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Message no. 1
From: Josh a320@*********.com
Subject: (Gay question of the day)SIN'S
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:31:45 -0600
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I am aware of what a SIN is and how it operates, but what the heck does it look like? Is
it just a Social Security with a new name? Or would it even have an actual number on it at
all? I would think it like a credit card, with a magnetic strip(actually something more
"modern" I think) or something because all someone would have to do is look at
your number and there half way there to being you. This is pretty much a pure aesthetic
question, but it's been buggin me.

Josh
Don't worry just keep shooting, you'll hit something eventually.

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<DIV><FONT size=2>I am aware of&nbsp;what&nbsp;a SIN is and how
it operates, but
what the heck does it look like? Is it just a Social Security with a new name?
Or would it even have an actual number on it at all? I would think it like a
credit card, with a magnetic strip(actually something more "modern" I think) or
something because all someone would have to do is look at your number and there
half way there to being you. This is pretty much a pure aesthetic question, but
it's been buggin me.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Josh</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Don't worry just keep shooting, you'll hit something
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Message no. 2
From: Nimster nimster@*********.net.il
Subject: (Gay question of the day)SIN'S
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 09:41:51 +0200
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For credsticks, I designed them to be like the digital thermostats, with a digital screen
showing the cash, and an option to stick he thermostat side (the metal thingie :) ) to the
back of another thermo, and transact cash that way.
I'd imagine, since this would be the "interface" of digital ID's and cards, that
the SIN would look the same.

-Nimster
"What's your favorite color?"
"That would be #0FE5F2"
I have invented a new smiley: O-{] . That's a happy mustached big eyed robot cyclop
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh
To: shadowrun
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 7:31 AM
Subject: (Gay question of the day)SIN'S


I am aware of what a SIN is and how it operates, but what the heck does it look like? Is
it just a Social Security with a new name? Or would it even have an actual number on it at
all? I would think it like a credit card, with a magnetic strip(actually something more
"modern" I think) or something because all someone would have to do is look at
your number and there half way there to being you. This is pretty much a pure aesthetic
question, but it's been buggin me.

Josh
Don't worry just keep shooting, you'll hit something eventually.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For credsticks, I designed them to be
like the
digital thermostats, with a digital screen showing the cash, and an option to
stick he thermostat side (the metal thingie :) ) to the back of another thermo,
and transact cash that way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'd imagine, since this would be the
"interface" of
digital ID's and cards, that the SIN would look the same.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-Nimster<BR>"What's your favorite color?"<BR>"That
would be #0FE5F2"<BR>I
have invented a new smiley:&nbsp; O-{] . That's a happy mustached big eyed robot
cyclop</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday,
December 29, 2000 7:31
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> (Gay
question of the
day)SIN'S</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I am aware of&nbsp;what&nbsp;a SIN is and how
it operates,
but what the heck does it look like? Is it just a Social Security with a new
name? Or would it even have an actual number on it at all? I would think it
like a credit card, with a magnetic strip(actually something more "modern" I
think) or something because all someone would have to do is look at your
number and there half way there to being you. This is pretty much a pure
aesthetic question, but it's been buggin me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Josh</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Don't worry just keep shooting, you'll hit something
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Message no. 3
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: (Gay question of the day)SIN'S
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 11:55:37 +0100
According to Josh, on Fri, 29 Dec 2000 the word on the street was...

> I am aware of what a SIN is and how it operates, but what the heck does
> it look like? Is it just a Social Security with a new name? Or would it
> even have an actual number on it at all?

AFAIK this has never really been defined by FASA, but it is mentioned that
the number contains birthdate, state of origin and initials, and is
generated using a "complex formula" (all this is on page 238 of SR3). I
would imagine it's a number that's fairly long but not too long to
remember, a bit like whatever your country's equivalent to a RL social
security number is.

> I would think it like a credit card, with a magnetic strip(actually
> something more "modern" I think) or something because all someone would
> have to do is look at your number and there half way there to being you.

Don't confuse a SIN with a credstick :) The SIN can just be a number, but
if it's not printed on the outside of the stick it'll be hard to "steal" it
with a simple glance. Also, if the number is an encoded form of the
above-mentioned data, it'll be hard to use another person's SIN that was
casually stolen when being questioned by someone who can check the data
out: "So, Mr. Steven A. Jones, please explain to me why you have a SIN
for the initials GWL?" (Of course, if you first run the stolen SIN through
a decoder you could match a fake name to it.)

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Message no. 4
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: (Gay question of the day)SIN'S
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 18:22:56 -0000
>From: "Josh" <a320@*********.com>
>I am aware of what a SIN is and how it operates, but what the heck does it
>look like? Is it just a Social Security with a new name? Or would it even
>have an actual number on it at all? I would think it like a credit card,
>with a magnetic strip(actually something more "modern" I think) or
>something because all someone would have to do is look at your number and
>there half way there to being you. This is >pretty much a pure aesthetic
>question, but it's been buggin me.

A SIN does not have a physical form. If you have a SIN your credistick will
contain information to verify this and government (and corporate depending
on if you're employed and who by) databases will have records of your
existence with the SIN attached.

Phil

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Message no. 5
From: GSW13 darklordsatin@*******.com
Subject: (Gay question of the day)SIN'S
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:45:00 -0500
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----- Original Message -----
From: Josh
To: shadowrun
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 12:31 AM
Subject: (Gay question of the day)SIN'S


I am aware of what a SIN is and how it operates, but what the heck does it look like? Is
it just a Social Security with a new name? Or would it even have an actual number on it at
all? I would think it like a credit card, with a magnetic strip(actually something more
"modern" I think) or something because all someone would have to do is look at
your number and there half way there to being you. This is pretty much a pure aesthetic
question, but it's been buggin me.

Josh
Don't worry just keep shooting, you'll hit something eventually.

Ok, this is something I've actually thought about a fair bit, and done a lot of looking
for and recently I think I came across the answer (sort of). If you look through the will
in Dunkelzan's Secrets somewhere in there (I'd look it up but my book is at a friends)
there is a refernce to somebody based on his SIN number and they actually list the SIN
number which leads me to believe that a SIN really is just a number, kind of like Social
Security except with more things associated to it.

I think the format was 4 characters - 4 characters - 4 characters
I'm even less sure of this but I think it was NLNL-NLNL-NNLL with N being number and L
being letter.
If you really want to be sure look up that entry in the will, I think it's the one about
the guy who's SIN will disappear and people are supposed to kill him.

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<A href="mailto:a320@*********.com"
title=a320@*********.com>Josh</A> </DIV>
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title=shadowrn@*********.com>shadowrun</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday,
December 29, 2000 12:31
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> (Gay
question of the
day)SIN'S</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I am aware of&nbsp;what&nbsp;a SIN is and how
it operates,
but what the heck does it look like? Is it just a Social Security with a new
name? Or would it even have an actual number on it at all? I would think it
like a credit card, with a magnetic strip(actually something more "modern" I
think) or something because all someone would have to do is look at your
number and there half way there to being you. This is pretty much a pure
aesthetic question, but it's been buggin me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Josh</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Don't worry just keep shooting, you'll hit something
eventually.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Ok, this is something I've actually thought about a fair bit, and done a
lot of looking for and recently I think I came across the answer (sort of). If
you look through the will in Dunkelzan's Secrets somewhere in there (I'd look it
up but my book is at a friends) there is a refernce to somebody based on his SIN
number and they actually list the SIN number which leads me to believe that a
SIN really is just a number, kind of like Social Security except with more
things associated to it.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I think the format was 4 characters - 4 characters - 4 characters</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm even less sure of this but I think
it was
NLNL-NLNL-NNLL with N being number and L being letter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you really want to be sure look up
that entry in
the will, I think it's the one about the guy who's SIN will disappear and people
are supposed to kill him.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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of Non-Sequitors, Keeper of Osigwad, President: Society of Non-Violent
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Message no. 6
From: Cymon Tymplar cymon@**********.com
Subject: (Gay question of the day)SIN'S
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:48:57 -0600
Josh wrote:
>I am aware of what a SIN is and how it operates, but what the
heck
>does it look like? Is it just a Social Security with a new name?
Or
>would it even have an actual number on it at all? I would think
it like
>a credit card, with a magnetic strip(actually something more
>"modern" I think)

Shadowrun 3rd edition states: the actual numbers that compose a
SIN
are generated by a complex formula from several pieces of
personal
data. What this means is that law enforcement officials can
determine
your birthdate, state of origin, and initials from your SIN.
endquote
p.238. It continues to say in the section on credsticks:
Credsticks are
pen-sized tubes that serve as simultaneous ID and credit card ...
in
addition to storing SIN's and other ID, credsticks are primarily
used
to transfer money.
Sorry if this sounds like rule-mongering but I hope it helps...
there is more info on credsticks in the Neo-Anarchist's Guide to
Real
Life, but alas, I do not have a copy.
-- Cymon
Message no. 7
From: Lars Wagner Hansen l-hansen@*****.tele.dk
Subject: (Gay question of the day)SIN'S
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:01:33 +0100
From: Josh <a320@*********.com>
<Snip>
> I would think it like a credit card, with a magnetic
> strip(actually something more "modern" I think) or something

Information on the Credsticks, which is the most common carrier of sin-numbers, can also
be found in Matrix.

Lars

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