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Message no. 1
From: The Swordsman <swordman@******.NET>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Cover Modifiers]
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:13:00 -0500
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"Creativity is my sharpest weapon!"
-The Swordsman '97

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:03:20 -0500
From: The Swordsman <swordman@******.net>
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Subject: Re: Cover Modifiers
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David Buehrer wrote:
>
> Justin Pinnow wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Another way to think of it is, does the cover apply to the target as
> well? If the attacker is standing behind a waist high wall, and his
> target is far enough away that the wall doesn't provide him any
> cover, then he (the target) isn't behind cover.

My thoughts exactly.

> [snip: Do TN modifiers apply to spellcasting?]
>
> Yes. Perception, cover, and movement modifiers apply to
> spellcasting.

This one I would have to argue, I would say Movement would apply to
spell casting, but if casting a combat spell and you can see even the
smallest sliver of your opponent, like the foot under a bathroom stall,
they are in LOS. With combat spells you aren't targeting a location, you
are tageting an aura, it doesn't matter how much of that aura it visible
just that it is, that why combat spells ignore armor of any kind (cyber
or otherwise) you aren't targeting the body, but the life behind the
shield, and also the reason no one "call-shot"s a mana bolt. In full
darkness (+8 Visibility), a touch spell would still work, and with
detection spells, sight even isn't a consideration. But with
manipulation spells which physicaly create the desired elements and
project them at the mages command, visibility, cover and so forth would
apply.

> [snip of argues]
> IMO, spell casting doesn't require gestures. I say IMO, because there's a line
> in the rules that can be used to debate this. Even if you require
> gestures, whether it hinders him depends on how close he is to the
> glass, and how much space he has. Unless he was pressed right up
> against the glass, I would rule that it wouldn't affect him.
> Well, that's my opinion. Next :)

Shamans and initiates would be the only ones to realy use gesture. And
as far as movement, unless a character is activly moving (+1 Attacker
walking) then the window,IMO would have offered no penalty, as it was
obviously a combat spell to keep the elemental effect from blasting
against the window ("At point blank range to a window you want to cast
acid!") and the mage had a target to see ("Mana ball on the bad guy!")
On a side note, I personly don't stack target number against my players
and actualy have dropped the lethality (in a House Rule kind of way) to
keep a more comic/action movie like feel.
Next opinion!

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"Creativity is my sharpest weapon!"
-The Swordsman '97

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Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Cover Modifiers]
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:34:20 -0600
The Swordsman wrote:
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Ack! I've been MIMED! :)

Swordsman, you sent the same message twice. The first one was fine,
but the second one was a forwarded MIME. Please, try to turn off the
MIME setting on your mailer. It's considered bad nettiquete to send
MIMEs to lists, for various reasons. Not everyone can read a MIME.
Not everyone can handle attachements.

-David
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
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"Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing
which ones to keep."
Message no. 3
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Cover Modifiers]
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:06:21 +0000
On 11 Aug 97 at 8:34, David Buehrer wrote:

> Not everyone can read a MIME.

Yea, I never could understand the point of that damn "Look, I'm in a
box thing...."

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

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