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Message no. 1
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:13:48 EDT
In a message dated 10/21/1999 8:07:23 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
abortion_engine@*******.com writes:

>
> > Wait a second here ... Vasgothia translated (maybe?) to
> "Visigoths"...anyone
> > with geography could get the idea I believe.
> >
> Very good. A cookie for you, as well. And Thera?

All of *that* would depend on the descriptions of something else. Give me
the "north" differences, and we'll talk. Please remember folks, that the
poles' have *switched* once in the time frame-range being mentioned.

-K
[Hoosier Hacker House]
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/intro.htm]
ICQ#-51511837
Message no. 2
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:45:36 -0400
> > > Wait a second here ... Vasgothia translated (maybe?) to
> > "Visigoths"...anyone
> > > with geography could get the idea I believe.
> > >
> > Very good. A cookie for you, as well. And Thera?
>
> All of *that* would depend on the descriptions of something else. Give me
> the "north" differences, and we'll talk. Please remember folks, that the
> poles' have *switched* once in the time frame-range being mentioned.
>
Geographical or magnetic?
Message no. 3
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 03:43:37 EDT
In a message dated 10/21/1999 6:14:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
abortion_engine@*******.com writes:

> > > Very good. A cookie for you, as well. And Thera?
> >
> > All of *that* would depend on the descriptions of something else. Give
me
> > the "north" differences, and we'll talk. Please remember folks, that
the
> > poles' have *switched* once in the time frame-range being mentioned.
> >
> Geographical or magnetic?

Both would probably give me a better set of solution possibilities.

-K
[Hoosier Hacker House]
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/intro.htm]
ICQ#-51511837
Message no. 4
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:21:45 -0400
> > > > Very good. A cookie for you, as well. And Thera?
> > >
> > > All of *that* would depend on the descriptions of something else.
Give
> me
> > > the "north" differences, and we'll talk. Please remember folks,
that
the
> > > poles' have *switched* once in the time frame-range being mentioned.
> > >
> > Geographical or magnetic?
>
> Both would probably give me a better set of solution possibilities.
>
My point is that the geographical poles have not switched in the intervening
years. Unless the planet flipped upside down and I missed it. Which isn't
very likely.

No, ED's north and south are the same as ours, and Barsaive is the lower
Russian landmass between the Caspian and Black Seas. That should fix any
geography problems you might have.

[Geographical pole switch...<grumble grumble grumble...>]
Message no. 5
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:44:59 EDT
In a message dated 10/22/1999 7:23:42 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
abortion_engine@*******.com writes:

> > Both would probably give me a better set of solution possibilities.
> >
> My point is that the geographical poles have not switched in the
intervening
> years. Unless the planet flipped upside down and I missed it. Which isn't
> very likely.
>
> No, ED's north and south are the same as ours, and Barsaive is the lower
> Russian landmass between the Caspian and Black Seas. That should fix any
> geography problems you might have.
>
> [Geographical pole switch...<grumble grumble grumble...>]
>
Actually, given certain changes that *may* have happened, there could have
been changes to the geographic centrality of the place. No, I agree that it
isn't likely and there'd be proof all over the place (probably).

Ever actually have a map of Barsaive and turn it so that north is west and
see what happens?

-K
[Hoosier Hacker House]
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/intro.htm]
ICQ#-51511837
Message no. 6
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*****.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:16:40 -0500
:Ever actually have a map of Barsaive and turn it so that north is west and
:see what happens?


There is a map of the Theran Empire in the the Theran Empire sourcebook.
It is unambigously a map of Eurasia and northen Africa. Supposedly it was
produced by the library of Throal, so it has some minor variences- much less
than real historic maps, however. Rotating it just makes it a sideways map
of Eurasia. "Thera" is in fact the island "Thera", a real island that
was
mostly destroyed by volcanic activity. Certainly, there are some very odd
pehnomina (Theran builings being near duplicates of certain famous
structures that are now-days elswhere), but those are more easily explained
by histrical change than geo-astrological change.

Mongoose
Message no. 7
From: vocenoctum@****.com vocenoctum@****.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:21:19 -0400
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:13:48 EDT Ereskanti@***.com writes:
> In a message dated 10/21/1999 8:07:23 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> abortion_engine@*******.com writes:
>
> >
> > > Wait a second here ... Vasgothia translated (maybe?) to
> > "Visigoths"...anyone
> > > with geography could get the idea I believe.
> > >
> > Very good. A cookie for you, as well. And Thera?
>
> All of *that* would depend on the descriptions of something else.
> Give me
> the "north" differences, and we'll talk. Please remember folks,
> that the
> poles' have *switched* once in the time frame-range being mentioned.

Or, it would be the island of Thera (Santorina?) off of the Greek coast.
Also note, in teh Thera sourcebook, there is a map of Europe.

Vocenoctum
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Message no. 8
From: Dan Calvert dcalvert@*****.msn.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:18:36 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: Sebastian Wiers <m0ng005e@*****.com>
To: <shadowrn@*********.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 1999 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: Geography (Re: Dragons)


>
> :Ever actually have a map of Barsaive and turn it so that north is west
and
> :see what happens?
>
>
> There is a map of the Theran Empire in the the Theran Empire
sourcebook.
> It is unambigously a map of Eurasia and northen Africa. Supposedly it was
> produced by the library of Throal, so it has some minor variences- much
less
> than real historic maps, however. Rotating it just makes it a sideways
map
> of Eurasia. "Thera" is in fact the island "Thera", a real island
that was
> mostly destroyed by volcanic activity. Certainly, there are some very odd
> pehnomina (Theran builings being near duplicates of certain famous
> structures that are now-days elswhere), but those are more easily
explained
> by histrical change than geo-astrological change.
>
> Mongoose
>
>


And Thera *DID* blow up between five and six thousand years ago, IIRC......


Willow
Message no. 9
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:39:41 -0400
> > > Both would probably give me a better set of solution possibilities.
> > >
> > My point is that the geographical poles have not switched in the
> intervening
> > years. Unless the planet flipped upside down and I missed it. Which
isn't
> > very likely.
> >
> > No, ED's north and south are the same as ours, and Barsaive is the
lower
> > Russian landmass between the Caspian and Black Seas. That should fix
any
> > geography problems you might have.
> >
> > [Geographical pole switch...<grumble grumble grumble...>]
> >
> Actually, given certain changes that *may* have happened, there could have
> been changes to the geographic centrality of the place. No, I agree that
it
> isn't likely and there'd be proof all over the place (probably).

Now that I understand. Yes, that's possible.

> Ever actually have a map of Barsaive and turn it so that north is west and
> see what happens?
>
Ah, no. Now that I have a copy of the ED main book [yea!] I can do so. What,
exactly, am I looking for?
Message no. 10
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Geography (Re: Dragons)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 15:50:20 EDT
In a message dated 10/25/1999 7:41:22 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
abortion_engine@*******.com writes:

>
> > Ever actually have a map of Barsaive and turn it so that north is west
and
> > see what happens?
> >
> Ah, no. Now that I have a copy of the ED main book [yea!] I can do so.
What,
> exactly, am I looking for?

If you find a copy of ... JRR Tolkein's books, there's a map inside one of
them as well. *Now* make a comparison. Things are downright silly, or so
I've been told.

-K
[Hoosier Hacker House]
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/index.html]
ICQ#-51511837

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