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Message no. 1
From: Chris Siebenmann <cks@********.UTCS.TORONTO.EDU>
Subject: Getting a SIN
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1993 20:31:02 -0400
This really depends on just what a SIN is in your world, and how common
they are. I'll give you the answer I use:

In my world (taking a leaf from INTO THE SHADOWS, where this is
mentioned in a story), a SIN is a ticket to the world of the (free)
government services that we take for granted today. Things like social
security, welfare, unemployment compensation, medicare, schools, and
the like; if you don't have a SIN, the government isn't obliged to give
them to you for free. My world is also relatively full of the SINless,
and they generally have money. Since people want to take money from you,
they generally aren't going to let a little thing like a lack of a SIN
stand in the way.

Accordingly, the government doesn't really want to give you one unless
either they have to or they think they'll get more money from you than
you're going to cost them. How does this work for the players? Well,
here's a bunch of ways they can wind up with legit ones:

- be the properly registered child of someone with a SIN. This forces the
government to give you one.
- buy a SIN outright. A bit tricky, but doable.
- start a company and, when tax time rolls around, if you earned enough,
the IRS will give you a SIN for record-keeping purposes. In practice,
this is how most people buy theirs.
- be hired by a sufficiently big company on a permanent job; a SIN is one
of the perks. You'd better be a pretty hot shot, though, to get in in
the first place.

Note that the government doesn't demand a SIN to take your money with
taxes -- oh no. The government loves to be able to tax people without
having to give them benefits, and tries to do it wherever possible.
Real companies are expected to withhold all applicable taxes when they
pay you (fake companies can get busted by Federal and local authorities).

To a certain extent, some services require SINs, particularly
government ones; no convenient licenses to carry firearms without one,
for example. The big banks also generally don't want the complication
that holding accounts for the SINless garners, but smaller banks (and
independant subsiduaries of larger ones) will be happy to take it. Ditto
for most common services.

- cks
Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Getting a SIN
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:59:41 +0100
James Lindsay said on 3:02/ 5 Mar 98...

> Here's an interesting point: what do hospitals do in 205x when a SINless
> person needs immediate medical attention? Does the hippocratic oath only
> apply when caring for legal citizens?

Depends on the hospital and the doctor, I'd say. Some would patch up
SINless people without entering them into their computer, and once they're
out of immediate danger send them home and tell them to drop by every X
days. Others would simply turn you away and/or refer you to a free clinic
("Sorry, we can't help you without a SIN. Try the Universal Brotherhood, I
hear they treat SINless people.")

Then there'd probably be corrupt doctors who'll gladly treat SINless
people as long as they can pay -- which will likely be a lot more than the
going rate, but hey, who is the patient going to complain to?

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Message no. 3
From: Nexx <Nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Getting a SIN
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:54:31 -0600
> ("Sorry, we can't help you without a SIN. Try the Universal Brotherhood,
I
> hear they treat SINless people.")

This is slightly off topic, but its been running through my head ever
since I read SR1. Does anyone else find it ironic that many of the
criminals are going to be, in the eyes of the government, SINless, while
SINners are going to be the good citizens?

Sorry, just something I had to get out of my system.

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aka Ellegon
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