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Message no. 1
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Fun with Frames :)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:19:18 -0500
If RAS can shut down your motor system, can it take it over too? (btw, I
do know someone made up rules for something similar using Wired Reflexes
level 0)
This could have a few uses:

Put it in someone elses deck and have a specialized frame do something
with their body ... like kill themselves or their loved ones ...

Put it in your own deck and have it take care of basic neccessities
(food, bathroom breaks) while you're decking. (or make an autopilot for
you deck so you can take care of them yourself ... Like DINAB for your
MPCP :)

Hmmmm ... this also gives me ideas for special flaws/edges ... Iron
Bladder (flaw have to go to the bathroom every couple of hours) & Rubber
Bladder (Can "Hold it" for up to 12 hrs) ... the names come from an
inside joke between me & a friend :)

Btw, How many GMs have players who make deckers with symbiotes and/or
superthyroid glands and expect to sit still for the duration of a decking
run? <eg>

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 2
From: BigDaddy <bigdaddy@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Fun with Frames :)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:51:37 -0400
>
> Btw, How many GMs have players who make deckers with symbiotes and/or
> superthyroid glands and expect to sit still for the duration of a decking
> run? <eg>

dude that is pure sadism!
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Message no. 3
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Fun with Frames :)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:34:12 -0400
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At 09:19 PM 6/28/98 -0500, D.Ghost wrote:
>If RAS can shut down your motor system, can it take it over too?
(btw, I
>do know someone made up rules for something similar using Wired
Reflexes
>level 0)
>This could have a few uses:

Actually, the big use for this has already been documented: Skillsoft
technology.

Unfortunately, it's a lot easier to suppress certain neural signals
from the neck down than it is to generate a coordinated, articulate
set of motor responses, which is why you need skillwires to run
skillsofts, while you only need a datajack (and perhaps even just a
'trode rig, the books aren't entirely clear on this) to be able to
override the body's Reticular Activation System.
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Message no. 4
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Fun with Frames :)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:01:17 PDT
>If RAS can shut down your motor system, can it take it over too? (btw,
I
>do know someone made up rules for something similar using Wired
Reflexes
>level 0)

Not easilyor effectively- you can still actand pecieve normally
while decking hot, but at a big TN penalty to both activities.

>This could have a few uses:
>
>Put it in someone elses deck and have a specialized frame do something
>with their body ... like kill themselves or their loved ones ...

Thats black IC. Pscotropic Black IC can evenmake those events
occur long after the decking incident.


>Btw, How many GMs have players who make deckers with symbiotes and/or
>superthyroid glands and expect to sit still for the duration of a
decking
>run? <eg>

Decking runs are not THAT long- minutes, usually. Matrix searches
aredoneby (non-game rules specific) "frames"- you can getup to grab some
munchies, and come back to give it some more input. If I play a
characterwith a suprathyriod, he usually buys a lot of "downers" on the
street, to make sleeping and such easier. Sheesh, even a hyperactive 4
year old can use the WWW.

-Mongoose

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Message no. 5
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Fun with Frames :)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:06:22 -0500
On Sun, 5 Jul 1998 12:01:17 PDT Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM> writes:
>>If RAS can shut down your motor system, can it take it over too? (btw,
I
>>do know someone made up rules for something similar using Wired
Reflexes
>>level 0)

> Not easilyor effectively- you can still actand pecieve normally
>while decking hot, but at a big TN penalty to both activities.



>>This could have a few uses:
>>
>>Put it in someone elses deck and have a specialized frame do something
>>with their body ... like kill themselves or their loved ones ...

> Thats black IC. Pscotropic Black IC can evenmake those events
>occur long after the decking incident.

These were just what came to mind first :) and these are different than
Black & Psychotropic Black IC. After the fact, you will be able to tell
that someone died from black IC or acted under the influence of
Psychotrpic IC, but how can you detect if someone was controlled through
the RAS?

>>Btw, How many GMs have players who make deckers with symbiotes and/or
>>superthyroid glands and expect to sit still for the duration of a
decking
>>run? <eg>

> Decking runs are not THAT long- minutes, usually. Matrix searches
>aredoneby (non-game rules specific) "frames"- you can getup to grab some
>munchies, and come back to give it some more input. If I play a
>characterwith a suprathyriod, he usually buys a lot of "downers" on the
>street, to make sleeping and such easier. Sheesh, even a hyperactive 4
>year old can use the WWW.
>
>-Mongoose
<SNIP>

I don't like waiting on my browser now ... If I don't have half a dozen
windows loading at a time, I get antsy waiting on them ... I ussually
have 5-10+ windows going AND a few programs running too ... (like reading
my juno mail while waiting for pages to load then send when I get offline
...

Back to SR, How long do you have to deck whilst covering teammates in a
physical intrusion ... could be a while ... you have to do some stuff
before they get there, lots of stuff while there're there, and then clean
up afterwards ... You could be there for a while ... also, I was thinking
mainly someone with Superthyroid and level 3 symbiotes ...

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
"Let he who is without SIN cast the first stone"

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Message no. 6
From: wafflemiester <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: Fun with Frames
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:11:15 -0500
> Re: Fun with Frames :) (Alfredo B Alves , 6/15/98 20:06)

> >>This could have a few uses:
> >>
> >>Put it in someone elses deck and have a specialized frame do something
> >>with their body ... like kill themselves or their loved ones ...
>
> > Thats black IC. Pscotropic Black IC can evenmake those events
> >occur long after the decking incident.
>
> These were just what came to mind first :) and these are different than
> Black & Psychotropic Black IC. After the fact, you will be able to tell
> that someone died from black IC or acted under the influence of
> Psychotrpic IC, but how can you detect if someone was controlled through
> the RAS?

The same way you would know if somebody was under the influence of 2XS
(not always easy) -basically, the assist cirtcuits of a cyberdeck are
the same as a simdeck, except matrix oriented. Similar to how both
monitors and TV's display images (both can cuase siezures, as well).
However, the RAS overide (which most simdecks have) REDUCES input from
the body to the mind. It does not give the deck more control of the
body than an equally "hot" simsense playback would have.
As for Black IC, I remeber a FASA modual where black IChad been loaded
into sombodies deck / personal host for the express purpose of killing
them, functioning clearly difrently from normal IC. It may even have
beenonachip (now thats nasty- black IC' softs!) This would now be
possible with Frames and Black Hammer, but there is no "Psycho Hammer",
(psycotropicIC equivalent) yet. But with a million otaku spending a
million years inthe matrix...

>
> >>Btw, How many GMs have players who make deckers with symbiotes and/or
> >>superthyroid glands and expect to sit still for the duration of a
> decking
> >>run? <eg>
>
> > Decking runs are not THAT long- minutes, usually. Matrix searches
> >aredoneby (non-game rules specific) "frames"- you can getup to grab
some
> >munchies, and come back to give it some more input. If I play a
> >characterwith a suprathyriod, he usually buys a lot of "downers" on the
> >street, to make sleeping and such easier. Sheesh, even a hyperactive 4
> >year old can use the WWW.

> I don't like waiting on my browser now ... If I don't have half a dozen
> windows loading at a time, I get antsy waiting on them ... I ussually
> have 5-10+ windows going AND a few programs running too ... (like reading
> my juno mail while waiting for pages to load then send when I get offline
> ...

Do you have a gland condition, a high metabolism, or just little
patience and multiple interests? Sounds like personal prefrence to me.
I know some youngsters who are very focused- for example, I've seen kids
do yoga and Tia Chi.

>
> Back to SR, How long do you have to deck whilst covering teammates in a
> physical intrusion ... could be a while ... you have to do some stuff
> before they get there, lots of stuff while there're there, and then clean
> up afterwards ... You could be there for a while ... also, I was thinking
> mainly someone with Superthyroid and level 3 symbiotes ...

OK, those case I can see. That's EXTREME bioware- for that guy, I'd
recomend a IV drip or automated feeding tube if he had to deck for more
than 2 hour. I can only go without eating for about 8 hours before
actually loosing functional efeciency, or at least concentration, and
this dude would likely have fewer energy reserves than even I do.

-Mongoose

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