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Message no. 1
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:21:04 -0700
:Gamemasters Girlfriends... <shudder> The worst thing that can happen to
a
:game. Especially if they actually play, or are co-dependant enough that
:they can;t leave the fucking room for a couple of hours and leave him the
:hell alone.
:
:Bull


Bull, you Pig you. :)
Don't blame the girlfriend (unless she's actually a lousy person /
player)- blame the GM. Personally, our ED GM"s girlfriend is a lot of
fun to play with, a friend to all the players, and gets no noticeable
special treatment. It also probably helps a lot that she is NOT the only
girl in our (large) gaming group, and not the least experienced gamer-
those would be strikes against anybody, gamemaster squeeze or not. The
fact that those "honors" often fall to the GM's SO are separate problems.
Hmm- come to think of it, we have ~10 people in our group, and 3 sets of
couples- that might also make us more accepting of and able to deal with
"relational dynamics", since the "paired" gamers outnumber the rest...

Mongoose
Message no. 2
From: Bill ChewStriker <bill@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 17:43:41 -0400
>:Gamemasters Girlfriends... <shudder> The worst thing that can happen to
>a
>:game. Especially if they actually play, or are co-dependant enough that
>:they can;t leave the fucking room for a couple of hours and leave him the
>:hell alone.
>:
>:Bull
>
>
> Bull, you Pig you. :)
> Don't blame the girlfriend (unless she's actually a lousy person /
>player)- blame the GM. Personally, our ED GM"s girlfriend is a lot of
>fun to play with, a friend to all the players, and gets no noticeable
>special treatment. It also probably helps a lot that she is NOT the only
>girl in our (large) gaming group, and not the least experienced gamer-
>those would be strikes against anybody, gamemaster squeeze or not. The
>fact that those "honors" often fall to the GM's SO are separate problems.
>Hmm- come to think of it, we have ~10 people in our group, and 3 sets of
>couples- that might also make us more accepting of and able to deal with
>"relational dynamics", since the "paired" gamers outnumber the
rest...
>
>Mongoose
>
>
I think I know who Bull is referring too and I understand why..... you would
too if you gamed with em before
---Myth-Chip/Striker/Bill
Message no. 3
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 01:24:33 -0400
At 05:43 PM 9/26/98 -0400, Bill ChewStriker wrote these timeless words:
>
>Mongoose sayeth

>> Bull, you Pig you. :)
>>
Oink oink :]

>> Don't blame the girlfriend (unless she's actually a lousy person /
>>player)- blame the GM. Personally, our ED GM"s girlfriend is a lot of
>>fun to play with, a friend to all the players, and gets no noticeable
>>special treatment. It also probably helps a lot that she is NOT the only
>>girl in our (large) gaming group, and not the least experienced gamer-
>>those would be strikes against anybody, gamemaster squeeze or not. The
>>fact that those "honors" often fall to the GM's SO are separate
problems.
>>Hmm- come to think of it, we have ~10 people in our group, and 3 sets of
>>couples- that might also make us more accepting of and able to deal with
>>"relational dynamics", since the "paired" gamers outnumber the
rest...
>
Well, i'm referring to no less than 2 current people and several others
that I know...

These are not players, otherwise I would have defined them as such. These
are the GM's/Players Girlfriends, who show up, sit on the GM's lap the
whole game or sit there and constantly touch them, complain they're bored,
and if we're LUCKY the GM doesn;t ask the to play and they say "Sure".

However, to clarify, this is not an all encompassing statement by any
stretch.,.. I never make all encompassing statements (Like that one
<grin>:)). I've known several girlfriends who are very cool people and/or
good players. But my definition of that is someone who doesn;t distract
the game. :]

Sorry, like Bill says in his message below, this was a directed statement
(Though not at anyone here, and yes I've made my feelings known to that
person on numerous occasions. Sometimes, I can really be a bastard. :))

>>Mongoose
>>
>I think I know who Bull is referring too and I understand why..... you would
>too if you gamed with em before
>
>---Myth-Chip/Striker/Bill
>
Billy! When did you get on here? :]

Bull

PS: Tell me later, offline Billy... No need to clutter the list :]
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Message no. 4
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 09:44:25 -0400
>>I think I know who Bull is referring too and I understand why..... you
would
>>too if you gamed with em before
>>
>>---Myth-Chip/Striker/Bill
>>
>Billy! When did you get on here? :]

Gahhh!
Billy!
When did you sneak in here?!?!?!?!
Quick! Hide the Munchkin Manual, he's gonna want a plasma cannon! ;-)

Steven A. Tinner
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Message no. 5
From: Jhary-a-Conel <Jhary-a-Conel@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:03:43 +0200
On 26 Sep 98, at 14:21, Mongoose wrote:
[From Bull]
> :Gamemasters Girlfriends... <shudder> The worst thing that can happen to
> :a game. Especially if they actually play, or are co-dependant enough that
> :they can;t leave the fucking room for a couple of hours and leave him the
> :hell alone.

> Don't blame the girlfriend (unless she's actually a lousy person /
> player)- blame the GM. Personally, our ED GM"s girlfriend is a lot of
> fun to play with, a friend to all the players, and gets no noticeable
> special treatment.

Apart from Bull pointing out this was a directed insu... comment,
please keep in mind it really _is_ hard for a GM if his/her friend/ lover/
wife/ husband/ whatever is in the same group. I GMed for then-
girlfriends twice (well... in two campaigns), and had real problems
with it, as you constantly had to divide personal from gaming life.

You just _know_ how you can upset your partner, or convince
him/her of something. You hesitate to apply some cruelities that
will, or just may, be remembered back in "real life" (especially those
of sexual nature, and before I get flamed - males are as safe from
rape as females in my games - not at all). Plus, you constantly
watch out not to give special bonuses to your partner, and suddenly
notice you are much more malevolent towards her/him...

Its not easy, is all I want to point out, but with some experience (and
help of all players) manageable for a GM...


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Message no. 6
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:35:05 EDT
In a message dated 9/28/98 9:06:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jhary-a-
Conel@***.NET writes:

> Apart from Bull pointing out this was a directed insu... comment,
> please keep in mind it really _is_ hard for a GM if his/her friend/ lover/
> wife/ husband/ whatever is in the same group.

Actually I have GMed before for the majority of my girlfriends and my wife,
before we were dataing and I never showed favortism towards them. In fact, I
may be harder on them than any other GM since I expect them to be better than
other players.

I had only one Girlfriend think that I should give her special attention or
favors since I was GMing. She was very upset when I looked at her and said
"Why?, In my game you are just another player and I will treat you as such."
She left the group, which was not a loss.

> You just _know_ how you can upset your partner, or convince
> him/her of something. You hesitate to apply some cruelities that
> will, or just may, be remembered back in "real life" (especially those
> of sexual nature, and before I get flamed - males are as safe from
> rape as females in my games - not at all).

I personally frown on games where rape can become an issue, since this is a
game and some realities really should be left out. Even if a woman or a man
has not been a victim of Rape, it is not something they are fond to think of
or experience in game play. It may make my game less realistic in some
aspects, but it also makes it much more enjoyable. IMHO.

-Bandit
Message no. 7
From: Fixer <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:52:50 -0400
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Jhary-a-Conel wrote:

<snip Bull's statement>
->Apart from Bull pointing out this was a directed insu... comment,
->please keep in mind it really _is_ hard for a GM if his/her friend/ lover/
->wife/ husband/ whatever is in the same group. I GMed for then-
->girlfriends twice (well... in two campaigns), and had real problems
->with it, as you constantly had to divide personal from gaming life.

I just got my wife involved. She's not a role-player and she
isn't as interested in winning as a munchkin (plus, she never
numbercrunches), wonder what classification she falls in? She just likes
to shoot people, hurt people, and make them bleed profusely. Guess it
lets her get out her agressions. Her current char is a sniper w/ 8 skill
dice and 8 perception dice. I think, in our last gaming session with Kama
& Blair, she killed more people than any of the other players' characters
(including mine). Oh, and I made up her character, in case anybody wants
to say anything about numbercrunching. ]:-)

->You just _know_ how you can upset your partner, or convince
->him/her of something. You hesitate to apply some cruelities that
->will, or just may, be remembered back in "real life" (especially those
->of sexual nature, and before I get flamed - males are as safe from
->rape as females in my games - not at all). Plus, you constantly
->watch out not to give special bonuses to your partner, and suddenly
->notice you are much more malevolent towards her/him...
->Its not easy, is all I want to point out, but with some experience (and
->help of all players) manageable for a GM...

Hmmmm... I've never had such acts performed against PCs or NPCs
(specifically rape). Often, the chars are either able to defend
themselves quite well to avoid the situations, are avoid the situations
well themselves.

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the impossible only during the week,
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Message no. 8
From: Number Ten Ox <number_10_ox@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:01:19 -0700
---Jhary-a-Conel <Jhary-a-Conel@***.NET> wrote:


> Apart from Bull pointing out this was a directed insu... comment,
> please keep in mind it really _is_ hard for a GM if his/her friend/ lover/
> wife/ husband/ whatever is in the same group. I GMed for then-
> girlfriends twice (well... in two campaigns), and had real problems
> with it, as you constantly had to divide personal from gaming life.
> You just _know_ how you can upset your partner, or convince
> him/her of something.

Well, yes. In my current game, three of the four players are
romantically involved with me/each other (don't ask, it's confusing,
www.polyamory.org for the terminally curious) and it's alternatively a
boon and a bane. On one hand, I know that if I throw certain elements
into an
adventure, the group will go in with automatic weapons blazing because
that's the sort of thing the players find personally abhorrent. On the
other hand, I've learned to steer clear of certain other topics for fear of
having the player curl up in a ball.

But both for me and my group, roleplaying is so much about telling a
good story and evoking emotional responses that there's usually an
atmosphere of "Anything goes, fuck with our minds as much as you like: as
long as we come out alive and well everything is fair."

> You hesitate to apply some cruelities that
> will, or just may, be remembered back in "real life" (especially those
> of sexual nature, and before I get flamed - males are as safe from
> rape as females in my games - not at all).
Uhhh. See above. If there is a significant chance that it will
seriously upset the player, you don't do it whether the person is a lover
or just a friend.

> Plus, you constantly
> watch out not to give special bonuses to your partner, and suddenly
> notice you are much more malevolent towards her/him...
In my experience, not giving out 'special bonuses' is bad. In my
experience, players don't really want money as a reward, or even Karma:
they want Neat Stuff. Money or Karma will do as a means of acquiring said
Neat Stuff, but give a player something that another Shadowrunning team
may have a difficulty matching, and you'll have a happy player no matter
how effective the trinket really is. For those of you who've played
Harlequin, how many parties actually sold the sword given to them at the
end? Unless they were really hard up, I'm willing to bet most of them kept
it. Enchanted it, maybe.

So... hand out special bonuses to your SO, by all means. Just make
sure you hand out equivalent Neat Cool Stuff to the other people too. :)

> Jhary

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Message no. 9
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:03:02 EDT
In a message dated 9/28/98 10:49:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US writes:

> Oh, and I made up her character, in case anybody wants
> to say anything about numbercrunching. ]:-)

My wife decided long ago to convince me to make her characters since I was the
GM and had a sub-consous habit of number crunching.

-Bandit
Message no. 10
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:40:51 EDT
In a message dated 9/26/98 4:43:48 PM AST, evamarie@**********.net writes:

> :game. Especially if they actually play, or are co-dependant enough that
> :they can;t leave the fucking room for a couple of hours and leave him the
> :hell alone.
> :
> :Bull
>

Exactly. I have found that including a girlfriend who is a gamer is usually
not a problem. It is the girlfriend who can't seem to amuse herself for a
couple of hours but isn't really interested in gaming that causes the
problems. Sitting on his lap and talking about things that have nothing to do
with gaming and taking every opportunity to turn the game conversation into
something she is more interested in.

We did have a game where the women were gamers but were much more interested
in taking the opportunity to filrt with a couple of guys in the group. When
they made their characters romatically interested in the respective guys
characters the game fell apart.
Message no. 11
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:50:14 EDT
In a message dated 9/28/98 11:43:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dhl9@***.COM
writes:

> Sitting on his lap and talking about things that have nothing to do
> with gaming and taking every opportunity to turn the game conversation into
> something she is more interested in.

Yep, I once went through that. The girl looked upset when I told her to please
leave me alone now I want to game and I would time with her later on. Needless
to say I was in the dog house for a while.

I never understood why girlfriends have to spend every waking moment with
their boyfriends.

-Bandit
Message no. 12
From: Kama <kama@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:59:05 -0400
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 Dhl9@***.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 9/26/98 4:43:48 PM AST, evamarie@**********.net writes:
>
> > :game. Especially if they actually play, or are co-dependant enough that
> > :they can;t leave the fucking room for a couple of hours and leave him the
> > :hell alone.
> > :
> > :Bull
> >
>
> Exactly. I have found that including a girlfriend who is a gamer is usually
> not a problem. It is the girlfriend who can't seem to amuse herself for a
> couple of hours but isn't really interested in gaming that causes the
> problems. Sitting on his lap and talking about things that have nothing to do
> with gaming and taking every opportunity to turn the game conversation into
> something she is more interested in.
>
> We did have a game where the women were gamers but were much more interested
> in taking the opportunity to filrt with a couple of guys in the group. When
> they made their characters romatically interested in the respective guys
> characters the game fell apart.
>

Not to ruin the misogynistic fun . . . however, it is the behavior, not
the gender that causes the annoyance. I gather that y'all have
traditionally played in games where their were a fair number of male
players. Such has not been the case for me. I remember one player in
particular from college (female - ex-model - did a cover for Cosmo, etc.)
who gamwith us every Saturday Night. It was amazing how many Preppies and
Frat Boys suddenly discovered that they had an interest in trying D&D or
Champions when they discovered that she considered it a sacred
committment. Trust me, the male of the species can be QUITE a problem. We
ALMOST made a NO MEN rule to solve the difficulty.

Second, about the romance betweeen characters bit. I agree that someone
could do it badly while trying to flirt with the player. (Newbies in
particular often have trouble getting it straight.) However, romance can
be a wonderful plot element (though it does sem that MOST of the romances
I have seen WORK were between characters whose players were not and never
would be involved)

- Kama
Message no. 13
From: "Blair A. Monroe" <bmonroe@******.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:08:39 -0400
At 11:03 AM 9/28/98 EDT, M. Sean Martinez wrote:
>In a message dated 9/28/98 10:49:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US writes:
>
>> Oh, and I made up her character, in case anybody wants
>> to say anything about numbercrunching. ]:-)
>
>My wife decided long ago to convince me to make her characters since I was
the
>GM and had a sub-consous habit of number crunching.
>
>-Bandit
>
>

Similar situation here. My spouse is perfectly capable of building a solid
SR character (ie: a little number crunching, but nothing too munchy) but
just doesn't like that part of building a character. Creating the
personality and history...making the character into a living breathing
person...now that is the part she enjoys. Generally she (or we) will come
up with a character concept and I'll crunch the numbers to put the
character into the terms of whatever game system is being used.

-- Blair
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Message no. 14
From: Fixer <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:52:57 -0400
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998 Dhl9@***.COM wrote:

->In a message dated 9/26/98 4:43:48 PM AST, evamarie@**********.net writes:
->
->> :game. Especially if they actually play, or are co-dependant enough that
->> :they can;t leave the fucking room for a couple of hours and leave him the
->> :hell alone.
->
->Exactly. I have found that including a girlfriend who is a gamer is usually
->not a problem. It is the girlfriend who can't seem to amuse herself for a
->couple of hours but isn't really interested in gaming that causes the
->problems. Sitting on his lap and talking about things that have nothing to do
->with gaming and taking every opportunity to turn the game conversation into
->something she is more interested in.
->
->We did have a game where the women were gamers but were much more interested
->in taking the opportunity to filrt with a couple of guys in the group. When
->they made their characters romatically interested in the respective guys
->characters the game fell apart.

How about one that's a cute GM and she INSISTS on always saying
(when playing a fixer), "Why don't you slip your credstick right _here_?"
Then suppressing a moan. That game fell apart REAL quick. I don't think
she ever GM'd again either.... wonder why.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 15
From: Fixer <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:00:24 -0400
On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Kama wrote:

<snip>
->Second, about the romance betweeen characters bit. I agree that someone
->could do it badly while trying to flirt with the player. (Newbies in
->particular often have trouble getting it straight.) However, romance can
->be a wonderful plot element (though it does sem that MOST of the romances
->I have seen WORK were between characters whose players were not and never
->would be involved)

That's why, when I made my wife's and my current char's in Kama &
Blair's game, I made them twins [w/o incest, ya sick minded bastards ya
]:-) ] so as to remove the possibility from our minds. So far (in the one
game we played, hey Kama, when we playin' again?) it has worked well and
our characters have even bickered like brother/sister (we both have
siblings, so it's easy to do). Except for the "credstik" incident with
one GM, sex has never been a big concept for our games, except with our
characters and NPCs, rather than two PCs with each other.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 16
From: "XaOs [David Goth]" <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:26:38 -0500
> Second, about the romance betweeen characters bit. I agree that someone
> could do it badly while trying to flirt with the player. (Newbies in
> particular often have trouble getting it straight.) However, romance can
> be a wonderful plot element (though it does sem that MOST of the romances
> I have seen WORK were between characters whose players were not and never
> would be involved)

HA! This reminds me of what happened with my group. My best friend was the
DM, and his wife played (I entered the game later on, but I think my friend
threw her some toys to make her happy and powerful. She was a munchkin who
styled herself as a terrific roleplayer). Anyway, his wife's character was
romantically involved with another players character. I don't think any of
us really thought much about it, because to all appearances, they kept
everything separate from real life. To make a long story short, my friend
and his wife had problems and ended up divorcing (or just separating, I
can't remember). Shortly thereafter, my friend passed away. His former wife
started seeing the other player pretty soon after that. Now I wonder about
HIM...kinda makes you wonder about all those 'black widow' stories. :)



-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
-David Goth-
Message no. 17
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 18:22:16 EDT
In a message dated 9/28/98 12:02:43 PM AST, kama@*******.NET writes:

> Not to ruin the misogynistic fun . . . however, it is the behavior, not
> the gender that causes the annoyance.

Absolutely. It just so happens that most of us have dealt with the problem
with the ladies. I would imagine a guy could be even more irritating.
Message no. 18
From: Alexia <alexia_silverstein@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 17:04:51 -0700
---Jhary-a-Conel <Jhary-a-Conel@***.NET> wrote:
>
> On 26 Sep 98, at 14:21, Mongoose wrote:
> [From Bull]
> > :Gamemasters Girlfriends... <shudder> The worst thing that can
happen to
> > :a game. Especially if they actually play, or are co-dependant
enough that
> > :they can;t leave the fucking room for a couple of hours and leave
him the
> > :hell alone.
>
> > Don't blame the girlfriend (unless she's actually a lousy
person /
> > player)- blame the GM. Personally, our ED GM"s girlfriend is a
lot of
> > fun to play with, a friend to all the players, and gets no
noticeable
> > special treatment.
>
> Apart from Bull pointing out this was a directed insu... comment,
> please keep in mind it really _is_ hard for a GM if his/her friend/
lover/
> wife/ husband/ whatever is in the same group. I GMed for then-
> girlfriends twice (well... in two campaigns), and had real problems
> with it, as you constantly had to divide personal from gaming life.
>
> You just _know_ how you can upset your partner, or convince
> him/her of something. You hesitate to apply some cruelities that
> will, or just may, be remembered back in "real life" (especially those
> of sexual nature, and before I get flamed - males are as safe from
> rape as females in my games - not at all). Plus, you constantly
> watch out not to give special bonuses to your partner, and suddenly
> notice you are much more malevolent towards her/him...
>
> Its not easy, is all I want to point out, but with some experience
(and
> help of all players) manageable for a GM...
>
> <snip sig>
My BF GMs and believe me I don't get any special treatment. I've been
passed up for bonus Karma on all but 2 sessions, he never gave me any
lieniance unless it was against our munchkinizer, but he does that for
all the other players against that guy. Wether my pc was actually
raped or not came down to a single die roll and I narrowly escaped,
simply because I decided to do something he didn't expect and run (I
like to fight). All the guys in the group help me to figure out what I
need to do for my actions and I've become quite efficient, though I do
still need help at times, not to mention, the GM can't say no when I
say I want to play and the other guys like that 'cause they all wanna
play. I actually think our mage gets treated a lot better than my pc
does. *shrug* Oh well.
==
~Alexia
http://www.sova.net/trish/shadowrun



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Message no. 19
From: Machine-gun Kelly <mgkelly@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:05:10 -0500
> > Not to ruin the misogynistic fun . . . however, it is the
> behavior, not
> > the gender that causes the annoyance.
>
> Absolutely. It just so happens that most of us have dealt
> with the problem
> with the ladies. I would imagine a guy could be even more
> irritating.

Agree wholeheartedly. It's hard to concentrate on the game and have fun
when all the woman sitting next to you wants to do is talk to you about
matters unrelated to the game, touch you and generally vie with the GM
for your attention. Sometimes it's hard to ignore, especially if you're
trying not to be abrasive.

Mgkelly

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"Guns don't kill people. Bullets kill people."
Message no. 20
From: "Davidson, Chris" <Christopher.Davidson@***.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:06:51 -0700
>HA! This reminds me of what happened with my group. My best friend was
the
>DM, and his wife played (I entered the game later on, but I think my
friend
>threw her some toys to make her happy and powerful. She was a munchkin
who
>styled herself as a terrific roleplayer). Anyway, his wife's character
was
>romantically involved with another players character. I don't think any
of
>us really thought much about it, because to all appearances, they kept
>everything separate from real life. To make a long story short, my
friend
>and his wife had problems and ended up divorcing (or just separating, I
>can't remember). Shortly thereafter, my friend passed away. His former
wife
>started seeing the other player pretty soon after that. Now I wonder
about
>HIM...kinda makes you wonder about all those 'black widow' stories. :)

Actually this kind of reminds me of something that has happened to me.
Roleplaying with a boyfriend/girlfriend couple. The boyfriend was the
GM, while the girlfriend was just a player...and she kept making her
character do totally sexually suggestive things to my character...and
being this total flirt. To be honest, if her boyfriend wasn't around, I
don't think I would have minded, and would have just played through the
situation...thinking nothing of it...but while he was there, it made me
so uncomfortable...because he's a real good friend of mine...and I kept
seeing that look in his eye that spoke volumes of jelousy. I haven't
gamed with them since because of it....Guess it just isn't the right
situation for me.

-=Toffer=-
Message no. 21
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Gamemaster girlfriend's
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:32:46 EDT
In a message dated 10/14/98 3:09:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Christopher.Davidson@***.BOEING.COM writes:

> Actually this kind of reminds me of something that has happened to me.
> Roleplaying with a boyfriend/girlfriend couple. The boyfriend was the
> GM, while the girlfriend was just a player...and she kept making her
> character do totally sexually suggestive things to my character...and
> being this total flirt. <SNIP>...Guess it just isn't the right
> situation for me.

I blame the girlfriend more than anyone else since she was the one to start
the uncomfortable behavoir. Its ashame that it stopped you from playing
anymore. I would have asked her to stop during the game session, but that is
just me. I am not a big fan of flirting, but that is just me.

-Bandit

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