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Message no. 1
From: Ahern T Stephan <maxim@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Flame War....
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 14:48:43 -0500
Hey. Let's set aside on day for the Flame War. Just to get rid of a bunch
of stress that a lot of us have had lately.
Just a thought.

--
Ahern T. Stephan
maxim@*******.mankato.msus.edu

"Artificial Intelligence Beats Real Stupidity"
Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War....
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 15:02:32 -0500
On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Ahern T Stephan wrote:

> Hey. Let's set aside on day for the Flame War. Just to get rid of a bunch
> of stress that a lot of us have had lately.
> Just a thought.

Musta been because it's Tax season.

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Message no. 3
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War....
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 18:37:47 -0500
Amen. I will join that. Maybe we should set up a separate mailing list, tho.
Message no. 4
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Flame War....
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 17:15:22 -0400
On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Robert A. Hayden wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Ahern T Stephan wrote:
>
> > Hey. Let's set aside on day for the Flame War. Just to get rid of a bunch
> > of stress that a lot of us have had lately.
> > Just a thought.
>
> Musta been because it's Tax season.
>
I was once on a BBS (now defunct) which had an area set aside
specifically for people to flame their friends -- in other words, you
could flame people all you wanted, and know that they wouldn't hold it
against you later. Lots of mindless fun....

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Message no. 5
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 19:19:01 -0400
Right now, I feel like flaming the living Hell out of somebody.
Any suggestions? (And, yes, I _know_ I should chill out, take a valium,
get laid, whatever.)
Message no. 6
From: Timothy Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 18:25:32 -0500
> Right now, I feel like flaming the living Hell out of
> somebody. Any suggestions? (And, yes, I _know_ I should chill out,
> take a valium, get laid, whatever.)

Wow. My quoter just went insane...

ANYWAY, why not flame the Green Card Lottery people? Too anonymous?
Still, it ought to be fun to send fun letters (with false titles) to their
other accounts, which I didn't save by the way...but I saw them once.

----------------------- "Well, you see, they took the Bible literally.
Tim Skirvin Adam and Eve, the snake and the apple...took
(tskirvin@ it word for word. Unfortunately, their
superdec.uni.uiuc.edu) version had a misprint."
----------------------- - Rimmer, Red Dwarf (The Last Day)
Message no. 7
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 23:29:46 -0400
On Sun, 17 Apr 1994, Timothy Skirvin wrote:

> ANYWAY, why not flame the Green Card Lottery people? Too anonymous?
> Still, it ought to be fun to send fun letters (with false titles) to their
> other accounts, which I didn't save by the way...but I saw them once.
>
I sent them a nice, polite letter after I realized they'd sent
that damned thing to every single newsgroup, asking them to never do that
again. Since I'm not a 100% nice guy, I sent it cc: the root at that
site, who probably already knew about it. (Can you imagine how long it
must've taken to send a message like that? There were never more than two
or three groups per message-id!)
I liked the idea of one guy, who said to just simply forward them
a copy of the letter every time anybody saw it, so that they might realize
the enormity of their mistake.
Message no. 8
From: "Brian W. Allison" <bwa550s@***.SMSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 23:10:40 -0500
Guys, the site which offers services to the "Green Card" posters went
down once already under the "you're morons!" type mail the the posters.
Unfortunately, the posters are lawyers. that's right, lawyers. When the
site providing them service threatened to cut them off, they responded by
threatening to sue for $250,000 for possible lost business.

We need to start exterminating.

Since the site is unable to punish (or unwilling to face a possible lawsuit)
the offending people, it might very well be useful to warn them of an
'internet boycott'. that way they could prepare as best they could. However,
don't really expect them to punish the lawyers... who can? No other lawyer
would try, IMO.

Lawyers - an institution by and for their own furthering.
Shoot on sight.

------------------------------------------
Brian (bwa550s@***.smsu.edu)
<<Lone Star, when it absolutely, positively, has to be screwed up.>>
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Message no. 9
From: Nightfox <DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 21:20:00 -0700
>don't really expect them to punish the lawyers... who can? No other lawyer
>would try, IMO.

Actually, there are lawyers out there who will help you sue other lawyers for
malpractice!!!! And they say there's no honor among THEIVES!!!!

>Lawyers - an institution by and for their own furthering.
>Shoot on sight.

Hey, if it wasn't for lawyers who would be left to take the money from court
cases that actually get won?? Surely not the people who won the money (this is
cerebral sarcasm if you haven't noticed yet - and not very good sarcasm at that)
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DJWA@******.UCC.NAU.EDU + Nau fencing club.
"Nightfox" + Brotherhood of the Cryptic Demesne -household
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Message no. 10
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 00:30:39 -0400
net.newbies and common flamers, stop reading now!




I've discovered that someplace in GopherSpace lies a file of the
complete works of Shakespeare, which takes up more than five megabytes.
If you telnet directly to a gopher site, it'll say its from the gopher,
not from you.
Now, I don't suggest you do this lightly. Save it for when
somebody's harassing you, or harassing a list you're on (which rarely
happens here, thanks to quick action from our Fearless Leader and DEATH.)
Message no. 11
From: Egil Geir Brautaset <egilbra@***.UNIT.NO>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 10:15:06 +0000
On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Jai Tao wrote:

> net.newbies and common flamers, stop reading now!
>
>
>
>
> I've discovered that someplace in GopherSpace lies a file of the
> complete works of Shakespeare, which takes up more than five megabytes.
> If you telnet directly to a gopher site, it'll say its from the gopher,
> not from you.
> Now, I don't suggest you do this lightly. Save it for when
> somebody's harassing you, or harassing a list you're on (which rarely
> happens here, thanks to quick action from our Fearless Leader and DEATH.)

Excuse me for breaking into this thread, but what does the complete works
of Shakespeare have to do with flames and/or harassment?

(I think it is a good thing that immortal works are available on the
net.)


-- Egil <egilbra@***.unit.no>
Message no. 12
From: J Gavigan <csc086@*****.LANCS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 11:35:17 +0100
> Guys, the site which offers services to the "Green Card" posters went
> down once already under the "you're morons!" type mail the the posters.
> Unfortunately, the posters are lawyers. that's right, lawyers. When the
> site providing them service threatened to cut them off, they responded by
> threatening to sue for $250,000 for possible lost business.

Hell, if the site owners get enough complaints of harrassment, etc., they
ought to be able to justify withdrawing services.

> We need to start exterminating.

Gimme dere account name, boy!!!!!

> Since the site is unable to punish (or unwilling to face a possible lawsuit)
> the offending people, it might very well be useful to warn them of an
> 'internet boycott'. that way they could prepare as best they could. However,
> don't really expect them to punish the lawyers... who can? No other lawyer
> would try, IMO.

Muahahahahahahahahaa!!! WE can punish them!!!!!
We are the <insert appropriate drumroll>INTERNET VIGILANTES!!!
Seriously, though, we could really piss them off. :)
How?
port 25.
Muahahahahahahahahahahahaaa!!!

> Lawyers - an institution by and for their own furthering.
> Shoot on sight.

Hmmph! Bullet's too good for them!

Jacking' out...

/> Dodger
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Message no. 13
From: Timothy Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 07:50:22 -0500
On the Green Card thing...

Just realize that actually sending stuff to the account they used, or
the postmaster thereof, is useless. They already disabled the account, and are
getting sued for it (breach of contract or something). They apparently have
gotten several hundred megs of mail through it...they said at least 30000 mess-
ages.

In other words, flame them at their other accounts, where they still
HAVE accounts.

----------------------- "Well, you see, they took the Bible literally.
Tim Skirvin Adam and Eve, the snake and the apple...took
(tskirvin@ it word for word. Unfortunately, their
superdec.uni.uiuc.edu) version had a misprint."
----------------------- - Rimmer, Red Dwarf (The Last Day)
Message no. 14
From: "Brian W. Allison" <bwa550s@***.SMSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 08:51:25 -0500
On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Timothy Skirvin wrote:

I would very much like to know where their new account is!!!!

(scummy lawyers with no netiquette be damned!)



> On the Green Card thing...
>
> Just realize that actually sending stuff to the account they used, or
> the postmaster thereof, is useless. They already disabled the account, and
are
> getting sued for it (breach of contract or something). They apparently have
> gotten several hundred megs of mail through it...they said at least 30000
mess-
> ages.
>
> In other words, flame them at their other accounts, where they still
> HAVE accounts.
>
> ----------------------- "Well, you see, they took the Bible literally.
> Tim Skirvin Adam and Eve, the snake and the apple...took
> (tskirvin@ it word for word. Unfortunately, their
> superdec.uni.uiuc.edu) version had a misprint."
> ----------------------- - Rimmer, Red Dwarf (The Last Day)
>

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Brian (bwa550s@***.smsu.edu)
<<Lone Star, when it absolutely, positively, has to be screwed up.>>
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Message no. 15
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 02:05:59 +0930
>
>Muahahahahahahahahaa!!! WE can punish them!!!!!
>We are the <insert appropriate drumroll>INTERNET VIGILANTES!!!
>Seriously, though, we could really piss them off. :)
>How?
>port 25.

Oooh... a cracker, uh?? Well, better watch out, Dodger. Port 25 _can_ be
traced if you don't cover everything. :)

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
Real Programmers never work 9 to 5. If any real programmers are around at 9 am,
it's because they were up all night.
Message no. 16
From: Timothy Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 11:47:54 -0500
Sorry, I didn't save the accounts. I SHOULD have.

I think it was on one of the comp.sys.ibm.pc.games groups that it was
said. Scan 'em for Green Card Lottery responses...

----------------------- "Well, you see, they took the Bible literally.
Tim Skirvin Adam and Eve, the snake and the apple...took
(tskirvin@ it word for word. Unfortunately, their
superdec.uni.uiuc.edu) version had a misprint."
----------------------- - Rimmer, Red Dwarf (The Last Day)
Message no. 17
From: J Gavigan <csc086@*****.LANCS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 17:51:12 +0100
> Oooh... a cracker, uh?? Well, better watch out, Dodger. Port 25 _can_ be
> traced if you don't cover everything. :)

I hereby state that I have no knowledge of cracking techniques,
have I ever attempted to crack a system.
*gives Watkins a dirty look*

Jackin' out...

/> Dodger
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Message no. 18
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 11:57:05 -0500
On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Robert Watkins wrote:

> Oooh... a cracker, uh?? Well, better watch out, Dodger. Port 25 _can_ be
> traced if you don't cover everything. :)

And even if you DO cover aeverything, it can still be traced.

Besides, it's far from original, and I actually consider it to be an
elementary-school level hack. I'm far from impressed

Now, manipulating /dev/nit WAS an interesting hack, although that one's
been mostly dealt with by the CERT advisory (although even that took
eight months to come about).

As for the greencard lawyers and their carpet bombing of usenet, that has
been dealt with. They'll probably be disbarred. I'd say they filed suit
as a knee-jerk reaction.

Please follow up this thread to comp.org.eff.talk or news.admin.*


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Message no. 19
From: Micah Levy <M.Levy@**.UCL.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 20:54:12 +0100
And if someone REALLY pisses you off, there's all those anonymous mail
forwarding services that would handle Shakespeare's works very nicely....Oh, a
few megs of email can cause accounts to exceed their quota quite quickly.


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Message no. 20
From: Doc_X <northrup@*****.CAS.USF.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 17:50:43 -0400
On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Jai Tao wrote:

> I've discovered that someplace in GopherSpace lies a file of the
> complete works of Shakespeare, which takes up more than five megabytes.
> If you telnet directly to a gopher site, it'll say its from the gopher,
> not from you.

Where is this site? I wopuld be interested in having the complete works
of Will for my own personal edification1

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Message no. 21
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 17:01:17 -0500
On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Doc_X wrote:

> Where is this site? I wopuld be interested in having the complete works
> of Will for my own personal edification1

via FTP:
ftp.std.com:/obi

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Message no. 22
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Flame War
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 23:59:43 -0400
On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Doc_X wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Jai Tao wrote:
>
> > I've discovered that someplace in GopherSpace lies a file of the
> > complete works of Shakespeare, which takes up more than five megabytes.
> > If you telnet directly to a gopher site, it'll say its from the gopher,
> > not from you.
>
> Where is this site? I wopuld be interested in having the complete works
> of Will for my own personal edification1
>
Just do a Veronica search (avaliable from almost every large
Gopher site) for the word "Shakespeare," and it'll show up, as well as
many smaller files with the same information.
There are even a few places where you can _search_ through the
works for specific words, phrases, etcetera.

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