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Message no. 1
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Free Bugs
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 11:11:41 -0600
I've got a few questions about free bugs. First, are Mantids considered
free spirits (According to Target: UCAS, bugs can go free if the queen
dies ... but what about those without a queen?) if they are not
controlled by an insect shaman(ess)? I had thought Queens were free
spirits with Spirit Energy but couldn't find anything on it... am I
imagining things? Also, should free bug spirits with attributes of
Host+Force(+x) be allowed to advance the host's attributes through karma?
IOW, if you have a free flesh-form ant spirit worker (say THAT five
times fast [THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT] {Oh shut up!}.) as a major
recurring foe, would it be reasonable for it to be
stronger/faster/tougher each time the runners face it? Also, would you
add the Spirit Energy to the Host Attributes?

Lastly, I noticed that Bugs in the Grimoire have armor but they don't in
Bug City. Bug City is more recent so I assume it is correct. Anybody
know more on the matter? (I hope this is cleared up in MitS ... DAMN I
can't wait to get my mitts on MitS! :)

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"You, you're like a spoonful of whoopass." --Grace
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
Edition)

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Message no. 2
From: Barbie LeVile barbie@********.de
Subject: Free Bugs
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 19:17:12 +0100
dghost@****.com wrote:
>
> I've got a few questions about free bugs. First, are Mantids considered
> free spirits (According to Target: UCAS, bugs can go free if the queen
> dies ... but what about those without a queen?) if they are not
> controlled by an insect shaman(ess)? I had thought Queens were free
> spirits with Spirit Energy but couldn't find anything on it... am I
> imagining things? Also, should free bug spirits with attributes of
> Host+Force(+x) be allowed to advance the host's attributes through karma?
> IOW, if you have a free flesh-form ant spirit worker (say THAT five
> times fast [THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT] {Oh shut up!}.) as a major
> recurring foe, would it be reasonable for it to be
> stronger/faster/tougher each time the runners face it? Also, would you
> add the Spirit Energy to the Host Attributes?
>
ok, the female matis or a queem goes free when she breaks the bound to her
sumoner, mainly by killing them, then they are free with all that brings
with it. and yes you add SE to force for the calculations.

--
Barbie

"I'm Pentium of Borg. Precision is irrelevant.
You will be aproximated."
Message no. 3
From: Mongoose m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Free Bugs
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:42:20 -0600
:I've got a few questions about free bugs. First, are Mantids considered
:free spirits (According to Target: UCAS, bugs can go free if the queen
:dies ... but what about those without a queen?) if they are not
:controlled by an insect shaman(ess)?

I'd think so, yes.

I had thought Queens were free
:spirits with Spirit Energy but couldn't find anything on it... am I
:imagining things?

They are not always free, no. They can certainly go free, and
genarally work at doing so.

:Also, should free bug spirits with attributes of
:Host+Force(+x) be allowed to advance the host's attributes through karma?

Normal karma expenditure, as with a character? No, I'd say not.
Thier form is locked to the flesh by thier conjuring, but they are
spirits.

: IOW, if you have a free flesh-form ant spirit worker (say THAT five
:times fast [THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT] {Oh shut up!}.) as a major
:recurring foe, would it be reasonable for it to be
:stronger/faster/tougher each time the runners face it? Also, would you
:add the Spirit Energy to the Host Attributes?


I would not think it's base attributes could change, but spirit
energey specifically affects interactions with the physical world, so I
WOULD expect that to add to physical attributtes, flesh form or no.

:Lastly, I noticed that Bugs in the Grimoire have armor but they don't in
:Bug City. Bug City is more recent so I assume it is correct. Anybody
:know more on the matter? (I hope this is cleared up in MitS ... DAMN I
:can't wait to get my mitts on MitS! :)


I really don't know about the armor, but MiTS will give the current
official take on bugs, yes.

Mongoose
Message no. 4
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Free Bugs
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 17:33:46 -0600
On Sat, 27 Mar 1999 15:42:20 -0600 "Mongoose" <m0ng005e@*********.com>
writes:
<SNIP>
>:I had thought Queens were free
>:spirits with Spirit Energy but couldn't find anything on it... am I
>:imagining things?

> They are not always free, no. They can certainly go free, and
>genarally work at doing so.

Yeah, I just found where it said that, thanks (and thanks Barbie :)

So, uhm what chart should they use to randomly select Free Spirit Powers
(and is the Force Drain Free Bug Power automatic or randomly picked like
the others?)? I was thinking of having them use the Nature Spirit chart
rather than writing a new one.

>:Also, should free bug spirits with attributes of
>:Host+Force(+x) be allowed to advance the host's attributes through
karma?

> Normal karma expenditure, as with a character? No, I'd say not.
>Thier form is locked to the flesh by thier conjuring, but they are
>spirits.

Okay, so you think it's more like an Ally inhabitting a homunculus (sp?)
body rather than a the spirit possessing a still living body (In other
words, the host is alive but the original spirit is
displaced/destroyed.)?

<SNIP>
>:Also, would you
>:add the Spirit Energy to the Host Attributes?

> I would not think it's base attributes could change, but spirit
>energey specifically affects interactions with the physical world, so I
>WOULD expect that to add to physical attributtes, flesh form or no.

Yeah, that was kind of my reason for asking but Grimmythingy says that
Spirit Energy adds to Force for Attributes while physically manifest (I
hope MitS changes this ... I think it's stupid to have a free spirit be
smarter while physically manifest.). I was just wondering if you thought
it should add to say a flesh forms physical attributes (which are
Host's-1 rather than Force +/-x.), like the Animal Form Free Spirit
Power.

>:Lastly, I noticed that Bugs in the Grimoire have armor but they don't
in
>:Bug City. Bug City is more recent so I assume it is correct. Anybody
>:know more on the matter? (I hope this is cleared up in MitS ... DAMN I
>:can't wait to get my mitts on MitS! :)

> I really don't know about the armor,

Ignore the armor bit ... I conviently overlooked the column in Bug City
labeled, oddly enough, "Armor". :)

>but MiTS will give the current
>official take on bugs, yes.

<Earthworm Jim>
Gah-roovy!
</Earthworm Jim>

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"You, you're like a spoonful of whoopass." --Grace
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
Edition)

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Message no. 5
From: œLaughing Manœ oliver_wilken@*******.com
Subject: Free Bugs
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:25:56 PST
I've got a few questions about free bugs. First, are Mantids
consideredfree spirits (According to Target: UCAS, bugs can go free if
the queendies ... but what about those without a queen?) if they are not
controlled by an insect shaman(ess)? I had thought Queens were
freespirits with Spirit Energy but couldn't find anything on it... am I
imagining things? Also, should free bug spirits with attributes of
Host+Force(+x) be allowed to advance the host's attributes through
karma?
IOW, if you have a free flesh-form ant spirit worker (say THAT five
times fast [THAT THAT THAT THAT THAT] {Oh shut up!}.) as a major
recurring foe, would it be reasonable for it to be stronger/faster
tougher each time the runners face it? Also, would you add the Spirit
Energy to the Host Attributes?

Lastly, I noticed that Bugs in the Grimoire have armor but they don't in
Bug City. Bug City is more recent so I assume it is correct. Anybodym
know more on the matter? (I hope this is cleared up in MitS ... DAMN I
can't wait to get my mitts on MitS! :)

--
D. Ghost


To answer your first question, ANY spirit that is not controlled by a
mage or shaman is considered to be a free spirit (even queen insect
spirits).

For your second question; yes, spirit energy should be added to the
attributes that the spirit has (as such, a flesh form insect spirit
would add it to the host attributes also. It is a part of the spirit).

On that last thing, I though only a few of the spirits had armor to
begin with (I'm pretty suire that the ant did).

I hope that this help you some, though I haven't seen the Bug City
supplement yet.

*Laughing Man <Strikes again/ha,ha,ha>
Hermetic Mage Extraordinar
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