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Message no. 1
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:49:04 -0400
After searching the Grimoire (sorry, haven't gotten MiTS yet), I have
a question about phys-ad geasa: Can the same geas be taken to decrease the
cost of physad powers? IE. One of my players took:
Increased Reflexes +2, Killing Hands (S) and Distance Strike, and took
the geas that he has to eat a piece of real meat with every meal as the
geas for all three. Is there any page in either the Grimoire or Awakenings
I can point to and say "NO"? It violates the spirit of the law, IMO, but
not the letter that I can find...

PS. A bonus question: Do combat spells stage up with successes? Would
a (SRII) Manabolt with four successes be Deadly+1?

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Message no. 2
From: Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:02:00 -0400
> After searching the Grimoire (sorry, haven't gotten MiTS yet), I
have
>a question about phys-ad geasa: Can the same geas be taken to
decrease the
>cost of physad powers? IE. One of my players took:
> Increased Reflexes +2, Killing Hands (S) and Distance Strike, and
took
>the geas that he has to eat a piece of real meat with every meal as
the
>geas for all three. Is there any page in either the Grimoire or
Awakenings
>I can point to and say "NO"? It violates the spirit of the law, IMO,
but
>not the letter that I can find...
>
> PS. A bonus question: Do combat spells stage up with successes?
Would
>a (SRII) Manabolt with four successes be Deadly+1?


*ROTFLOL*

Do you have any idea how hard it is to find red meat in the world of
Shadowrun?! With everyone living on soy and krill, red meat's
considered a near-delicacy!!! Unless he's living a High (I'd mark it
as Luxury myself), your adept is SO screwed!

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Message no. 3
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 05:01:06 EDT
In a message dated 8/25/99 1:03:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
angelkiller404@**********.com writes:

>
> > PS. A bonus question: Do combat spells stage up with successes?
> Would
> >a (SRII) Manabolt with four successes be Deadly+1?


Yes, of course combat spells stage up with successes. Under SR3 all combat
spells are variable damage/drain codes. What it means is that a magician
doesn't have to learn Mana Dart for a Light Damage spell, and cycle on up
through Moderate, Serious, ect. You take one spell called Mana Bolt and can
set it for L, M, S, or D. And the Drain Level base corresponds to what
you've chosen.

I'm not sure what you mean by +1 to Deadly, though. (But then again I've
been trying to forget the SR2 rules so I won't have conflictions with SR3.
I'm still haunted by the Mana Barrier description text.)



-Twist
Message no. 4
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:34:20 +0200
According to Strago, at 0:49 on 25 Aug 99, the word on
the street was...

> After searching the Grimoire (sorry, haven't gotten MiTS yet), I have
> a question about phys-ad geasa: Can the same geas be taken to decrease the
> cost of physad powers? IE. One of my players took:

The rule you're after is in Awakenings, page 112: a geas reduces the cost
by 25%, but the power is completely unavailable if the geas hasn't been
met.

> PS. A bonus question: Do combat spells stage up with successes? Would
> a (SRII) Manabolt with four successes be Deadly+1?

If you use some overdamage (house) rules, sure. BTB, combat spells get
staged up and down as any other damage, with the addition that, if the
target gets more successes, the spell causes no damage at all. Thus, a
mana bolt with two net successes causes Deadly damage. That same spell
with -2 net successes for the caster (i.e. the target rolls two more than
the caster) causes no damage.

And for the record, the above is for SRII, not SR3, before somebody tells
me that in SR3, combat spells have variable damages...

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Message no. 5
From: Chris Maxfield cmaxfiel@****.org.au
Subject: Geasa
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:11:35 +1000
At 00:49 25/08/99 -0400, Strago wrote:
> PS. A bonus question: Do combat spells stage up with successes? Would
>a (SRII) Manabolt with four successes be Deadly+1?

Early printings accidentally left staging of combat spells out but it's in
any SR3 errata: 'Add the following sentence to the end of the third
paragraph. "For any spells that damage the target, stage up the Damage
Level for every 2 net successes." '


Chris
Message no. 6
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:22:06 -0400
Gurth wrote:

> According to Strago, at 0:49 on 25 Aug 99, the word on
> the street was...
>
> > After searching the Grimoire (sorry, haven't gotten MiTS yet), I have
> > a question about phys-ad geasa: Can the same geas be taken to decrease the
> > cost of physad powers? IE. One of my players took:
>
> The rule you're after is in Awakenings, page 112: a geas reduces the cost
> by 25%, but the power is completely unavailable if the geas hasn't been
> met.
>

But can you reduce multiple powers with the same geas?

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:09:18 +0200
According to Strago, at 12:22 on 25 Aug 99, the word on
the street was...

> > The rule you're after is in Awakenings, page 112: a geas reduces the cost
> > by 25%, but the power is completely unavailable if the geas hasn't been
> > met.
>
> But can you reduce multiple powers with the same geas?

I don't see why you couldn't. All that means is that none of them will
work unless you stick to the geas; you could have 7.5 points of powers,
but all of them inoperative if you take the same geas on all of them.

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Message no. 8
From: Mark A Shieh SHODAN+@***.EDU
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:11:17 -0400 (EDT)
Strago <strago@***.com> writes:
> Gurth wrote:
> > According to Strago, at 0:49 on 25 Aug 99, the word on
> > the street was...
> >
> > The rule you're after is in Awakenings, page 112: a geas reduces the cost
> > by 25%, but the power is completely unavailable if the geas hasn't been
> > met.
>
> But can you reduce multiple powers with the same geas?

That's how we play. Here's how we think of things... Powers
aren't particularly dependent on each other. It's not that you're
reducing multiple powers with the same geas, but that any power taken
at a lowered cost must have a limitation.
You don't have to use the same crutch for every power, but it
makes the most sense.

Mark
Message no. 9
From: Veskrashen veskrashen@*******.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:32:53 -1100
Angelkiller 404 wrote:
>
> > After searching the Grimoire (sorry, haven't gotten MiTS yet), I
> have
> >a question about phys-ad geasa: Can the same geas be taken to
> decrease the
> >cost of physad powers? IE. One of my players took:
> > Increased Reflexes +2, Killing Hands (S) and Distance Strike, and
> took
> >the geas that he has to eat a piece of real meat with every meal as
> the
> >geas for all three. Is there any page in either the Grimoire or
> Awakenings
> >I can point to and say "NO"? It violates the spirit of the law, IMO,
> but
> >not the letter that I can find...

As long as you require him to eat a piece of meat (and I'd make it a
good 4-6 ounces worth for a "piece"), I guess that'd be ok. However, I
think it would be better to choose a different geas, or at least expand
on this one. For example, a Fetish geas linked to a Yakuza tattoo would
be ok, and could probably be taken more than once as long as the tattoo
becomes more and more detailed and complex. Just to be an ass, I
wouldn't let the tattoo heal when he does, requiring extensive plastic
or magical surgery to remove the scars, then hours of reinking. And god
help him if the tattoo doesn't come out just right... :)

> Do you have any idea how hard it is to find red meat in the world of
> Shadowrun?! With everyone living on soy and krill, red meat's
> considered a near-delicacy!!! Unless he's living a High (I'd mark it
> as Luxury myself), your adept is SO screwed!

"Devil Rats, the other red meat..."

-Ves
Message no. 10
From: Richard Swen rswen@********.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:04:57 -0700
At 11:09 AM 8/25/99, Gurth wrote:
[Snip]
>
>I don't see why you couldn't. All that means is that none of them will
>work unless you stick to the geas; you could have 7.5 points of powers,
>but all of them inoperative if you take the same geas on all of them.
>
[Snip]
What would be an appropriate geas for physad be. Perhaps something as
simple as making gestures which activate the power, or a vow never to
implant cyberware.

Thank you.
Richard Swen
Message no. 11
From: Arcady arcady@***.net
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:26:49 +700
>At 11:09 AM 8/25/99, Gurth wrote:
>[Snip]
>>
>>I don't see why you couldn't. All that means is that none of them will
>>work unless you stick to the geas; you could have 7.5 points of powers,
>>but all of them inoperative if you take the same geas on all of them.
>>
>[Snip]
>What would be an appropriate geas for physad be. Perhaps something as
>simple as making gestures which activate the power, or a vow never to
>implant cyberware.

A vow never to implant cyberware would not be a valid geas.

It's a condition that will not occur regularly.

A basic rule of thumb: If it isn't a hinderance, it isn't worth anything.

The geas should regularly affect roleplay or require a certain course of action.


Going through certain gestures would work. For instance having to say should
out some phrase with your distance strike...

Certain daily meditations would work. Doing some activity regularly would work.
Or doing some activity while using the ability.

The cyberware one does not have the character doing or being forbidden from
doing anything that they would normally consider anyway. After all cyberware
is already a no-no for magical types. And it does not involve any sort of regular
activity being forced or banned.

Eating Red meat is a leary one. Is this a hinderance or abnormal behaivoir?
If not I would not allow it. If it was I would want to know exactly how often
it had to be eaten and in what amounts and from what animals and the story behind
how and why it came to be the geasa.

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Message no. 12
From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:44:28 -0400
At 12.04 08-25-99 -0700, you wrote:
>What would be an appropriate geas for physad be. Perhaps something as
>simple as making gestures which activate the power, or a vow never to
>implant cyberware.

To me, geas are an example of true roleplaying. To say "I'll never use
cyberware" while thinking ("Not like need it anyway...") is bogus, IMO, as
is the "big ceremony and then you are done model" for physads.
However, the handgestures are a good idea as PART of the geas, to focus
your abilities. (Look at any anime.) However, they shouldn't be the
entire thing- minor sacrifices, daily meditations, vows of service and
gaurdianship, etc, are all ideas for the continueing geas of a physad.
Look at warrior cultures and thier codes (bushido, the code of chivlry,
etc) for ideas.


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Message no. 13
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Geasa
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:52:20 +0200
According to Richard Swen, at 12:04 on 25 Aug 99, the word on
the street was...

> What would be an appropriate geas for physad be. Perhaps something as
> simple as making gestures which activate the power, or a vow never to
> implant cyberware.

Anything that can be a regular hindrance, I'd say. Gesturing would be (it
is for spellcasters, so it should work for adepts too, IMHO), because if
you can't gesture the power doesn't work.

Taking a vow wouldn't be a good geas -- you do it once, and it won't
bother you again until you run into a situation where it applies; so
taking a vow never to implant cyberware is a much too easy way out to be a
geas.

If you need ideas for geasa, the Grimoire, Awakenings, and MITS all list
typical geasa, almost all of which can apply equally to regular magicians
and adepts.

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Message no. 14
From: David Cordy david.cordy@****.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:25:11 -0700
<SNIP>
> However, they shouldn't be the
> entire thing- minor sacrifices, daily meditations, vows of service and
> gaurdianship, etc, are all ideas for the continueing geas of a physad.
<snip>

I was thinking of making a PhysAd with his Increased Reaction and Quickness
tied to a geasa of having to meditate every morning (or waking after 6 hours
of sleep) for an hour to 'center' himself. And if he doesn't meditate not
only does he have the penalties, but he also feels like a complete klutz
until he does. Would this be legit?

DavidC
Message no. 15
From: Lars Ericson lericson@****.edu
Subject: Geasa
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:41:58 -0500
David Cordy wrote:

> I was thinking of making a PhysAd with his Increased Reaction and Quickness
> tied to a geasa of having to meditate every morning (or waking after 6 hours
> of sleep) for an hour to 'center' himself. And if he doesn't meditate not
> only does he have the penalties, but he also feels like a complete klutz
> until he does. Would this be legit?

The main problem I would have with this geas, as a GM, is that it
doesn't really hinder the character or inconveinence the character at
all. When would he not be able to meditate? Now if you made it a long
meditation, like 3-5 hours long, then it becomes a hinderance. Just make
sure the characters have to "pay" for their reduced cost, either through
Karma or through hassles.

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Message no. 16
From: Lars Ericson lericson@****.edu
Subject: Geasa
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:47:34 -0500
Lars Ericson wrote:

> The main problem I would have with this geas, as a GM, is that it
> doesn't really hinder the character or inconveinence the character at
> all. When would he not be able to meditate? Now if you made it a long
> meditation, like 3-5 hours long, then it becomes a hinderance. Just make
> sure the characters have to "pay" for their reduced cost, either through
> Karma or through hassles.

The last sentance didn't quite come out right. I meant characters have
to pay for the powers, whether it's through the full Point Cost, or
Point Cost + Hassle. Nothing should be for free.

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spark of enjoyment that keeps you going.
Message no. 17
From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: Geasa
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:24:33 -0400
At 10.25 08-26-99 -0700, you wrote:
>only does he have the penalties, but he also feels like a complete klutz
>until he does. Would this be legit?

Well, if he misses a day with a good excuse, I'd say there would be no
harm. But if he starts skipping, have him make a test each time he tried
to use a the power that geasa is tied to, with the TN increasing each day,
until he has failed to make a success. ("The Spirits are angry with you
for abandoning your oath, mortal!")
Now, if is a good physad, and started his meditations and devosions again,
he could start trying to roll for it in after he has done so for a number
of days equal to a multiple of the number of days that you have been lax.
At that point, they can start to roll to see if they can use thier powers,
with TNs decreasing at the same rate that they dropped last time.

BTW, the meditations need not be of the traditional meditational model,
but can be of the active type.


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Dismemberment."
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your philosophy."
Message no. 18
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Geasa
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:33:58 +0200
According to David Cordy, at 10:25 on 26 Aug 99, the word on
the street was...

> I was thinking of making a PhysAd with his Increased Reaction and Quickness
> tied to a geasa of having to meditate every morning (or waking after 6 hours
> of sleep) for an hour to 'center' himself. And if he doesn't meditate not
> only does he have the penalties, but he also feels like a complete klutz
> until he does. Would this be legit?

I'd allow it. Compare it to the Fasting geas: if you haven't eaten for 24
hours, you fulfill the geas; eat, and it's broken for 24 hours. This kind
of meditation would be much the same: if you've meditated, the powers work
for 24 hours from the _beginning_ of the meditation (so that you need to
meditate at least once every 24 hours, rather than being able to let 24
hours pass between meditations).

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Message no. 19
From: Arcady arcady@***.net
Subject: Geasa
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:11:02 +700
>I'd allow it. Compare it to the Fasting geas: if you haven't eaten for 24
>hours, you fulfill the geas; eat, and it's broken for 24 hours. This kind

>of meditation would be much the same: if you've meditated, the powers work

>for 24 hours from the _beginning_ of the meditation (so that you need to
>meditate at least once every 24 hours, rather than being able to let 24
>hours pass between meditations).

I don't see those as equivalent. You cannot Fast all the time. Fasting is in
my book possibly the most severe geasa in there. It quarantees you will have
to break it on a regular basis and that when you do you will be a mundane (or
lose some powers) for the next 24 hours. If you keep fasting and fufill your
geasa, you're health will go downhill very fast.

Meditation is a simple excercise one can almost always fufill.

I would allow the meditation. But I would not consider the two to be comparable.


Though a GM has to be sure they can reasonably put in situations that will break
the geas.

(much like a flaw, don't allow it if you don't expect it to come up. Three of
the mages in my game have sensitive system, so I know that sometime in the next
three scenerios I'm going to force them to choose between being cripples or
cybered...)

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Message no. 20
From: Kama kama@*******.net
Subject: Geasa
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Arcady wrote:

> >I'd allow it. Compare it to the Fasting geas: if you haven't eaten for 24
> >hours, you fulfill the geas; eat, and it's broken for 24 hours. This kind
>
> >of meditation would be much the same: if you've meditated, the powers work
>
> >for 24 hours from the _beginning_ of the meditation (so that you need to
> >meditate at least once every 24 hours, rather than being able to let 24
> >hours pass between meditations).
>
> I don't see those as equivalent. You cannot Fast all the time. Fasting is in
> my book possibly the most severe geasa in there. It quarantees you will have
> to break it on a regular basis and that when you do you will be a mundane (or
> lose some powers) for the next 24 hours. If you keep fasting and fufill your
> geasa, you're health will go downhill very fast.
>
> Meditation is a simple excercise one can almost always fufill.
>
> I would allow the meditation. But I would not consider the two to be comparable.
>
Part of it does depend on how you define "fasting".

Admitedly, if you define fasting as no food at all, the amount of time you
could fulfill such a geasa would be limited. However, if you merely
limited the time and place when eating was allowed (such as the form of
fasting practiced during the Holy month of Ramadan) you could fulfill the
requirement indefinately. In fact, I think this type of a "fasting" geasa
would be very appropriate for a strongly religious Islamic character.

Alternatively, you could have someone on a liquids only fast who could
manage for quite a long time without having to break it (soy shakes with
added nutrients).

Kama
Keeper of the Dicebag from Hell(tm)
Message no. 21
From: lomion lomion@*********.escnd1.sdca.home.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:59:31 -0700
>>
>Part of it does depend on how you define "fasting".
>

Also what about say refusing certain types of food? or restrictionso n how you
eat? Say you won't eat in front of others? Or say you will not eat pork or
beef...etc..


--Lomion
Message no. 22
From: Damian Sharp zadoc@***.neu.edu
Subject: Geasa
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:43:25 -0400 (EDT)
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Kama wrote:

> Part of it does depend on how you define "fasting".
>
> Admitedly, if you define fasting as no food at all, the amount of time you
> could fulfill such a geasa would be limited. However, if you merely
> limited the time and place when eating was allowed (such as the form of
> fasting practiced during the Holy month of Ramadan) you could fulfill the
> requirement indefinately. In fact, I think this type of a "fasting" geasa
> would be very appropriate for a strongly religious Islamic character.
>
> Alternatively, you could have someone on a liquids only fast who could
> manage for quite a long time without having to break it (soy shakes with
> added nutrients).

Also, I definately remember a 'Nutrition' Spell, and a 'No Sleep' spell,
which, uses liberally, would allow someone to exist without food or sleep,
indefinately. That'd make it pretty easy to Fast forever.

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Message no. 23
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 23:48:33 -0500
Does "Only while indepedant cybereye is in use" count as a geas?

Ie, if the mage has three eyes (2 natural, & 1 independant cybereye), as
long as he uses the cybereye (regardless of whether or not the two
natural eyes are used.), the geas is unbroken. If he closes the cybereye,
it is deactivated/disabled, or it is damaged/removed, then the geas is
broken.

What special problems would arise from this? (ie, astral projection?)

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Message no. 24
From: Phil Smith phil_urbanhell@*******.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 17:56:43 GMT
>From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com>
>Does "Only while indepedant cybereye is in use" count as a geas?
>
>Ie, if the mage has three eyes (2 natural, & 1 independant cybereye), as
>long as he uses the cybereye (regardless of whether or not the two
>natural eyes are used.), the geas is unbroken. If he closes the cybereye,
>it is deactivated/disabled, or it is damaged/removed, then the geas is
>broken.

It would depend on where the eye is; if its in your forehead I would not
allow it, if its on the heel of your left foot that would limit you:)

>What special problems would arise from this? (ie, astral projection?)

Actually you don't need to have your eyes open to go on the astral; infact
IMHO you can't keep your eyes open when you do; you do actually leave your
body (effectively dieing). I don't think astral perception has anything to
do with actual sight either.

How are these for a Gesa?
Can only cast mana spells (or can only cast physical spells).
Can only wear up to 2 points of impact armor.
Must cast spells at a force higher than magic attribute.

Phil
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Message no. 25
From: Alfredo B Alves dghost@****.com
Subject: Geasa
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:28:44 -0500
On Wed, 03 May 2000 17:56:43 GMT "Phil Smith"
<phil_urbanhell@*******.com> writes:
>
> >From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.com>
> >Does "Only while indepedant cybereye is in use" count as a geas?
> >
> >Ie, if the mage has three eyes (2 natural, & 1 independant
> >cybereye), as
> >long as he uses the cybereye (regardless of whether or not the two
> >natural eyes are used.), the geas is unbroken. If he closes the
> >cybereye,
> >it is deactivated/disabled, or it is damaged/removed, then the geas
> > is
> >broken.

> It would depend on where the eye is; if its in your forehead I would
> not
> allow it, if its on the heel of your left foot that would limit
> you:)

Check the possible penalties for using an independant cybereye; it can
limit you.

> >What special problems would arise from this? (ie, astral
> >projection?)

> Actually you don't need to have your eyes open to go on the astral;
> infact
> IMHO you can't keep your eyes open when you do; you do actually
> leave your
> body (effectively dieing). I don't think astral perception has
> anything to
> do with actual sight either.

IOW, what you are saying is that you break the aforementioned geas
everytime you astrally project?

> How are these for a Gesa?
> Can only cast mana spells (or can only cast physical spells).
> Can only wear up to 2 points of impact armor.
> Must cast spells at a force higher than magic attribute.

Thos all sound okay except for the first one ...

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