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Message no. 1
From: Wafflemiesters <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Fetish Foci
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:16:18 -0600
> > Also in the Grimmy (or maybeAwakenings) it gave the cost of Fetish foci as being
Rating X 3,000 =Y=, but then in the description, it said you could only use it once.
What's up with that? I'm going to pay 15,000 nuyen for a fetish I can only use once?
> >

<snip very nasty 1st ed. fetish focus rule>
>
> It did. 2nd ed. has no auto-successes. You'd get 4 Extra die in
> this instance.
>

The fetish focus is still a very useful and unique item. Sure, it is
pricey, but it adds dice to your spellcasting test (and does not have a
bonding cost). Big deal, you say- use an elemntal (aid sorcery) or a
re-usable focus instead? WRONG. Those add dice to your MAGIC POOL-
nice for ritual sorcery, but they will not allow (most) mages to cast
spells rolling 18+ dice, because you can only add magic pool equal to
magic rating to a spell casting test- This is part of what makes power
foci so useful- they raise magic as well as pool).

Using a fetish focus is every bit as good as using a power focus, for
spell casting purposes. The fetish focus is cheap and disposable- the
power focus is dear in all senses of the word. And, come a crunch, you
can use both.

So- want your starting mage to have his armor spell lock give +10 body,
and have no time for ritual sorcery with a huge pool of dice? Want to
cast an X-ray spell that will see through bank vaults? Use a couple
fetish foci, then lock that bad mother spell down! Need the punch to
kill a hive queen? Bring along a fetish focus!
I buy a rating 4-6 fetish focus (or 2) for most spells I lock, and would
advise the same for anchors or quickenings. Why spend karma sustaing a
less than optimal casting, if you have 10-50ky to spend? Thats like
buying crappy cyber when you can afford the good stuff.



Mongoose
Message no. 2
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Fetish Foci
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:34:02 -0500
At 04:16 PM 4/1/98 -0600, you wrote:

>The fetish focus is still a very useful and unique item. Sure, it is
>pricey, but it adds dice to your spellcasting test (and does not have a
>bonding cost). Big deal, you say- use an elemntal (aid sorcery) or a
>re-usable focus instead? WRONG. Those add dice to your MAGIC POOL-
>nice for ritual sorcery, but they will not allow (most) mages to cast
>spells rolling 18+ dice, because you can only add magic pool equal to
>magic rating to a spell casting test- This is part of what makes power
>foci so useful- they raise magic as well as pool).

True enough. It also makes Initiation that much more attractive and
lessens the allure of cyber for some people.

>Using a fetish focus is every bit as good as using a power focus, for
>spell casting purposes. The fetish focus is cheap and disposable- the
>power focus is dear in all senses of the word. And, come a crunch, you
>can use both.

I never quite thought of it that way for some unknown reason, but you're
right. For the end used, the fetish focus is terribly inexpensive. Most
magicians are desperate for karma, but have more nuyen than they know what
to do with (especially after they've bought Luxury lifestyle, the Saab
Dynamit, the biggest armor the GM will allow, etc.). The fetish focus
costs a pretty penny (15K isn't cheap for a one-shot) but for the magician
with everything but karma, it's a godsend. Get that extra punch when you
need it most, and all you have to do is shell out the nuyen.

I can't believe that this has never occured to me, or to apparently many
others on the list. We tend to get so wrapped up in our power foci, our
weapon foci, our combat spell foci, our spell locks, etc. we (I) sometimes
forget things like the fetish focus.

Good catch Waffledude.

Erik J.


"What was that popping sound?"

"A paradigm shifting without a clutch."
Message no. 3
From: Spider Murphy <crickel@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fetish Foci
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:06:33 -0600
> So- want your starting mage to have his armor spell lock give +10 body,
> and have no time for ritual sorcery with a huge pool of dice? Want to
> cast an X-ray spell that will see through bank vaults? Use a couple
> fetish foci, then lock that bad mother spell down! Need the punch to
> kill a hive queen? Bring along a fetish focus!
> I buy a rating 4-6 fetish focus (or 2) for most spells I lock, and would
> advise the same for anchors or quickenings. Why spend karma sustaing a
> less than optimal casting, if you have 10-50ky to spend? Thats like
> buying crappy cyber when you can afford the good stuff.

Note. Fetish foci may -only- be used with spells that also -normally- require fetishes to
begin with. In other words, if you don't have fetish requirements on your spells.. you're
screwed. And if you do.. well, you're using up fetishes that cost 15K every time
you cast that spell. -Every- time.

Spider Murphy
Message no. 4
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Fetish Foci
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:06:55 -0500
> From: Spider Murphy <crickel@***.EDU>
> Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 7:06 PM

> Note. Fetish foci may -only- be used with spells that also -normally-
require fetishes to begin with. In other words, if you don't have fetish
requirements on your spells.. you're screwed. And if you do.. well, you're
using up fetishes that cost 15K every time
> you cast that spell. -Every- time.

I sincerely doubt this is a canon rule. Do you have a quote/reference that
validates your comments?

> Spider Murphy

Justin
Message no. 5
From: Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject: Re: Fetish Foci
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:17:36 +1200
Quoth Justin Pinnow (1207 2-4-98):

Note. Fetish foci may -only- be used with spells that also
-normally-
require fetishes to begin with. In other words, if you don't
have fetish
requirements on your spells.. you're screwed. And if you do..
well, you're
using up fetishes that cost 15K every time
you cast that spell. -Every- time.

I sincerely doubt this is a canon rule. Do you have a
quote/reference that
validates your comments?


Sorry to bust your balloon, Spider, but Justin's right. I happen to
have the SRII Grimoire with me at school, and:

"...The spell need not require a focus, but if it does, the use of the
fetish focus fulfills that requirement." [pg.23, emphasis is mine.]

Danyel Woods

9604801@********.ac.nz
Hi, I'm Chucky.
Wanna play?
Message no. 6
From: Spider Murphy <crickel@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fetish Foci
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:31:16 -0600
Danyel N Woods wrote:

> Quoth Justin Pinnow (1207 2-4-98):
>
> Note. Fetish foci may -only- be used with spells that
> also-normally-
> require fetishes to begin with. In other words, if you don't have
> fetish
> requirements on your spells.. you're screwed. And if you do..
> well, you're
> using up fetishes that cost 15K every time you cast that spell.
> -Every- time.
>
> I sincerely doubt this is a canon rule. Do you have a
> quote/reference that
> validates your comments?
>
> Sorry to bust your balloon, Spider, but Justin's right. I happen to
> have the SRII Grimoire with me at school, and:
>
> "...The spell need not require a focus, but if it does, the use of the
> fetish focus fulfills that requirement." [pg.23, emphasis is mine.]

Eh? -flip- -flip- -flip- -flip- -flip- .... Well, shoot. My brain isn't
working today.

I should have known better. This morning I needed to open my locked door
and got out my student ID... stood there for a couple seconds, thought,
'what the hell am I holding my ID for?', put it back, got out my keys...

It's been a long week.

Spider Murphy
Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Fetish Foci
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:27:01 +0100
Spider Murphy said on 18:06/ 1 Apr 98...

> Note. Fetish foci may -only- be used with spells that also -normally-
> require fetishes to begin with. In other words, if you don't have
> fetish requirements on your spells.. you're screwed. And if you do..
> well, you're using up fetishes that cost 15K every time you cast that
> spell. -Every- time.

Not true. I quote the Grimoire, page 23: "The spell need not require a
fetish, but if it does, the use of the fetish focus fulfills that
requirement."

ANY spell can be enhanced by the use of a fetish focus, and any fetish
focus can be used for any spell.

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Message no. 8
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fetish Foci
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:51:41 +0000
> Note. Fetish foci may -only- be used with spells that also -normally- require
fetishes to begin with. In other words, if you don't have fetish requirements on your
spells.. you're screwed. And if you> you cast that spell. -Every- time.

ACtually, Grimmy says that it does NOT have to be a fetish required
spell, but that if it is, this will fulfill the requirement.

-=SwiftOne=-
Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
AAP Techie

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