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Message no. 1
From: rothgefa@*******.com (Robert Fanning)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:28:46 +1000
I wonder why they have cyberware grades that cost 80%, 60% and 50% of the
normal essence cost, but not 90% and 70% intermediate grades.

Also, the greek alphabet goes Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta.....

Why did they leave out Gamma?

Perhaps partially educated customers knew gamma radiation was bad, so it put
them off.

There is a skyscraper/mall (offices and apartments on the top levels) in my
campaign under construction, that renumbers the 13th floor (pressing that
button takes you to the maintenance sub-basement under the car park
instead).

Most of the tenants are unaware of this of course, so it would be a headache
to shadowrunners trying to infiltrate in some other method than the
lift.....ending up on the wrong floor.



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Message no. 2
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:12:09 +0200
According to Robert Fanning, on Monday 05 April 2004 09:28 the word on the
street was...

> I wonder why they have cyberware grades that cost 80%, 60% and 50% of
> the normal essence cost, but not 90% and 70% intermediate grades.

Probably because initially, only alpha- and betaware were available, and
with them there's the fairly reasonable sequence of 20% increments.

> Also, the greek alphabet goes Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta.....
>
> Why did they leave out Gamma?

Because Tom Dowd remembered the Greek alphabet wrong when writing
Cybertechnology. (This isn't a joke, it's AFAIK the explanation that was
given when someone pointed this out to FASA...)

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Message no. 3
From: rich@****.net (Rich Stokes)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:34:25 +0100
Gurth wrote:

>>Also, the greek alphabet goes Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta.....
>>
>>Why did they leave out Gamma?
>>
>>
>
>Because Tom Dowd remembered the Greek alphabet wrong when writing
>Cybertechnology. (This isn't a joke, it's AFAIK the explanation that was
>given when someone pointed this out to FASA...)
>
>
And I thought it was to avoid copyright issues with the the Game
Manufacturers Association ;)
Message no. 4
From: loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 17:48:18 +0100
At 10:12 AM 4/5/2004, Gurth wrote:
> > Also, the greek alphabet goes Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta.....
> >
> > Why did they leave out Gamma?
>
>Because Tom Dowd remembered the Greek alphabet wrong when writing
>Cybertechnology. (This isn't a joke, it's AFAIK the explanation that was
>given when someone pointed this out to FASA...)

To cover this in-game we've written Gamma grade cyberware, a failed project
which seemed to be a vast improvement on Beta but in fact was far more
invasive.
(Essence cost x 1.2)
Strangely enough it isn't found that often :-)

If nothing else it shows people that even the big ten can get it wrong
sometimes...


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Message no. 5
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:57:36 +0200
Le 05 avr. 2004, à 18:48, Lone Eagle a écrit :

>
> To cover this in-game we've written Gamma grade cyberware, a failed
> project which seemed to be a vast improvement on Beta but in fact was
> far more invasive.
> (Essence cost x 1.2)
> Strangely enough it isn't found that often :-)

That does remind me of Cheapware (made in Taiwan -- Essence * 1.2,
Cost * 0.8), which was mentioned on someone's website (I think it was
Tzeentch's). Along with Badware (made in China -- Ess. * 1.4, Cost *
0.6) and Frogware (made in France (oui!) -- Ess. * 1.5, Cost * 0.5).
Although we never used the 'ware (for obvious reasons), the flavour
text made us laugh a lot.

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and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"
Message no. 6
From: rich@****.net (Rich Stokes)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 18:46:49 +0100
Max Noel wrote:

> That does remind me of Cheapware (made in Taiwan -- Essence * 1.2,
> Cost * 0.8), which was mentioned on someone's website (I think it was
> Tzeentch's). Along with Badware (made in China -- Ess. * 1.4, Cost *
> 0.6) and Frogware (made in France (oui!) -- Ess. * 1.5, Cost * 0.5).
> Although we never used the 'ware (for obvious reasons), the flavour
> text made us laugh a lot.

Weren't there rules for 2nd hand cyberware somewhere (old SS cataloue?
M&M?) I don't have my books to hand to check...

R
Message no. 7
From: Jeffrey.T.Dougherty@********.edu (Jeffrey T Dougherty)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:05:50 -0400 (EDT)
On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Rich Stokes wrote:

> Max Noel wrote:
>
> > That does remind me of Cheapware (made in Taiwan -- Essence * 1.2,
> > Cost * 0.8), which was mentioned on someone's website (I think it was
> > Tzeentch's). Along with Badware (made in China -- Ess. * 1.4, Cost *
> > 0.6) and Frogware (made in France (oui!) -- Ess. * 1.5, Cost * 0.5).
> > Although we never used the 'ware (for obvious reasons), the flavour
> > text made us laugh a lot.
>
> Weren't there rules for 2nd hand cyberware somewhere (old SS cataloue?
> M&M?) I don't have my books to hand to check...

There were rules for secondhand cyberware ("budgetware", to use the common
euphemism) in M&M. IIRC, it's available in standard, alpha, and beta
grades, with a price reduction but built-in Stress points when you buy it.
It's a nice concept, but unfortunately it means you have to use the M&M
Stress system, which I'm not a big fan of- too much bookeeping everytime
somebody stops a bullet.

-Jeff D.
Message no. 8
From: pixelonpicnic@*******.com (Niels Sønderborg)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:49:15 +0200
>From: Jeffrey T Dougherty <Jeffrey.T.Dougherty@********.edu>
>Reply-To: Shadowrun Discussion <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
>To: Shadowrun Discussion <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
>Subject: Re: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
>Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:05:50 -0400 (EDT)
>
>On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Rich Stokes wrote:
>
> > Max Noel wrote:
> >
> > > That does remind me of Cheapware (made in Taiwan -- Essence * 1.2,
> > > Cost * 0.8), which was mentioned on someone's website (I think it was
> > > Tzeentch's). Along with Badware (made in China -- Ess. * 1.4, Cost *
> > > 0.6) and Frogware (made in France (oui!) -- Ess. * 1.5, Cost * 0.5).
> > > Although we never used the 'ware (for obvious reasons), the flavour
> > > text made us laugh a lot.
> >
> > Weren't there rules for 2nd hand cyberware somewhere (old SS cataloue?
> > M&M?) I don't have my books to hand to check...
>
>There were rules for secondhand cyberware ("budgetware", to use the common
>euphemism) in M&M. IIRC, it's available in standard, alpha, and beta
>grades, with a price reduction but built-in Stress points when you buy it.
>It's a nice concept, but unfortunately it means you have to use the M&M
>Stress system, which I'm not a big fan of- too much bookeeping everytime
>somebody stops a bullet.
>
>-Jeff D.

I think in SS the difference was that the used cyberware were easier
damaged.

I agree on the Stress point system. Too much bookkeeping for my liking,
though I have considered using it for Vehicles ...

Niels

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Message no. 9
From: geoff@*************.co.uk (Euphonium)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:22:09 +0100
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
>To: "Shadowrun Discussion" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
>Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:12 AM
>Subject: Re: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
>

>According to Robert Fanning, on Monday 05 April 2004 09:28 the word on the
>street was...
>
> Why did they leave out Gamma?
>
>Because Tom Dowd remembered the Greek alphabet wrong when writing
>Cybertechnology. (This isn't a joke, it's AFAIK the explanation that was
>given when someone pointed this out to FASA...)
>
>Gurth@******.nl - Stone Age: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

Our group always assumed that Gamma grade was actually bioware, in that it
was the next bodymod variation published after beta.
Message no. 10
From: rothgefa@*******.com (Robert Fanning)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:11:17 +1000
>>Why did they leave out Gamma?
>
>Because Tom Dowd remembered the Greek alphabet wrong when writing
>Cybertechnology. (This isn't a joke, it's AFAIK the explanation that was
>given when someone pointed this out to FASA...)
>
>Gurth@******.nl - Stone Age: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html

Of course, the simplest explanation is always the most logical.....

I should of guessed.

I used to know the whole damn greek alphabet once, but I forgotten most of
it by now.

Anybody know the Cryllic character set? (Now that is confusing!)


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Message no. 11
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: Gamma and Epsilon Grade Cyberware?
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:42:27 +0200
According to Robert Fanning, on Tuesday 13 April 2004 04:11 the word on the
street was...

> Anybody know the Cryllic character set? (Now that is confusing!)

I can pronounce most of the letters, but I did discover that trying to get
whole words out of your mouth is a lot harder than just knowing the
letters :)

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covers of great songs.
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-> The Plastic Warriors Page: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

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