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Message no. 1
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Gary :- ROF Question
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:51:20 BST
Gary :-
>*PS. Does anyone know where it states how many rounds a gun can
>fire in a simple action/complex action (for normal full auto)

Any particular gun?

Simply :-
SS weapon 1 shot per Phase (ie. for supreessive with a panther ;-))
SA 2 shots per phase (1 per Simple)
BF 6 shots per phase (2 3-round bursts per simple action)
AF 10 rounds per phase
Miniguns/HV weapons 15 rounds per phase

NB. I use Per Phase, becuase you can always go suppressive with a
semi-auto weapon (watch reservoir dogs, etc) even though it's not
_too_ effective

Oh yeah, and some Rotary cannons get 5 or 3 rounds per phase,
and Savalette's and the like get 3 rounds per phase.

It's in the combat section somewhere, but I know it (probably),
so if you have a specific question....
Message no. 2
From: Gary Carroll <gary@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Gary :- ROF Question
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:09:30 -0700
Gary :-
>>*PS. Does anyone know where it states how many rounds a gun can
>>fire in a simple action/complex action (for normal full auto)
>
>Any particular gun?

No just guns like UZI III or AK97 et...

>Simply :-
>SS weapon 1 shot per Phase (ie. for supreessive with a panther ;-))

is it possible to put a reactive trigger in these guns...
including a Panther (*currently I said a panther can't
physically shoot that fast)
But pistols like SuperMach 10M is SS

>SA 2 shots per phase (1 per Simple)
>BF 6 shots per phase (2 3-round bursts per simple action)
>AF 10 rounds per phase

In some of the guns it specifically states how many it shoots
i.e. supermach BF = 6 shots... another gun i've seen 15/round

How about Light MGs (same 10rds) I'm guessing
>Miniguns/HV weapons 15 rounds per phase

>NB. I use Per Phase, becuase you can always go suppressive with a
>semi-auto weapon (watch reservoir dogs, etc) even though it's not
>_too_ effective
>
>Oh yeah, and some Rotary cannons get 5 or 3 rounds per phase,
>and Savalette's and the like get 3 rounds per phase.
>
>It's in the combat section somewhere, but I know it (probably),
>so if you have a specific question....

Thanks
Gary C.
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Message no. 3
From: "Lindblom Fredrik, Training" <fredrik.lindblom@*******.TELIA.SE>
Subject: Re: Gary :- ROF Question
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 10:39:00 PDT
>is it possible to put a reactive trigger in these guns...
>including a Panther (*currently I said a panther can't
>physically shoot that fast)

That sounds reasonable. The strain on the flesh of the person firing such a
weapon on BF/FA should be quite dangerous, even for mister metal troll.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the reactive trigger (as well as
extended clips and a few other things) were banned in the second edition of
SR. All guns now automatically come with reactive triggers, and extended
clips, but this does NOT change the ROF of a Panther. (Note: I never played
the first edition of SR)

>>SA 2 shots per phase (1 per Simple)
>>BF 6 shots per phase (2 3-round bursts per simple action)
>>AF 10 rounds per phase
>
>In some of the guns it specifically states how many it shoots
>i.e. supermach BF = 6 shots... another gun i've seen 15/round

Well, the Vindicator fires 15 rounds per pull of the trigger no matter
what...

>How about Light MGs (same 10rds) I'm guessing

Correct. The 15/phase ROF is limited to minigun-class weapons.(Does NOT
include the Valiant etc. With only a single barrel, I guess it gets too
hot.)

>>Miniguns/HV weapons 15 rounds per phase


/MxM

>>>[" I know there is a light at the end of the tunnel, but I can't see it
through all the gunsmoke and my mirrored shades"]<<<
Message no. 4
From: P Ward <P.Ward@**.CF.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Gary :- ROF Question
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:31:22 BST
Panther cannons should definitely not get reactive triggers,
those things are useful for blowing up light tanks and
doors, not for use in fire-fights (18D, I can get the same
damage from an assault rifle thanks, and split the damage
between several people)

The rotary (minigun) versioj of a panther assault cannon
can only fire 5 rounds per Complex action/phase, so I
think it's safe to assume that you physically can't
get them to cycle fast enough to fire more than one per round.
After all, a minigun (6000 RPM) is something like 6-10 times
as fast as most other automatic firearms (600-1000 cyclic
rate of fire).


Reactive Trigger's were taken out of the 2nd edition, but
were assumed to have been built in to _most_ firearms.

Personally, I still use the older, short clips, in some
cases they're much easier to get through MAD scanners and
chem-sniffers.

LMG's are 10 rounds per phase max, but some can also
do burst fire (3 per burst), and semi-atuo (1 per pull
of the trigger, 1 per simple action).

The Supermach and Ares HV-*** are special cases that do
6 rounds per burst, and up to 15 rounds for fully auto fire,
due to their three rotating barrels (half a minigun).

Phil (Renegade; who ought to know this stuff, she has firearms 10)
Message no. 5
From: Paul Jonathan Adam <Paul@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Gary :- ROF Question
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:15:12 GMT
Renegade wrote:
> NB. I use Per Phase, becuase you can always go suppressive with a
> semi-auto weapon (watch reservoir dogs, etc) even though it's not
> _too_ effective

Well, bwana, us Army boys used L1A1 SLRs for suppressive fire for about
forty years, and Lee-Enfields before that... Accuracy counts more than volume
above a certain minimum. You can fire as much as you like at me: if I think
it's all going into the ceiling, I'll risk a shot. If there's a steady aimed
fire coming down on the area I need to lean into to shoot back, then
I think I'll retreat for a more favourable situation.

Suppressive fire is basically damned near impossible to do realistically
under any rules set: more than anything else it's morale and luck.

--
When you have shot and killed a man, you have defined your attitude towards
him. You have offered a definite answer to a definite problem. For better
or for worse, you have acted decisively.
In fact, the next move is up to him.

Paul J. Adam paul@********.demon.co.uk

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