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Message no. 1
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:23:54 -0800
From our game tonight...

Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?

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Message no. 2
From: Keldon Mor Keldon@********.net
Subject: Gems....
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 02:52:52 -0600
>>From our game tonight...
>
>Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?
>
>--
>Dvixen - dvixen@********.com - dvixen@****.com


Depending on who you're with, it might default to willpower......

And if you're a male, you might have to resist drain....

Peace,
Keldon Mor
Keldon@********.net
http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/keldon
Message no. 3
From: ArcLight arclight@**************.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:13:17 +0100
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*****.html.com
> [mailto:shadowrn-admin@*****.html.com]On Behalf Of Dvixen
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:24 AM
> To: shadowrn@*****.html.com
> Subject: Gems....
>
>
> >From our game tonight...
>
> Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?

Quickness, I would say.

ArcLight
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Message no. 4
From: ArcLight arclight@**************.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 12:13:19 +0100
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-admin@*****.html.com
> [mailto:shadowrn-admin@*****.html.com]On Behalf Of Keldon Mor
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 9:53 AM
> To: shadowrn@*****.html.com
> Subject: Re: Gems....
>
>
> >>From our game tonight...
> >
> >Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?
> >
> >--
> >Dvixen - dvixen@********.com - dvixen@****.com
>
>
> Depending on who you're with, it might default to willpower......
>
> And if you're a male, you might have to resist drain....

LOL!!!

ArcLight
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Message no. 5
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:30:28 -0600
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:23:54 -0800 Dvixen <dvixen@****.com> writes:
>From our game tonight...
>
>Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?

I would say Body, same as Athletics... (Stamina and all ;)
..."And they do a triple summersault into a two cows flying..."

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(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
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Trainspotting
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Message no. 6
From: Steven A. Tinner bluewizard@*****.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:57:34 -0500
>>Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?

I gotta go with Willpower.
'Cause even when you're tired, sometimes you just gotta keep going.
Of course, thouse with a more romantic bent might want to make it default to
Magic. ;-)

>..."And they do a triple summersault into a two cows flying..."
"Making a perfect Beast with Two Backs!!"

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Message no. 7
From: Grahamdrew mnemonic25@*********.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:47:24 -0500
Dvixen wrote:
>
> >From our game tonight...
>
> Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?

<snip sig>

I seem to recall someone actually writing up game mechanics for it a few
months ago. Anybody still got that?
Message no. 8
From: Schizi@***.com Schizi@***.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:40:24 EST
In a message dated 1/30/99 12:25:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, dvixen@****.com
writes:

>
> Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?
>
Actually we always played it as a specialization of Car, but it might also
default to Magic rating.

("We had teh most magical eveneing")

That was of course j/k

In WW they actually have a whole seduction series (first opening line Cha,
through the Bod roll for stamina, maybe adding a stealth roll to slip away?)
Message no. 9
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: Gems....
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:53:58 -0500
Grahamdrew wrote:
> Dvixen wrote:
> > >From our game tonight...
> >
> > Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?
>
> I seem to recall someone actually writing up game mechanics for it a few
> months ago. Anybody still got that?
>
Well, what I'd use (third or fourth incarnation ;-) ) would be:
Treat sex as an attack doing stun damage. Roll Athletics with a TN of
partner's Willpower. "Attacker" can use net successes to stage up
damage, or to increase or decrease the base time. Attacker does a base
of Charisma M stun, resisted by Willpower.

If you want things to be amusing, try using initiative rules... :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 10
From: Mark A Shieh SHODAN+@***.EDU
Subject: Gems....
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:57:06 -0500 (EST)
Dvixen <dvixen@****.com> writes:
> From our game tonight...
>
> Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?

I think you're going to have to fall back to SR2 rules for
this.

"Well, if I default from Athletics, it's only 3 dots away, but
I've got a 9 dice in Enchanting, let's see how that works..."

Mark
Message no. 11
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:02:38 -0500
"Ojaste,James [NCR]" wrote:

> Grahamdrew wrote:
> > Dvixen wrote:
> > > >From our game tonight...
> > >
> > > Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?
> >
> > I seem to recall someone actually writing up game mechanics for it a few
> > months ago. Anybody still got that?
> >
> Well, what I'd use (third or fourth incarnation ;-) ) would be:
> Treat sex as an attack doing stun damage. Roll Athletics with a TN of
> partner's Willpower. "Attacker" can use net successes to stage up
> damage, or to increase or decrease the base time. Attacker does a base
> of Charisma M stun, resisted by Willpower.

Yeah, but who'd WANT to resist that sorta damage? ;)


I WAS going to write a supplement on the topic. I even put together some names
and stuff. But alas, I lost interest. Ah, well.

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Message no. 12
From: Dave Post caelric@****.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 14:16:36 -0800
At 05:02 PM 2/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>"Ojaste,James [NCR]" wrote:
>
>> Grahamdrew wrote:
>> > Dvixen wrote:
>> > > >From our game tonight...
>> > >
>> > > Assuming sex is an active skill, what does it default to?
>> >
>> > I seem to recall someone actually writing up game mechanics for it a few
>> > months ago. Anybody still got that?
>> >
>> Well, what I'd use (third or fourth incarnation ;-) ) would be:
>> Treat sex as an attack doing stun damage. Roll Athletics with a TN of
>> partner's Willpower. "Attacker" can use net successes to stage up
>> damage, or to increase or decrease the base time. Attacker does a base
>> of Charisma M stun, resisted by Willpower.
>
>Yeah, but who'd WANT to resist that sorta damage? ;)
>
>
>I WAS going to write a supplement on the topic. I even put together some
names
>and stuff. But alas, I lost interest. Ah, well.
>
>--Jett
>

Its not whether or not you want to resist it that interests me. I'm sort
of thinking of what happens when you get the deadly stun and have to move
some damage over into the physical....That might definately qualify as
mind-blowing sex.......;)

Dave
Message no. 13
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:56:53 -0600
On Mon, 01 Feb 1999 17:02:38 -0500 Jett <zmjett@*********.com> writes:
<SNIP>
>I WAS going to write a supplement on the topic. I even put together some
names
>and stuff. But alas, I lost interest. Ah, well.

Now I know I've had too much school work ... I can't think of a good
follow up jab to "I've lost interest in the sex supplement" (paraphrased
;)... Egads, and it's what? The third week??? This is going to be a
long semester...

--
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(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"We called him Mother Superior because of the length of his habit" --
Trainspotting
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Edition)

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Message no. 14
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: Gems...
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 21:24:10 -0800
Z: Does your van have weapons?

O: No, but the helicopters do.

T: Helicopters? I think flying those hunting for dogs m,ight get a little
bit of attention...

Z: But we could drag kibbles and they'd go after it?

T: Kibbles from a helicopter????

-------------

Z: Zip, an 10 year old street kid.

O: Octane, the teams new rigger.

T: Thag, Troll physad, master of obvious.

Scene is from one of the adventures in Predator and Prey, with the
paranormals animals running amok.....

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Message no. 15
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: Gems....
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 23:06:54 -0800
The things that come out of my player's minds.....

Involved:
-Dream, a decker who speak and thiinks in a monotone.
-Annex, a reporter who has very blunt methods.
-Arti, a physad who often confuses things and forgets noone knows what he
is talking about, even though he thinks he has explained everything.
-Rover, a sound specialist
-Burkoff, ex cop long gun.

Scene: the first meeting of the runners group with Dream. Annex has shown
up late, and the first thing she says is:

"You're late." She looks at the newcomer, Dream, and to him she says: "Take
off your clothes." (She a paranoid conspiracy theorist)

Dream: "You first." (Deadpan. The rest of the character are ROTFL)

Annex does, and Dream, without missing a beat: "I was being phicious."

Annex: I"I'm not trusting him until I see his butt."

Rover is convinced she is looking for the tatoo of Bob, which is rumoured
to be branded on the asses of "them".

-------
*sigh*

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Message no. 16
From: Ulrich Haupt sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:47:39 +0200
I'd like to let my players find some gems like diamonds or
emeralds. Does anybody have a price/weight list for
(un)cutten gems which can be used in Shadowrun. I'd like to
be realistic for that matter.

Thanks
Sandman
Message no. 17
From: Lloyd Vance ljvance@*******.edu
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:05:36
At 11:47 AM 8/10/99 +0200, you wrote:
>I'd like to let my players find some gems like diamonds or
>emeralds. Does anybody have a price/weight list for
>(un)cutten gems which can be used in Shadowrun. I'd like to
>be realistic for that matter.
>Thanks
> Sandman

The only place I remember seeing gems prices was in Grim2, mentioned under
the free spirit power of creating them. I don't remember anything else,
and have already packed my GR2 in a box because I'm moving to the other
coast at the end of this month, but you could look there.

-The Hamm
Message no. 18
From: Ulrich Haupt sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:48:44 +0200
Hi,

I've posted this question some time ago and didn't recieve a
single answer so I give it another try:


I'd like to let my players find some gems like diamonds or
emeralds. Does anybody have a price/weight list for
(un)cutten gems which can be used in Shadowrun. I'd like to
be realistic for that matter.

Thanks
Sandman
Message no. 19
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:24:08 -0400
> Hi,
>
> I've posted this question some time ago and didn't recieve a
> single answer so I give it another try:
>
>
> I'd like to let my players find some gems like diamonds or
> emeralds. Does anybody have a price/weight list for
> (un)cutten gems which can be used in Shadowrun. I'd like to
> be realistic for that matter.
>
> Thanks
> Sandman
>

Diamonds [and emeralds, for that matter] don't work that way. First of all,
the quality--no, I won't go into detail about the 4 Cs--of the stone is a
huge factor. Second, the larger a stone is, the greater the price per carat.
[For instance, a 1 carat diamond is more than twice the cost of a 1/2 carat
diamond.]

Moreover, the price of an uncut diamond is more often than not based on the
estimated value of the cut diamond that could be generated from it. On
average, I'd say, from a 2 carat uncut stone, it would not be unreasonable
to assume you could generate a 1 carat finished stone of acceptable cut.

However, if you want a general guideline, I would say that a single carat
cut stone of decent quality should be between US$4,000 and US$4,800. Double
the number of carats if you're giving them uncut diamonds [which they should
prefer, as they are less identifiable.]

What I want to know is, how do they expect to sell these things? Do they
know any jewelers who'll buy rocks from the SIN-less? Uncut rocks, at that?
And if this is a high-pay job, are they not worried about flooding the
Seattle diamond market [I mean, we're not talking about an enormous market
here] and thus driving down the prices as each successive team member sells
his stash?

I don't know. If I were them, I'd require bearer bonds or certified
credstick. I mean, what is this, the 20th century?
Message no. 20
From: Ulrich Haupt sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:10:37 +0200
abortion_engine wrote:
<snip my text - I already know it :-) >

> Diamonds [and emeralds, for that matter] don't work that way. First of all,
> the quality--no, I won't go into detail about the 4 Cs--of the stone is a
> huge factor. Second, the larger a stone is, the greater the price per carat.
> [For instance, a 1 carat diamond is more than twice the cost of a 1/2 carat
> diamond.]
Yes, I know but I'd just like an estimation like

weight(c) diamond emerald saphire ...
1/2 200 120 150
1 500 ...
2
3

Just to be within the realistic limits.



> Moreover, the price of an uncut diamond is more often than not based on the
> estimated value of the cut diamond that could be generated from it. On
> average, I'd say, from a 2 carat uncut stone, it would not be unreasonable
> to assume you could generate a 1 carat finished stone of acceptable cut.
>
> However, if you want a general guideline, I would say that a single carat
> cut stone of decent quality should be between US$4,000 and US$4,800. Double
> the number of carats if you're giving them uncut diamonds [which they should
> prefer, as they are less identifiable.]
>
> What I want to know is, how do they expect to sell these things? Do they
> know any jewelers who'll buy rocks from the SIN-less? Uncut rocks, at that?
> And if this is a high-pay job, are they not worried about flooding the
> Seattle diamond market [I mean, we're not talking about an enormous market
> here] and thus driving down the prices as each successive team member sells
> his stash?
The jewelery is planned to be more some kind of extra money
which can be stored somewhere safe and is not ment as the
main payment. So they have something valueable that can be
sold everywhere all over the world (of course only for a
fraction of it's real value).

> I don't know. If I were them, I'd require bearer bonds or certified
> credstick. I mean, what is this, the 20th century?

I plan to let them infiltrate a smugglers ring which deals
with gems and other things. Maybe the characters take one
box and hide it before the final starts.


Sandman
Message no. 21
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:35:42 -0700
On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:48:44 +0200 Ulrich Haupt
<sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I've posted this question some time ago and didn't recieve a
> single answer so I give it another try:
>
>
> I'd like to let my players find some gems like diamonds or
> emeralds. Does anybody have a price/weight list for
> (un)cutten gems which can be used in Shadowrun. I'd like to
> be realistic for that matter.

My suggestion would be to plan ahead what you plan for them to find and
call a jeweller about it. It's probably not going to be a straight scale
since a diamond ten times larger than another diamond is going to be more
than ten times rarer.

If you have extra money around that you don't want to send to me, and
still want a simplified scale, pick up Rolemaster's Treasure Companion.
It has a price (in gold pieces :P) per carat of various gems. Just pick
a gem, a number of carats (something small, like 1-5) to be your basis,
and call a jeweler to get a price range on it. Then you have a standard
for conversion and can use a dozen or so pages of an $18 book. :)

--
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Message no. 22
From: Ulrich Haupt sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:15:44 +0200
dghost@****.com wrote:
<snippi>

> My suggestion would be to plan ahead what you plan for them to find and
> call a jeweller about it. It's probably not going to be a straight scale
> since a diamond ten times larger than another diamond is going to be more
> than ten times rarer.
I think it's some kind of exponential function with unknown
parameters ...



> If you have extra money around that you don't want to send to me, and
> still want a simplified scale, pick up Rolemaster's Treasure Companion.
> It has a price (in gold pieces :P) per carat of various gems. Just pick
> a gem, a number of carats (something small, like 1-5) to be your basis,
> and call a jeweler to get a price range on it. Then you have a standard
> for conversion and can use a dozen or so pages of an $18 book. :)

Hey - that's a good hint. I think I have a friend who has
played Rulemaster. I will ask him.

What I had in mind was some kind of stock exchange list but
jewlery seems to be a very individual thing.

Thanks anyway

Sandman
Message no. 23
From: dghost@****.com dghost@****.com
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:39:04 -0700
On Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:15:44 +0200 Ulrich Haupt
<sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de> writes:
<SNIP>
> > If you have extra money around that you don't want to send to me,
and
> > still want a simplified scale, pick up Rolemaster's Treasure
Companion.
> > It has a price (in gold pieces :P) per carat of various gems. Just
pick
> > a gem, a number of carats (something small, like 1-5) to be your
basis,
> > and call a jeweler to get a price range on it. Then you have a
standard
> > for conversion and can use a dozen or so pages of an $18 book. :)

> Hey - that's a good hint. I think I have a friend who has
> played Rulemaster. I will ask him.
>
> What I had in mind was some kind of stock exchange list but
> jewlery seems to be a very individual thing.

What you might also try is to look for some sort of jeweler's catalog (If
such a thing exists...) ... someplace that sells vut and uncut gems
places that make custom jewelery. Then pick up a few jewelery catalog
... that should give you a more accurate picture ... of course, it's alot
more work :)

> Thanks anyway

No Problem :)

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Message no. 24
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:52:16 EDT
In a message dated 9/7/1999 5:41:11 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de writes:

>
> I'd like to let my players find some gems like diamonds or
> emeralds. Does anybody have a price/weight list for
> (un)cutten gems which can be used in Shadowrun. I'd like to
> be realistic for that matter.

I thought this did get answered for some reason. The rules for "Minerals" in
the MitS text concerning magical stuff exist, which is based somewhat on
weight (you have to read the game mechanics of Enchanting/Talismongering to
figure them all out). They may seem mild, but if you consider that the
further along in the processing (refining) of the gems you get, the better
the quality and the smaller the volume and the higher the price.

-K
Message no. 25
From: Jett zmjett@*********.com
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:02:01 -0400
Ulrich Haupt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've posted this question some time ago and didn't recieve a
> single answer so I give it another try:
>
> I'd like to let my players find some gems like diamonds or
> emeralds. Does anybody have a price/weight list for
> (un)cutten gems which can be used in Shadowrun. I'd like to
> be realistic for that matter.
>
> Thanks
> Sandman

Not a price/weight list, but there is a small listing of precious
metals, and generic precious and semi-precious gems in Grimoire 2 for
enchanting purposes that will probably help some. the list is also in
MitS. Somewhere in there as well is just how much a unit of a material
is. It's in the enchanting section.

--Jett
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Message no. 26
From: Mockingbird mockingbird@*********.com
Subject: Gems
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 14:27:42 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Ulrich Haupt <sandman@****.uni-oldenburg.de>
To: <shadowrn@*********.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Gems



>
> Hey - that's a good hint. I think I have a friend who has
> played Rulemaster. I will ask him.
>
> What I had in mind was some kind of stock exchange list but
> jewlery seems to be a very individual thing.
>
> Thanks anyway
>
> Sandman
>
>

http://www.gemgarden.com

Mockingbird
Message no. 27
From: Anders Swenson anders@**********.com
Subject: Gems
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:29:58 -0700
> >
> > Hey - that's a good hint. I think I have a friend who has
> > played Rulemaster. I will ask him.
> >
> > What I had in mind was some kind of stock exchange list but
> > jewlery seems to be a very individual thing.
> >
> > Thanks anyway
> >
> > Sandman
Anybody think of looking on the web for references in RL? --Anders

> >
>
> http://www.gemgarden.com
>
> Mockingbird
>
>

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