Im sure we will hear more in two weeks...
*goes back to counting down the days till GenCon* :)

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
thomas.m.price@*******.edu
tmprice@***********.com

From:	GRANITE <granite@**.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:38:29 +0000

Message no. 11 > But yet FASA has been saying they never had such plans over in AOL.
> Specfically Lou.

I think this is at least in part due to one part of FASA doing
something and another part of FASA knowing nothing about it..as well
as at least a touch of corp secrecy...
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
===============================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
===============================================
Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To See Them Driven Before You,
To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
I Am The LAW! -JD

From:	rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:06:22 -0500

Message no. 12 >> I dunno about you guys, but I always thought a Shadowrun Anime would
>rock....
>> do we have many japanese people on this list?
>
>I think there was a Shadowrun manga some time ago.
>
>-Bandit
>

Got any details on that one, Bandit?

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...

From:	Jett <zmjett@*********.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:59:15 -0400

Message no. 13 Justin Bell wrote:
>
> At 08:58 AM 7/23/98 -0500, The Bookworm wrote:
> # On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, M. Sean Martinez wrote:
> #
> # turn into RoboJox 3. I havent heard about any Shadowrun Movie deals yet.
>
> I dunno about you guys, but I always thought a Shadowrun Anime would rock....
> do we have many japanese people on this list?
> ;)

Hey, a Shadowrun cartoon done american, Spawn-style, would rock too...I
doubt a watereed-down Saturday morning version would be cool, though.
Anime would probably be the best bet.

--Jett

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time. I just make the walls a little more aggressive about it!"
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From:	Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:48:07 -0500

Message no. 14 At 12:41 PM 7/23/98 +0000, GRANITE wrote:
# > # turn into RoboJox 3. I havent heard about any Shadowrun Movie deals
yet.
#
# Actually they were working on a possible SR movie..it is based on one
# of the short stories [I think in the decker book] but the elements
# that make it SR may have been sifted out to make it just another
# cyberpnk type story....that was info from last year...

OH YEAH

that one is to be called Matrix, I believe....

I hear it's actually in production
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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:17:35 +0100

Message no. 15 And verily, did Justin Bell hastily scribble thusly...
|
|At 12:41 PM 7/23/98 +0000, GRANITE wrote:
|# > # turn into RoboJox 3. I havent heard about any Shadowrun Movie deals
|yet.
|#
|# Actually they were working on a possible SR movie..it is based on one
|# of the short stories [I think in the decker book] but the elements
|# that make it SR may have been sifted out to make it just another
|# cyberpnk type story....that was info from last year...
|
|OH YEAH
|
|that one is to be called Matrix, I believe....

Or could that be a spin off of Reboot...

<Grin>
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From:	Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:54:51 -0400

Message no. 16 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:59:15 -0400 Jett <zmjett@*********.COM> writes:

>Hey, a Shadowrun cartoon done american, Spawn-style, would rock
>too...I doubt a watereed-down Saturday morning version would be cool,
though.
>Anime would probably be the best bet.

Guh. Just trying to imagine what network execs might do to Shadowrun
makes me cringe.

"Now, on Saturday mornings! Tune into ABC and watch the heroic Runners
strike from their Runner Lair at the evil megacorporation Saeder-Krupp
and their Doom Dragon forces, who plot to rule the world!"

Now I feel all nauseated.

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:06:10 +0100

Message no. 17 And verily, did Matt Penn hastily scribble thusly...
|"Now, on Saturday mornings! Tune into ABC and watch the heroic Runners
|strike from their Runner Lair at the evil megacorporation Saeder-Krupp
|and their Doom Dragon forces, who plot to rule the world!"

SHAMAN: TO THE RAT MOBILE!
Mage: I warned you about that. FIREBOLT!

*snigger*

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From:	Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:16:31 -0500

Message no. 18 At 05:54 PM 7/23/98 -0400, Matt Penn wrote:
# On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:59:15 -0400 Jett <zmjett@*********.COM> writes:
#
# >Hey, a Shadowrun cartoon done american, Spawn-style, would rock
# >too...I doubt a watereed-down Saturday morning version would be cool,
# though.
# >Anime would probably be the best bet.
Spawn isn't too bad actually.... just too macfarlane oriented/controlled.
i.e. pretentiuosly boring

# Guh. Just trying to imagine what network execs might do to Shadowrun
# makes me cringe.
#
# "Now, on Saturday mornings! Tune into ABC and watch the heroic Runners
# strike from their Runner Lair at the evil megacorporation Saeder-Krupp
# and their Doom Dragon forces, who plot to rule the world!"
#
# Now I feel all nauseated.
#
# -Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
# "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since Transformers."

I dunno about that..... Robotech was pretty good
;)

and Invasion America was good, for an AMERICAN cartoon
season 2 might be better.... if they actually start to get inventive and
get a NEW plot....
but that hasnt been done since..... well, transformers.

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From:	"M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:56:41 EDT

Message no. 19 In a message dated 7/23/98 6:18:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, justin@******.NET
writes:

> I dunno about that..... Robotech was pretty good

Robotech was actually 3 anime series combined into one.

"Super Dimensonal Fortess Macross" made up the first part of the story.
"Super Dimensonal Calvary Southern Cross" made up the middle part of the
story.
And "Mospeda" made up the last.

I kinda like the Spiderman Animated TV show as well as The Superman Animated
Adventures. Nothing compared to anime, but still decent as far as humor and
plot goes.

-Bandit

From:	Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:13:52 -0500

Message no. 20 At 06:56 PM 7/23/98 EDT, M. Sean Martinez wrote:
# In a message dated 7/23/98 6:18:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
justin@******.NET
# writes:
#
# > I dunno about that..... Robotech was pretty good
#
# Robotech was actually 3 anime series combined into one.
#
# "Super Dimensonal Fortess Macross" made up the first part of the story.
# "Super Dimensonal Calvary Southern Cross" made up the middle part of the
# story.
# And "Mospeda" made up the last.
correct, actually, it was Genesis Climber Mospeada

but hey....

# I kinda like the Spiderman Animated TV show as well as The Superman Animated
# Adventures. Nothing compared to anime, but still decent as far as humor and
# plot goes.

agreed

and Batman is pretty cool
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From:	KzDruid <quicksilver82@*********.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:10:35 -0400

Message no. 21 At 05:16 PM 7/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I dunno about that..... Robotech was pretty good
>;)
>
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Robotech was really three unrelated animes strung together by Carl Macek.
Happens to be my favorite show, but i won't go into detail as i'm sure
someone else will or already has (sorry if it already has i just had the
time to check my mail and write this one really quick.).

And G.I. Joe was cool too.
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From:	Iridios <iridios@*********.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:33:31 -0400

Message no. 22 Justin Bell wrote:
Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:16:31 -0500

> # "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since Transformers."
>
> I dunno about that..... Robotech was pretty good
> ;)

I thought that Robotech was Japanese?

> and Invasion America was good, for an AMERICAN cartoon
> season 2 might be better.... if they actually start to get inventive and
> get a NEW plot....

Invasion America showed promise, but I don't think it will be
continued...too many American execs feel that "cartoons" are for
children, and too many American adults agree with them :(

I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
American networks produce it.

--"Any science, sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."
--Arthur C. Clarke

Iridios
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From:	Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:34:26 -0500

Message no. 23 At 07:33 PM 7/23/98 -0400, Iridios wrote:
# Justin Bell wrote:
# Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:16:31 -0500
#
# > # "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since Transformers."
# >
# > I dunno about that..... Robotech was pretty good
# > ;)
#
# I thought that Robotech was Japanese?
nope, Robotech was American, the three animes that were chopped up and re
edited were Japanese....

#
#
# > and Invasion America was good, for an AMERICAN cartoon
# > season 2 might be better.... if they actually start to get inventive and
# > get a NEW plot....
#
# Invasion America showed promise, but I don't think it will be
# continued...too many American execs feel that "cartoons" are for
# children, and too many American adults agree with them :(
except the story sucked
;)

#
# I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
# American networks produce it.
exactly....

it;s amazing there isnt an anime about it or similar to it.

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From:	Iridios <iridios@*********.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:01:48 -0400

Message no. 24 Justin Bell wrote:
Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:34:26 -0500

> # I thought that Robotech was Japanese?
> nope, Robotech was American, the three animes that were chopped up and re
> edited were Japanese....

Ahh, ok

> # Invasion America showed promise, but I don't think it will be
> # continued...too many American execs feel that "cartoons" are for
> # children, and too many American adults agree with them :(
> except the story sucked
> ;)

Exactly, because execs felt that "cartoons" are for children, they
chopped it up, toned it down, sedated and castrated it. They do this to
just about every potentially decent animation, ever wonder why you never
saw a blasted body in G.I. Joe? With as many bullets and explosions,
there should have been at least one body with a sucking chest wound. (at
least)

--"Any science, sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic."
--Arthur C. Clarke

Iridios
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From:	Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:03:25 -0500

Message no. 25 At 08:01 PM 7/23/98 -0400, Iridios wrote:
# > # Invasion America showed promise, but I don't think it will be
# > # continued...too many American execs feel that "cartoons" are for
# > # children, and too many American adults agree with them :(
# > except the story sucked
# > ;)
#
# Exactly, because execs felt that "cartoons" are for children, they
# chopped it up, toned it down, sedated and castrated it. They do this to
# just about every potentially decent animation, ever wonder why you never
# saw a blasted body in G.I. Joe? With as many bullets and explosions,
# there should have been at least one body with a sucking chest wound. (at
# least)

I know the totally messed it up, it was sposed to be 30 minutes every week
for a full season they made it what? 6 one hour eps and a 2 hour start?

how ridiculous....
oh well... it was still totally unoriginal
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From:	"M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:05:19 EDT

Message no. 26 In a message dated 7/23/98 7:20:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, justin@******.NET
writes:

> correct, actually, it was Genesis Climber Mospeada
>
> but hey....

I figured there was more to the name, I just could not remember if it was
"climber" or "Survivor".

-Bandit

From:	Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:06:32 EDT

Message no. 27 In a message dated 98-07-23 18:01:18 EDT, you write:

> "Now, on Saturday mornings! Tune into ABC and watch the heroic Runners
> strike from their Runner Lair at the evil megacorporation Saeder-Krupp
> and their Doom Dragon forces, who plot to rule the world!"

"And coming soon to a toy store near you, the Lofwyr Action Play Set. Find out
what really is behind door 429 in Berlin. Send in for the free Arrow of Red
Dragon Slaying <offer expires while you wait> <offer not valid in
extraterritorial corporations> "

From:	Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:09:12 EDT

Message no. 28 In a message dated 98-07-23 18:59:11 EDT, you write:

> I kinda like the Spiderman Animated TV show as well as The Superman
> Animated
> Adventures. Nothing compared to anime, but still decent as far as humor and
> plot goes.

Spiderman and X-men and even Fantastic Four would be better if they actually
had new plots instead of rehashing comics from forever ago. I like the Batman
series though and Superman isn't bad.

From:	Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:13:47 EDT

Message no. 29 <SNIP thoeries on FASA games made into movies>

Someone mentioned earlier that FASA would want full creative control or
something and I completely agree with that. Example, being a big Tom Clancy
fan, I refuse to see anymore movies "based" on his books after I saw the
second two (same character names as in the book. there were terrorists trying
to kill them. The similarities between the book and the movie pretty much
ended there). Would anyone on this list trust Hollywood directors and
producers to make a Shadowrun or Battletech movie and *not* fuck it up
somehow?
I think their ideas of 'slightly (right.) changing a storyline so that regular
people will understnad the movie' is more than a little condescending and I
imagine that they themselves don't understand what the script is about half
the time.
Neddless to say, I think a Shadowrun movie would be really cool, but there's
no way in Hell that I would trust Hollywood to make it anywhere near where a
Shadowrun player would consider it to be done correctly or close to the world-
setting in the game.

But that's just my 2¢ and I talk way too much....

Mgkelly

From:	Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:29:25 -0400

Message no. 30 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:13:47 EDT Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
writes:

<snip>
>Neddless to say, I think a Shadowrun movie would be really cool, but
there's
>no way in Hell that I would trust Hollywood to make it anywhere near
where a
>Shadowrun player would consider it to be done correctly or close to the
world-
>setting in the game.
>
>But that's just my 2¢ and I talk way too much....

Actually, I tend to agree. What they might have for the movie is the
scrolling text deal like for Star Wars. Y'know, narration or something a
la Blade Runner, even if was pathetic. Just something to let the average
layperson not feel lost about the Awakened world of 205X, then blast 'em
with a multi-million dollar FX budget and, God /Fate/Karma/Whatever
willing, a good story and acting.

Or just cast Leo DiCaprio as the street samurai.

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus:
"What? A thin story with mega effects and a teen heartthrob wouldn't
work?"

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From:	Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:42:40 -0400

Message no. 31 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:16:31 -0500 Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
writes:

>Spawn isn't too bad actually.... just too macfarlane
oriented/controlled.
>i.e. pretentiuosly boring

Please don't get me started on the Toddmeister. Just...don't.

>I dunno about that..... Robotech was pretty good
>;)

Yeah, I like Robotech, I just thought that TF was on after it, more or
less. Still, I do give a lotta credit to Carl Macek.

And yes, I do like the Batman animated series. But that's pretty much it
since I don't count the Simpsons.

>and Invasion America was good, for an AMERICAN cartoon
>season 2 might be better.... if they actually start to get inventive
>and get a NEW plot....

I have not yet been able to sit through an entire episode of Invasion
America. Cartoons, by and large, shouldn't be an hour long. Anime is
different, IMO.

To keep this loosely on topic and as long as I'm dreaming, I'd like to
see SR as anime, perhaps animated by the same studio what did Akira. I
think it'd do well with a series of movies about a group of runners.
You'd have far-out stuff like character development. Use Darque and
Aztechnology as the bad guys.

>but that hasnt been done since..... well, transformers.

Actually, there is another cartoon on I like that can only be described
as a very guilty pleasure. The basis is dumb, but it takes me back to
the days of Transformers and Thundercats.

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
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From:	Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:49:45 -0400

Message no. 32 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:03:25 -0500 Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
writes:

># Exactly, because execs felt that "cartoons" are for children, they
># chopped it up, toned it down, sedated and castrated it. They do this
to
># just about every potentially decent animation, ever wonder why you
never
># saw a blasted body in G.I. Joe? With as many bullets and explosions,
># there should have been at least one body with a sucking chest wound.
(at
># least)

What I'd really like to know is where Cobra got the resources to field an
army larger than most first-world countries. Don't get me wrong, I like
the show. Still do in reruns, but this is the kinda thing you don't
think about when you're camped out in front of the tube after school.

>I know the totally messed it up, it was sposed to be 30 minutes every
week
>for a full season they made it what? 6 one hour eps and a 2 hour start?

Stupid question...you do mean Invasion America, right?

>how ridiculous....
>oh well... it was still totally unoriginal

Oh, if FASA just *had* to use an American studio I'd tell 'em to use the
one that did Invasion America, 'course they also did Batman and Superman,
I think. Or the guys that do Spawn, though I think they're
out-of-country.

Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
"If ya gotta go, go with manga!"

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From:	Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:30:28 -0500

Message no. 33 At 10:49 PM 7/23/98 -0400, Matt Penn wrote:
# On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:03:25 -0500 Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
# writes:
# >I know the totally messed it up, it was sposed to be 30 minutes every
# week
# >for a full season they made it what? 6 one hour eps and a 2 hour start?
#
# Stupid question...you do mean Invasion America, right?
right.

# >how ridiculous....
# >oh well... it was still totally unoriginal
#
# Oh, if FASA just *had* to use an American studio I'd tell 'em to use the
# one that did Invasion America, 'course they also did Batman and Superman,
# I think. Or the guys that do Spawn, though I think they're
# out-of-country.
yeah, I think so..

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From:	Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:29:23 -0500

Message no. 34 At 10:42 PM 7/23/98 -0400, Matt Penn wrote:
# I have not yet been able to sit through an entire episode of Invasion
# America. Cartoons, by and large, shouldn't be an hour long. Anime is
# different, IMO.
it's not too bad...
could have been much better

# To keep this loosely on topic and as long as I'm dreaming, I'd like to
# see SR as anime, perhaps animated by the same studio what did Akira. I
# think it'd do well with a series of movies about a group of runners.
# You'd have far-out stuff like character development. Use Darque and
# Aztechnology as the bad guys.
oh hell yeah
kinda like the way they did Lodoss Wars

# >but that hasnt been done since..... well, transformers.
#
# Actually, there is another cartoon on I like that can only be described
# as a very guilty pleasure. The basis is dumb, but it takes me back to
# the days of Transformers and Thundercats.
what is it?

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From:	Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:46:24 +1200

Message no. 35 Quoth Matt Penn (1443 24-7-98 NZT):

<<SLICE>>
>Actually, there is another cartoon on I like that can only be described
>as a very guilty pleasure. The basis is dumb, but it takes me back to
>the days of Transformers and Thundercats.
>
>-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
>"You'll laugh if I say what it is. I can make an ass out of myself
>without you mob pitching in, thanks."
<<SLICE>>

At a guess - Aeon Flux?

Danyel Woods - 9604801@********.ac.nz
'You're not making any sense.'
'I imagine I'm not, but that's the kind of day I'm having...'

From:	Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:42:46 EDT

Message no. 36 In a message dated 98-07-23 22:52:39 EDT, you write:

> Or just cast Leo DiCaprio as the street samurai.

And that's a good example of what I was ranting about when I wrote the post
about Hollywood fucking up a SR movie!

I *might* cast DiCaprio as a snotty Elven mage ('cuz he looks like a dandy) or
a Decker, but I just couldn't picture him as a Street Samurai.

Of course, from a money-making standpoint, hordes of teenage and pre-teen
girls would flock to see it.... ;]

Mgkelly ("Someone make me shut up!")

From:	K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:35:33 EDT

Message no. 37 In a message dated 7/23/1998 5:05:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
steelclaw@****.COM writes:

> -Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
> "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since Transformers."
>
Na, the "Beast Wars" is pretty cool, though I wish there were more of 'em and
at a time I could watch...

-K

From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:47:50 +0100

Message no. 38 And verily, did M. Sean Martinez hastily scribble thusly...
|I kinda like the Spiderman Animated TV show as well as The Superman Animated
|Adventures. Nothing compared to anime, but still decent as far as humor and
|plot goes.

I tend to favour Batman, the animated series. I think it's the best version
of The Joker since Caeser Romero...

(Yes, I know, I spelt it wrong)

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Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:53:30 +0100

Message no. 39 And verily, did Iridios hastily scribble thusly...
|I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
|American networks produce it.

Agreed. So what about Canadian?
The best animated thing in a long time came out of Canada.

Reboot.

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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:12:48 +0100

Message no. 40 And verily, did K is the Symbol hastily scribble thusly...
|
|In a message dated 7/23/1998 5:05:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
|steelclaw@****.COM writes:
|
|> -Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
|> "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since Transformers."
|>
|Na, the "Beast Wars" is pretty cool, though I wish there were more of 'em and
|at a time I could watch...

That doesn't count. It was made by the same people who do/did Reboot.
(Mainframe in Canada)

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From:	Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies)
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:41:03 -0400

Message no. 41 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:32:56 -0400 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:

>Fantastic Four/Iron Man (Done by the same company/animators/writers, I
>believe) sucked, IMNSHO. They changed too much about the characters
>and how stuff worked in Iron Man, and FF was just lame.

That's true. I didn't care much at all for Iron Man or the FF. I
especially hated how they just *had* to have the same recurring bad guy
in IM. C'mon, admittedly I've only just started to read Iron Man but he
has a better Rouges' Gallery than that.

>X-men had a lot of promise, but I've never been able to see two
consecutive
>episodes in a row. They did a bad joib of how the aired those, and the
>series took too long to go anywhere when I DID figure out what was
>happening.

It's the eternal problem with cartoons based on things like comics. If
they directed it soley at us (the fans), it would more than likely
alienate a bunch of people. But, since they direct it at the group most
likely to watch during that time slot, it invariably gets watered down to
the point that irrates the fans. I guess they really couldn't have put
all the cool storylines I liked in the cartoon show with young kids
watching them. Oh, well.

>Anyways, to drag this on topic, you're right. SHadowrun would most
likely
>not be a good syndicated cartoon. It could do well as a carton format,
>though I also don;t agree that it would have to be done outsode the US
for
>it to be any good. I've seen an awful lot of Japanese Trash as well.
>There's just so much more Anime available, and what gets imported is the
>stuff that's different from our own, because why do we want to see a
>Japanese version of the Flinstones, we have that. But we don;t have
>anything like Record of Lodoss War or Guyver.

Oh, by all means, if an American company can do it right then let 'em.
It's just they don't have the greatest of all track records in this
decade. What I would love is for the animation to be done by a Japanese
company, but get some recognized 'name' voice actors from the USA. A lot
of anime is ruined by being dubbed by nobodies, IMO. Yeah, yeah...I
should just watch subtitled stuff but it's hard to find here. Still,
getting actors like Clancy Brown (Highlander and a bunch of cartoons, I
hear), Frank Welker and Peter Cullen (Transformers, among
others)...wouldn't be that hard.

>If it could be sold to one of the cable networks, you might be able to
>really do something that relfects the darker Shadowrun world (THough
lets
>face it, we'll all argue over just how dark SR really is.). Spawn as a
>concept is a good start. (THough I think the cartoon has really abused
the
>fact that it can show nudity and swear and show masses of blood and
guts.
>ANd I don;t think much of McFarlane as a peron or a writer. Decent
artist,
>if a bit reprtitive. At least the HBO series actually developed a plot
>after an epsiode or two. I read the first 16 issues of the comic and
>almost nothing happened). Invasion America was a good start, whether
you
>liked the story or not, it was a major step towards creating a serious
>animated drama.

In the first 35 issues of Spawn nothing happened. You still haven't
missed much. And, I'm sure if FASA did an HBO cartoon they'd have the
good sense to pull all that shit in their 'toon for the sole reason of,
"Hey! We can show blood 'n boobies! Whooo-hoooo!" and go hog wild.

>Besides... I could really get behind the Bull the Heroic Ork Decker
Action
>Figure battling Evil Wasp Spirits and the evil Aztechnology Megacorp
>:]

'Course, there could be the horror of going to the toy store and there
being nothing but Bulls on the racks. :]

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
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From:	Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:13:13 -0400

Message no. 42 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:42:46 EDT Machine-gun Kelly <MgkellyMP5@***.COM>
writes:

>And that's a good example of what I was ranting about when I wrote the
post
>about Hollywood fucking up a SR movie!

I think Shadowrun's world is much too complex for Hollywood *not* to
screw it up. There would be something that everyone who knew and loved
the game didn't like, which would piss them off. Hell, Men in Black was
actually a comic long before the movie, and the one or two people I knew
who liked the comic thought the movie was dumb in a bunch of places.
There'd be some portrayal of orks, or dragons, or megacorps that we'd all
hate.

Which is why I think SR should be done anime-style, and released in
theaters. 'Course, even then we might complain if they didn't get good
voice actors.

>I *might* cast DiCaprio as a snotty Elven mage ('cuz he looks like a
dandy) or
>a Decker, but I just couldn't picture him as a Street Samurai.

Me neither, but I was trying to think of the role a director who wanted
to bring in the under 18 female set would use Leo in. "Oooh...he's so
dangerous!" <faint>

>Of course, from a money-making standpoint, hordes of teenage and
pre-teen
>girls would flock to see it.... ;]

Which would ensure a healthy mix of young girls swooning in the theaters
next to the hardcore RPG fans slumped in their seats and muttering vile
things about the director, the art direction, and Hollywood in general.

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
"Let me direct! Shadowrun: An Ork for All Seasons. It'd be big!"

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From:	John Velasco <decor.consulting@***.SERVICOM.ES>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:41:46 +0200

Message no. 43 At 15:48 23/07/98 -0500, Justin wrote:
SNIP

>OH YEAH
>
>that one is to be called Matrix, I believe....
>
>I hear it's actually in production

SNIP SIG

I came across some info for this movie darkhorizons.com, you might want to
check it out.

It dose seem to be _losely_ based on a short story from Virtual Realities,
but with most of the Shadowrun specifics cut out. :(

The filming is taking place in Australia and features Keanu Reeves, Carrie
Ann-Moss and Laurance Fishburne. They also have a picture on that page that
I can only descibe as Keanu Reeve with too many legs :)

Oh!... BTW hi all, this is the first time I've found time to actually send
anything to the list, although I've been lurking for close to five months now.

BioNick

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From:	Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:51:21 -0400

Message no. 44 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:53:30 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:

>Agreed. So what about Canadian?
>The best animated thing in a long time came out of Canada.

Did the Canadian networks produce that? Didn't care much for it but
Beast Wars is okay, and it's the same studio.

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
"Geez...decent TV...lower violent crime...I may have to move north."

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From:	Matt Penn <steelclaw@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:48:41 -0400

Message no. 45 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:10:49 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:

>'Course not! It's just that over here, we've only had the first season
of
>Gargoyles, and then it was on GMTV at about 8AM.

Aaaaaargh! I can't get any of the shows I like! All the PBS channels
(except ours) show Red Dwarf, for some warped reason I don't get USA so I
can't see Gargoyles, and the next nearest Fox channel reruns
Transformers. I'm gonna go shoot some network execs. Be right back.

>And as for Animaniacs! NAAARF!

They're okay. I prefer Pinky & the Brain, though.

Ghostbusters. I really liked the Ghostbusters cartoon. But only when
Lorenzo Music was doing Venkman's voice.

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
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"I think so, but I'm not sure if this block is zoned for yodeling at this
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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:14:19 +0100

Message no. 46 And verily, did Matt Penn hastily scribble thusly...
|
|On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:53:30 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
|writes:
|
|>Agreed. So what about Canadian?
|>The best animated thing in a long time came out of Canada.
|
|Did the Canadian networks produce that? Didn't care much for it but
|Beast Wars is okay, and it's the same studio.

You obviously missed the tetrology (Last 4 episodes of season 2).
And Seaon 3 hasn't made it to america yet.

[HINT: At the end of season II, the bad guy (Megabyte) won!]
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From:	Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:16:54 +0100

Message no. 47 And verily, did Matt Penn hastily scribble thusly...
|They're okay. I prefer Pinky & the Brain, though.

Why do you think I said "NAAARF"? poit.

|Ghostbusters. I really liked the Ghostbusters cartoon. But only when
|Lorenzo Music was doing Venkman's voice.

Has anyone ever actually SEEN Lorenzo Music?
I think I saw the back of his head a couple of times when he played Carlton
the doorman in Rhoda, but since then, it's been Garfield and
Ghostbusters....

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From:	The Bookworm <Thomas.M.Price@*******.EDU>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 08:59:26 -0500

Message no. 48 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Matt Penn wrote:

> "Now, on Saturday mornings! Tune into ABC and watch the heroic Runners
> strike from their Runner Lair at the evil megacorporation Saeder-Krupp
> and their Doom Dragon forces, who plot to rule the world!"

Hmmm sounds like Assets Inc. That group from the Dragon Heart Trilogy:).

Thomas Price
aka The Bookworm
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From:	John E Pederson <pedersje@******.ROSE-HULMAN.EDU>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies)
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:05:50 -0500

Message no. 49 Snippage throughout

Matt Penn wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:32:56 -0400 Bull <chaos@*****.COM> writes:
>
> >Fantastic Four/Iron Man (Done by the same company/animators/writers, I
> >believe) sucked, IMNSHO. They changed too much about the characters
> >and how stuff worked in Iron Man, and FF was just lame.
>
> That's true. I didn't care much at all for Iron Man or the FF. I
> especially hated how they just *had* to have the same recurring bad guy
> in IM. C'mon, admittedly I've only just started to read Iron Man but he
> has a better Rouges' Gallery than that.

I think I watched one or two episodes of it and didn't bother after that (the
suck factor was far too high). A shame, too. I really liked Iron Man (despite
only reading a few of the comic books). The scary thing was that the FF cartoon
was nearly as lame as the *original* FF cartoon. Gah!

> >If it could be sold to one of the cable networks, you might be able to
> >really do something that relfects the darker Shadowrun world (THough lets
> >face it, we'll all argue over just how dark SR really is.). Spawn as a
> >concept is a good start. (THough I think the cartoon has really abused the
> >fact that it can show nudity and swear and show masses of blood and guts.
> >ANd I don;t think much of McFarlane as a peron or a writer. Decent artist,
> >if a bit reprtitive. At least the HBO series actually developed a plot
> >after an epsiode or two. I read the first 16 issues of the comic and
> >almost nothing happened). Invasion America was a good start, whether you
> >liked the story or not, it was a major step towards creating a serious
> >animated drama.

I'm actually rather sorry to have missed that (unless it's still being run?). I
don't get a WB station on broadcast and don't have cable at the moment, so I
couldn't watch <grumble>

> In the first 35 issues of Spawn nothing happened. You still haven't
> missed much. And, I'm sure if FASA did an HBO cartoon they'd have the
> good sense to pull all that shit in their 'toon for the sole reason of,
> "Hey! We can show blood 'n boobies! Whooo-hoooo!" and go hog wild.

Hopefully not. Doing something simply because you can? Not usually a good idea.

> >Besides... I could really get behind the Bull the Heroic Ork Decker Action
> >Figure battling Evil Wasp Spirits and the evil Aztechnology Megacorp
> >:]
>
> 'Course, there could be the horror of going to the toy store and there
> being nothing but Bulls on the racks. :]

Oh, the horror! :) Just what I'd need. Go out to buy the new Kid Stealth action
figure (Look Ma! Pointy bits! :) or Wolfgang Kies (Arf! :):) and find nothing
but Bull. How infuriating. :)

> -Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
> "There aren't enough orks in toys. Toymakers are prejudiced!"

Silly troglodyte. Toys are for kids.

;)

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From:	Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject:	Re: FASA in the movies
Date:	Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:48:07 -0500

Message no. 50 At 04:35 AM 7/24/98 EDT, K is the Symbol wrote:
# In a message dated 7/23/1998 5:05:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
# steelclaw@****.COM writes:
#
# > -Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
# > "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since Transformers."
# >
# Na, the "Beast Wars" is pretty cool, though I wish there were more of 'em
and
# at a time I could watch...

umm, Beast Wars IS the transformers....
;)
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Message no. 51 At 08:41 AM 7/24/98 -0400, Matt Penn wrote:
#
# It's the eternal problem with cartoons based on things like comics. If
# they directed it soley at us (the fans), it would more than likely
# alienate a bunch of people. But, since they direct it at the group most
# likely to watch during that time slot, it invariably gets watered down to
# the point that irrates the fans. I guess they really couldn't have put
# all the cool storylines I liked in the cartoon show with young kids
# watching them. Oh, well.
it makes you wonder why they even bother in the first place

#
# Oh, by all means, if an American company can do it right then let 'em.
# It's just they don't have the greatest of all track records in this
# decade. What I would love is for the animation to be done by a Japanese
# company, but get some recognized 'name' voice actors from the USA. A lot
# of anime is ruined by being dubbed by nobodies, IMO. Yeah, yeah...I
# should just watch subtitled stuff but it's hard to find here. Still,
# getting actors like Clancy Brown (Highlander and a bunch of cartoons, I
# hear), Frank Welker and Peter Cullen (Transformers, among
# others)...wouldn't be that hard.
I dunno about that, I got Armitage III for xmas, with Elizabeth Berkely and
Keifer Sutherland doing the voices, didnt sound THAT much different to the
normal dub quality, BUT, subtitles are better
;)

# In the first 35 issues of Spawn nothing happened. You still haven't
# missed much. And, I'm sure if FASA did an HBO cartoon they'd have the
# good sense to pull all that shit in their 'toon for the sole reason of,
# "Hey! We can show blood 'n boobies! Whooo-hoooo!" and go hog wild.
I don't think they would....
but the blood could be cool

heh, show us some implanting....

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Message no. 52 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK> once wrote,

>And verily, did Iridios hastily scribble thusly...
>|I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
>|American networks produce it.
>
>Agreed. So what about Canadian?
>The best animated thing in a long time came out of Canada.
>
>Reboot.
>

Spike, Spike, Spike..you are so wrong...

The best animated thing in a long time came out of Japan.

Ghost in the Shell :)

(If you love Shadowrun, and haven't seen that... you should be shot. Under
different names, you can spot lotsa Shadowrunny stuff...ruthenium, wired
reflexes, tons of cool cyber and guns..and superb, superb artwork)

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Message no. 53 On 23 Jul 98, at 22:29, Matt Penn wrote:

> Actually, I tend to agree. What they might have for the movie is the
> scrolling text deal like for Star Wars. Y'know, narration or something a
> la Blade Runner, even if was pathetic. Just something to let the average
> layperson not feel lost about the Awakened world of 205X, then blast 'em
> with a multi-million dollar FX budget and, God /Fate/Karma/Whatever
> willing, a good story and acting.

I think the way to approach this is similiar to what the X-files
movie did. Start off with a two-three hour TV movie, and then move
the audience to the theatre film. The TV movie would be mostly the
"It came to pass" stuff, and introduces the audience to the world of
Shadowrun.

Here is the way I see the story unfolding:

Seattle, 2060.

A man sits in front of a trid with a remote, and channel surfs. The
cameras pans to the screen he is watching. As the images flash by, we
(the audience) gets glimspes of the SR world of 2060 through
commercials, news clips, talk shows, etc. The image stops on a
history channel, that is sponsored by a corp (let's say Mitsuhama).
This is where the story unfolds, and plays out the drama of the "It
Came To Pass" section. Periodically, trid pirates break in for
"shadow comments" to set the record straight when they feel the trid
show is presenting a bias slant .

Also, periodically the camera pans to show the "man" doing various
"shadowrunny" things, but never show his face. Things like cleaning a
gun, or working out, or snapping in and out a cyber spur, or talking
to shadowy figures in whispers just outside the range of the camera,
etc. And the shadowy figures are weird; tall, large, pointy eared,
horned, etc.

As the history show concludes, the camera pans to the man running to
answer a ringing telecom. In the background, a group (the shadows
from earlier) sit around a table. They are silouhetted by an overhead
light. The man nods a few times, an briefly speaks, his answers
inaudible. He then breaks the connection, and returns to the group.
"It's time", he is heard to say, and the group stands. As they leave,
they're appearance is seen for the first time; this is a
stereotypical shadowrun group (i.e. archetypes). The next 10 minutes
show them on a typical snatch-and-grab run.
Finally, the camera returns to the trid with a breaking news report;
it seems to be talking about the run, but with the media/corp slant.
The screen fades.
"Welcome to the world of 2060"
"Welcome to Shadowrun"
Credits roll.
"Don't miss 'Shadowun: The Movie' coming soon to theatres near you"
Roll trailer.
-Finis-

At least, that's how I'd do it. :)

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Message no. 54 Justin Bell wrote:
>
> At 04:35 AM 7/24/98 EDT, K is the Symbol wrote:
> # In a message dated 7/23/1998 5:05:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> # steelclaw@****.COM writes:
> #
> # > -Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
> # > "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since Transformers."
> # >
> # Na, the "Beast Wars" is pretty cool, though I wish there were more of 'em
> and
> # at a time I could watch...
>
> umm, Beast Wars IS the transformers....
> ;)

don't know if you were kiddin or not. But the original
transformers(optimus prime not primal) was still the greatest show on
TV. Robotech (which comes on @*:35 on Cartoon network everday comes in
2nd
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Message no. 55 At 12:00 PM 7/24/98 -0400, BigDaddy wrote:
# Justin Bell wrote:
At 04:35 AM 7/24/98 EDT, K is the Symbol wrote:
# > # In a message dated 7/23/1998 5:05:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
# > # steelclaw@****.COM writes:
# > #
# > # > -Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
# > # > "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since Transformers."
# > # >
# > # Na, the "Beast Wars" is pretty cool, though I wish there were more of
'em
# > and
# > # at a time I could watch...
# >
# > umm, Beast Wars IS the transformers....
# > ;)
#
#
# don't know if you were kiddin or not. But the original
# transformers(optimus prime not primal) was still the greatest show on
# TV. Robotech (which comes on @*:35 on Cartoon network everday comes in
# 2nd

no, I'm not kidding... beast wars is called what technically, Transformers:
Beast Wars... or something...

but I dunno.... the transformers was too.... kid focused

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Message no. 56 Justin Bell wrote:
>
> At 12:00 PM 7/24/98 -0400, BigDaddy wrote:
> # Justin Bell wrote:
> At 04:35 AM 7/24/98 EDT, K is the Symbol wrote:
> # > # In a message dated 7/23/1998 5:05:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> # > # steelclaw@****.COM writes:
> # > #
> # > # > -Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
> # > # > "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since
Transformers."
> # > # >
> # > # Na, the "Beast Wars" is pretty cool, though I wish there were more
of
> 'em
> # > and
> # > # at a time I could watch...
> # >
> # > umm, Beast Wars IS the transformers....
> # > ;)
> #
> #
> # don't know if you were kiddin or not. But the original
> # transformers(optimus prime not primal) was still the greatest show on
> # TV. Robotech (which comes on @*:35 on Cartoon network everday comes in
> # 2nd
>
> no, I'm not kidding... beast wars is called what technically, Transformers:
> Beast Wars... or something...
>
> but I dunno.... the transformers was too.... kid focused
>
Ever see the movie? Transformers:The movie , resplenid artwork, tons of
violence, great voiceovers. what could be better for a drooling TF
lover!

Of course it was kidfocused? Adults don't buy toys, tshirts, lunchboxes,
shoes, or blankets with cartoons on it!

unless ya'll are not telling me something....;)
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Message no. 57 At 12:10 PM 7/24/98 -0400, BigDaddy wrote:
# Ever see the movie? Transformers:The movie , resplenid artwork, tons of
# violence, great voiceovers. what could be better for a drooling TF
# lover!
true enough, the movie kicked....

#
# Of course it was kidfocused? Adults don't buy toys, tshirts, lunchboxes,
# shoes, or blankets with cartoons on it!
#
# unless ya'll are not telling me something....;)
THEY DONT?!?!?
Oh man, you mean I have to take my Transformers sheets off my King size bed?

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Message no. 58 > Ghostbusters. I really liked the Ghostbusters cartoon. But only when
> Lorenzo Music was doing Venkman's voice.

There is a new version of GB out..It is pretty good..the artwork is
better..But Slimer is still floating around making a mess..
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===============================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
===============================================
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What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To See Them Driven Before You,
To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
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Message no. 59 In a message dated 7/24/98 9:15:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

> You obviously missed the tetrology (Last 4 episodes of season 2).
> And Seaon 3 hasn't made it to america yet.

Cartoon Network showed them as a special not too long ago. I am dying to see
the season 3 opener.

-Bandit

Message no. 60 In a message dated 7/24/98 11:27:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jeanpell@****.QC.CA writes:

> The best animated thing in a long time came out of Japan.
>
> Ghost in the Shell :)

I disagree, I though Ghost in the Shell was way too over rated, IMHO.

-El Bandit

Message no. 61 GRANITE wrote:
>
> > Ghostbusters. I really liked the Ghostbusters cartoon. But only when
> > Lorenzo Music was doing Venkman's voice.
>
> There is a new version of GB out..It is pretty good..the artwork is
> better..But Slimer is still floating around making a mess..

The art is BETTER? Er...no. I liked the slightly less "toony" original
Ghostbusters, thank you very much...the new style is looser and, IMO,
slightly sloppier. Although the new
"Ghostbusters Extreme" IS pretty cool in concept. It's one of the
cartoons I actually bother to watch if I get up early enough.
> --------------------------------GRANITE
> "Rock Steady"
> ===============================================
> Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
> The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
> And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
> Because They Pissed Me Off.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
> ===============================================
> Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
> What is best in life?
> To Crush Your Enemies,
> To See Them Driven Before You,
> To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
> I Am The LAW! -JD

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Message no. 62 > > There is a new version of GB out..It is pretty good..the artwork is
> > better..But Slimer is still floating around making a mess..
> The art is BETTER? Er...no. I liked the slightly less "toony"
original
> Ghostbusters,...

That is waht I meant by better..I don't like that toony..to use your
word..I don't like that toony look..
--------------------------------GRANITE
"Rock Steady"
===============================================
Lord, Grant Me The Serenity To Accept The Things I Cannot Change,
The Courage To Change The Things I Can,
And The Wisdom To Hide The Bodies Of Those People I Had To Kill
Because They Pissed Me Off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ShadowRunner's Serenity Prayer
===============================================
Understanding is a three edged sword. - Kosh
What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To See Them Driven Before You,
To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan
I Am The LAW! -JD

Message no. 63 What is best in life?
To Crush Your Enemies,
To See Them Driven Before You,
To Hear The Lamentation Of Their Women. -Conan

Actually, I think that was a quote from Genghis Khan. :-)

Message no. 64 At 11:29 AM 7/24/98 -0400, you wrote:

>Here is the way I see the story unfolding:
<snipped>

Sorry Tim, no offense, but you've got no future in Hollywood.

Even with a world as complex as Shadowrun, you'd have to do several things.
First, full immediate immersion. Start right off with a Shadowrun; let
the audience see orks and trolls working right with the humans and nasty
thievsing elveses in a shadowrun that starts off cool, then goes to hell
real quick and turns into a running gun battle. Second, have the main
character do a simple voiceover during key parts. Kept to a minimum
though; voice-overs can easily fail. A brief "And So It Came to Pass"
voice-over would be good though; other details would be revealed in normal
conversation. Don't need all the details, just need to get the point
across. As much as we hate to say it, you'd have to simplify the world
some. It's too damn complex for a feature length film to portray
accurately, so don't even bother. Just make sure what is there is
understandable and and flows. This also means keeping the plot from
getting too complicated. I don't mean letting the story be crap, but keep
it from becoming too convoluted. There's already lots to think about.

And the trailer would be lots of quick shots of action and the main
characters and the world itself. Give a feeling for the world and what the
film is about, but don't give specifics, don't explain there what the
trolls are or how they came to be.

So our opening sequence is a shadowrun that goes bad; credits can run while
the runners are sneaking in. Then the runners escape, try to figure out
who sold them out. Have some meetings with various contacts, have them
hunted by someone which allows for plenty of action, let them get proof
that their Johnson sold them out and is the one trying to erase them, which
brings us to a climactic battle inside a building, ala Die Hard where our
hero runners get the bad corporate guy.

Also allows for sequels...

Erik J.

Who's had a CP/SR script bouncing around in his head for about 6 years
now...

Message no. 65 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:06:29 EDT "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
writes:

>> The best animated thing in a long time came out of Japan.
>>
>> Ghost in the Shell :)
>
>I disagree, I though Ghost in the Shell was way too over rated, IMHO.

I've heard that the actual comic version is the best of all. Now I need
to find a copy...

-Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
"Sure, I read. There's comic books...RPG books...uh...the comics in the
newspaper..."

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Message no. 66 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:16:54 +0100 Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
writes:

>Has anyone ever actually SEEN Lorenzo Music?
>I think I saw the back of his head a couple of times when he played
>Carlton the doorman in Rhoda, but since then, it's been Garfield and
>Ghostbusters....

Nope. Not even Jim Davis. 'S true. He won't let himself be filmed, b/c
he thinks it'd detract from what he can project with his voice.

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Message no. 67 At 02:27 PM 7/24/98 -0400, Matt Penn wrote:
# On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:06:29 EDT "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
# writes:
#
# >> The best animated thing in a long time came out of Japan.
# >>
# >> Ghost in the Shell :)
# >
# >I disagree, I though Ghost in the Shell was way too over rated, IMHO.
#
# I've heard that the actual comic version is the best of all. Now I need
# to find a copy...

the anime isnt too bad, but its kinda slow...

the manga can be found in a trade paper back at most comics dealers
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Message no. 68 At 08:41 AM 7/24/98 -0400, Matt Penn wrote these timeless words:

>In the first 35 issues of Spawn nothing happened. You still haven't
>missed much.
>
I'm not too surprised :]

> And, I'm sure if FASA did an HBO cartoon they'd have the
>good sense to pull all that shit in their 'toon for the sole reason of,
>"Hey! We can show blood 'n boobies! Whooo-hoooo!" and go hog wild.
>
Sorry, but this would be a BAD plan :]

>>Besides... I could really get behind the Bull the Heroic Ork Decker
>Action
>>Figure battling Evil Wasp Spirits and the evil Aztechnology Megacorp
>>:]
>
>'Course, there could be the horror of going to the toy store and there
>being nothing but Bulls on the racks. :]
>
<laugh!>

Now, what's so bad about this? :]

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Message no. 69 Erik Jameson wrote:
Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:16:43 -0400

<snip>
> And the trailer would be lots of quick shots of action and the main
> characters and the world itself. Give a feeling for the world and what the
> film is about, but don't give specifics, don't explain there what the
> trolls are or how they came to be.
>
> So our opening sequence is a shadowrun that goes bad; credits can run while
> the runners are sneaking in. Then the runners escape, try to figure out
> who sold them out. Have some meetings with various contacts, have them
> hunted by someone which allows for plenty of action, let them get proof
> that their Johnson sold them out and is the one trying to erase them, which
> brings us to a climactic battle inside a building, ala Die Hard where our
> hero runners get the bad corporate guy.

This sounds *very* similar to the plot for the Mission Impossible
movie...

> Also allows for sequels...

Yes, it would. Hmmm... How about a Shadowrun serial movie? Like they
used to do in the 40s and 50s. Or a series of trailers explaining "How
it came to pass", these could be placed *right* before the start of
films that are expected to be blockbusters, slowly building up
expectation for the new movie (don't release the title right away),
after some time (this would/should take some long range planning)
announce the release.

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--Arthur C. Clarke

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Message no. 70 On 24 Jul 98, at 17:16, Erik Jameson wrote:

> Sorry Tim, no offense, but you've got no future in Hollywood.

None taken. Thanks for the compliment. :)

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Message no. 71 In a message dated 7/24/1998 9:52:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
justin@******.NET writes:

> # Na, the "Beast Wars" is pretty cool, though I wish there were more of 'em
> and
> # at a time I could watch...
>
> umm, Beast Wars IS the transformers....
>
Justin, you poor misled youngster you....for those of us remembering
Transformers as teenagers when it first came along, it ain't the same.

Sure, it's cool, but it just ain't the same....

-K (Soundwave, all the way man...)

Message no. 72 In a message dated 7/24/1998 10:30:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
drekhead@***.NET writes:

<snipped the narative concept>
>
> At least, that's how I'd do it. :)

And that ain't bad, but for some reason, I kept thinking of "Godfather" when
you described that, or maybe, if we got REALLY lucky, a twist on Devil's
Advocate's trailers....

-K

Message no. 73 In a message dated 7/24/1998 11:08:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
bigdaddy@*****.COM writes:

> Ever see the movie? Transformers:The movie , resplenid artwork, tons of
> violence, great voiceovers. what could be better for a drooling TF
> lover!
>
> Of course it was kidfocused? Adults don't buy toys, tshirts, lunchboxes,
> shoes, or blankets with cartoons on it!
>
Here's a thought, ever -played- Transformers: the Movie? We did way back
when. One beer per character that changed, and everone picked characters of
course. Pity the guy who was stuck with "the hyper character".

And as for "the BIG Villain", well, let's just say there was this nice,
frosty, 200 ounce pitcher waiting in the frig for the moment. Object of the
game was to chug it all during his transformation without spilling any.

-K (ah, the truly old days)

Message no. 74 At 07:31 PM 7/24/98 -0400, you wrote:

>> So our opening sequence is a shadowrun that goes bad; credits can run while
>> the runners are sneaking in. Then the runners escape, try to figure out
>> who sold them out. Have some meetings with various contacts, have them
>> hunted by someone which allows for plenty of action, let them get proof
>> that their Johnson sold them out and is the one trying to erase them, which
>> brings us to a climactic battle inside a building, ala Die Hard where our
>> hero runners get the bad corporate guy.
>
>This sounds *very* similar to the plot for the Mission Impossible
>movie...

Huh. I guess so. Well, it is a fairly common plot line.

>Yes, it would. Hmmm... How about a Shadowrun serial movie? Like they
>used to do in the 40s and 50s. Or a series of trailers explaining "How
>it came to pass", these could be placed *right* before the start of
>films that are expected to be blockbusters, slowly building up
>expectation for the new movie (don't release the title right away),
>after some time (this would/should take some long range planning)
>announce the release.

It would also cost a pile of money. I don't think a Shadowrun movie would
ever have enough studio support to warrant the sort of Armaggedon/Godzilla
sort of ad campaign.

But hey, it's pretty much only wishful thinking, right?

Erik J.

Message no. 75 At 02:43 AM 7/25/98 EDT, K is the Symbol wrote:
# In a message dated 7/24/1998 9:52:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
# justin@******.NET writes:
#
# > # Na, the "Beast Wars" is pretty cool, though I wish there were more of
'em
# > and
# > # at a time I could watch...
# >
# > umm, Beast Wars IS the transformers....
# >
# Justin, you poor misled youngster you....for those of us remembering
# Transformers as teenagers when it first came along, it ain't the same.
#
# Sure, it's cool, but it just ain't the same....

actually, I cant stand Beast Wars, and I remember Transformers from my LATE
teens.
;)

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Message no. 76 And verily, did GRANITE hastily scribble thusly...
|
|> Ghostbusters. I really liked the Ghostbusters cartoon. But only when
|> Lorenzo Music was doing Venkman's voice.
|
|There is a new version of GB out..It is pretty good..the artwork is
|better..But Slimer is still floating around making a mess..

And you forgot to mention that the characters are incredibly crap.

I mean really.
A black bloke in a wheelchair, a woman (who, if it was for older viewers
would probably have ended up being a lesbian), a hispanic, and another one.

It's just an excuse to bung a load of minority misfits into a series to
appease their guilt... Whatever they're guilty for....

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Message no. 77 And verily, did Iridios hastily scribble thusly...
|Yes, it would. Hmmm... How about a Shadowrun serial movie? Like they
|used to do in the 40s and 50s. Or a series of trailers explaining "How
|it came to pass", these could be placed *right* before the start of
|films that are expected to be blockbusters, slowly building up
|expectation for the new movie (don't release the title right away),
|after some time (this would/should take some long range planning)
|announce the release.
|

NOOOOO!
That is the LAST thing we want.
I do not want to see "Turbo" the rigger smashing into a wall one week and
exploding, only to see him jump clear in the nick of time the NEXT week.
(Even though you saw him in the drivers seat when the car hit, one week
ago.)
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Message no. 78 At 16:59 23/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Justin Bell wrote:
>>
>
>Hey, a Shadowrun cartoon done american, Spawn-style, would rock too...I
>doubt a watereed-down Saturday morning version would be cool, though.
>Anime would probably be the best bet.
>
>--Jett

Perhaps if it was animated more fluidly, it would be cool.... Has
anyone ever noticed how
American animation techniques are getting worse over the years?

Bira

Message no. 79 At 09:05 23/07/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 08:58 AM 7/23/98 -0500, The Bookworm wrote:
># On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, M. Sean Martinez wrote:
>#
># turn into RoboJox 3. I havent heard about any Shadowrun Movie deals yet.
>
>I dunno about you guys, but I always thought a Shadowrun Anime would rock....
>do we have many japanese people on this list?
>;)

I agree 100% with you! I don't know about Japanese people on the list,
but surely
there are a few otaku here (otaku meaning anime fan).... Me being one of
them (I imagine
all my SR characters in anime style :) ).

Bira

Message no. 80 At 22:42 23/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:16:31 -0500 Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
>writes:
>
>To keep this loosely on topic and as long as I'm dreaming, I'd like to
>see SR as anime, perhaps animated by the same studio what did Akira. I
>think it'd do well with a series of movies about a group of runners.
>You'd have far-out stuff like character development. Use Darque and
>Aztechnology as the bad guys.

Get the "Cyberpunk Dream Team" togheter for this one... Kenichi
Sonoda(Bubblegum Crisis), Mamoru Ooshi (directed Patlabor 2 and
the Ghost in the Shell movie), Katsuhiro Otomo (Akira) and, last but not
least, Masamune Shirow (Ghost in the Shell, Apleseed, Dominion)!

Now THAT would rock...

Bira

Message no. 81 At 12:53 24/07/98 +0100, you wrote:
>And verily, did Iridios hastily scribble thusly...
>|I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
>|American networks produce it.
>
>Agreed. So what about Canadian?
>The best animated thing in a long time came out of Canada.
>
>Reboot.

Did you know it was not the first computer-animated porduction? Guess
where the first came from? : ).

Bira

Message no. 82 At 09:53 24/07/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 08:41 AM 7/24/98 -0400, Matt Penn wrote:
>#
>I dunno about that, I got Armitage III for xmas, with Elizabeth Berkely and
>Keifer Sutherland doing the voices, didnt sound THAT much different to the
>normal dub quality, BUT, subtitles are better
>;)

There isn't a Japanese version of the Armitage III Polymatrix movie...
It was made for the external
market, so it was done entirely in English....

Bira

Message no. 83 At 11:29 24/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>On 23 Jul 98, at 22:29, Matt Penn wrote:
>
<snip trailer>

>>At least, that's how I'd do it. :)

We could apply all those concepts to run an adventure for total beginners
that were discussed some weeks ago... After all, to many people,
it would be their first contact with Shadowrun.

Bira

Message no. 84 At 12:47 24/07/98 +0100, you wrote:
>And verily, did M. Sean Martinez hastily scribble thusly...
>|I kinda like the Spiderman Animated TV show as well as The Superman Animated
>|Adventures. Nothing compared to anime, but still decent as far as humor and
>|plot goes.
>
>I tend to favour Batman, the animated series. I think it's the best version
>of The Joker since Caeser Romero...
>
>

That series has really twisted villiains... It's a pity that it has
already got into the "oh, it's him again" scheme...

Bira

Message no. 85 At 14:06 24/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/24/98 11:27:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>jeanpell@****.QC.CA writes:
>
>> The best animated thing in a long time came out of Japan.
>>
>> Ghost in the Shell :)
>
>I disagree, I though Ghost in the Shell was way too over rated, IMHO.
>
>-El Bandit

It took me a while to fully understand the story... Believe me, it's one
of the best movies (anime or not) that I have ever seen.

Bira

Message no. 86 At 00:42 24/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-07-23 22:52:39 EDT, you write:
>
>> Or just cast Leo DiCaprio as the street samurai.
>
>And that's a good example of what I was ranting about when I wrote the post
>about Hollywood fucking up a SR movie!
>
>I *might* cast DiCaprio as a snotty Elven mage ('cuz he looks like a
dandy) or
>a Decker, but I just couldn't picture him as a Street Samurai.
>
>Of course, from a money-making standpoint, hordes of teenage and pre-teen
>girls would flock to see it.... ;]

I woudn't cast that %()E(R$(#$@_)#@_ in a Shadowrun movie... You gotta
keep some quality, you know.

Bira

Message no. 87 At 17:16 23/07/98 -0500, you wrote:
>At 05:54 PM 7/23/98 -0400, Matt Penn wrote:
>
>I dunno about that..... Robotech was pretty good
>;)

Robotech was done by the Americans, by stitching togheter 3 anime
series... (I really prefer the original Macross series and
its derivates. Macross Plus rocks! Kinda cyberpunk, actually :) ) .

Bira

Message no. 88 At 11:24 24/07/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK> once wrote,
>
>
>
>
>Ghost in the Shell :)
>
>(If you love Shadowrun, and haven't seen that... you should be shot. Under
>different names, you can spot lotsa Shadowrunny stuff...ruthenium, wired
>reflexes, tons of cool cyber and guns..and superb, superb artwork)
>

I agree wholeheartedly.

S
P
O
I
L
E
R

S
P
A
C
E

F
O
R

G
.
I
.
T
.
S
.

And it makes you wonder that the Kusanagi/2501 hybrid hit the Net in
2029... You could connec that with SR history... Come on,
we all know WHAT happened in 2029...

Bira

Message no. 89 At 04:35 24/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/23/1998 5:05:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>steelclaw@****.COM writes:
>
>> -Matt, Homo Sapiens Robustus
>> "American cartoons ain't been worth shit since Transformers."
>>
>Na, the "Beast Wars" is pretty cool, though I wish there were more of 'em
and
>at a time I could watch...
>
>-K
>

It's a continuation of Transformers, actually... check out the names : ).

bira

Message no. 90 At 18:34 23/07/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
># I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
># American networks produce it.
>exactly....
>
>it;s amazing there isnt an anime about it or similar to it.
>

Ghost in the Shell can give an excellent idea about the technological
side... Combine that with a bit of Lodoss and voilà!

Bira

Message no. 91 At 10:10 23/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/23/98 10:07:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>justin@******.NET writes:
>
>> I dunno about you guys, but I always thought a Shadowrun Anime would
>rock....
>> do we have many japanese people on this list?
>
>I think there was a Shadowrun manga some time ago.
>
>-Bandit
>

Where can I get it? Is it still available? Give me the fixer's commcode
:) .

Bira

Message no. 92 At 12:22 PM 7/30/98 -0300, Ubiratan P. Alberton wrote:
# At 18:34 23/07/98 -0500, you wrote:
# >
# ># I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
# ># American networks produce it.
# >exactly....
# >
# >it;s amazing there isnt an anime about it or similar to it.
# Ghost in the Shell can give an excellent idea about the technological
# side... Combine that with a bit of Lodoss and voilà!

true, but it's still amazing that they havent already put out something
like it
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Message no. 93 > Robotech was done by the Americans, by stitching togheter 3 anime
> series... (I really prefer the original Macross series and
> its derivates. Macross Plus rocks! Kinda cyberpunk, actually :) ) .

Macross Plus does indeed rock, and the soundtracks (all three of them)
are good for background music for SR sessions.

There's also a 10-minute short anime called 'Running Man' - VERY VERY
good for understanding riggers...

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Message no. 94 > >> The best animated thing in a long time came out of Japan.
> >>
> >> Ghost in the Shell :)
> >
> >I disagree, I though Ghost in the Shell was way too over rated, IMHO.
>
> It took me a while to fully understand the story... Believe me, it's one
> of the best movies (anime or not) that I have ever seen.

The problem with the anime is that it stitches together a whole bunch of
the plots from the manga, and it makes a lot less sense that way. I'd
suggest reading the manga - apart from the fact that (unlike the movie)
it's genuine Shirow artwork. <worship, worship> :)

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 95 > ># I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
> ># American networks produce it.
> >exactly....
> >it;s amazing there isnt an anime about it or similar to it.
> Ghost in the Shell can give an excellent idea about the technological
> side... Combine that with a bit of Lodoss and voilà!

Ghost in the Shell combined with Lodoss?? How do you figure that?
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Message no. 96 > > ># I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
> > ># American networks produce it.
> > >exactly....
> > >it;s amazing there isnt an anime about it or similar to it.
> > Ghost in the Shell can give an excellent idea about the
> technological
> > side... Combine that with a bit of Lodoss and voilà!
>
> Ghost in the Shell combined with Lodoss?? How do you figure that?
>
GitS is just cyberpunk. You need the Lodoss thrown in
for the magic.

Message no. 97 And verily, did Ubiratan P. Alberton hastily scribble thusly...
|
|At 12:53 24/07/98 +0100, you wrote:
|>And verily, did Iridios hastily scribble thusly...
|>|I would love to see a Shadowrun Animated Feature, just don't let
|>|American networks produce it.
|>
|>Agreed. So what about Canadian?
|>The best animated thing in a long time came out of Canada.
|>
|>Reboot.

| Did you know it was not the first computer-animated porduction? Guess
|where the first came from? : ).

It *was* the first computer animated series.
And if you're thinking of Disney's TRON, then that wasn't true computer
animation.

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Message no. 98 > > Robotech was done by the Americans, by stitching togheter 3 anime
> > series... (I really prefer the original Macross series and
> > its derivates. Macross Plus rocks! Kinda cyberpunk, actually :) ) .
> Macross Plus does indeed rock, and the soundtracks (all three of them)
> are good for background music for SR sessions.

Hmm. Never thought 'bout tryin' that. Although I must admit I haven't
heard the soundtrack in a couple years.

> There's also a 10-minute short anime called 'Running Man' - VERY VERY
> good for understanding riggers...

Huh. I guess I'll have to see if I can find a copy.
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Message no. 99 > > There's also a 10-minute short anime called 'Running Man' - VERY VERY
> > good for understanding riggers...

Also, check out "Riding Bean". Dumb name, cool anime, and even better
car.

Eric Farmer
efarmer@********.cc.edu
http://www.cc.edu/~efarmer/

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