| From: | Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK> |
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| Subject: | Give it a rest - was re: Paul Hume (Was Re: Possession) |
| Date: | Wed, 24 Dec 1997 17:10:34 +0000 |
<chaos@*****.COM> waffled & burbled about Paul Hume (Was Re: Possession)
<snip of boring, tedious and repetitive argument>
>Time to let go of your hero worship and get on with things...
That's an interesting statement - coming from you Bull. Hero worship.
Hmmm. Let he who has no guilt cast the first stones.
<snip continuation of boring and repetitive insultations>
This is getting annoying. You yourself claim to be above this sort of
behaviour, yet merrily indulge for little reason other than... no I
won't get into that here. If you and others wish to trade insults take
it to private mail there's sufficient crap coming through from this list
as is, without adding to it in pointless "I think you're full of shit"
threads.
So ladies and germs, take it to private or ignore those who don't meet
your own opinions of the game. I personally would find it insulting if
I were Jon or Mike or Steve, to find that people were leaping to my
defence in a thread that essentially should be ignored and allowed to
die it's own ignominious death.
Ok so Ivy has rubbed a few furs the wrong way - well, big deal. What's
the matter kiddies, someone strange pissing in your sandbox huh? Don't
like what Ivy has to say, fine do what I've done up to this point.
Ignore it. If you don't propogate the silly thread by answering to it,
it won't survive beyind the first couple of postings. You are all
claiming to be nice polite and sensitive people <yeah right> So, if
that's the case, why don't you try to exersize some of that sensitivity,
and run away from the thread.
Ivy is not alone in the world in hating certain aspects of Shadowrun.
I've seen quotes on this list from a couple of years ago, that are used
as canon arguments, yet using Paul Hume and Tom Dowd is illegal for Ivy,
yet legal for others. <helloooo> What's wrong with this judgement?
Shadowrun is Shadowrun is Shadowrun. I personally, and passionatley
despise the London Sourcebook, and have no respect for Jak Koke's (IMO
pathetic storyline for the Dragonheart trilogy) there are others here
who hate the CFS, Aztlan, Awakenings, VR2, and others. OK, aside from
myself very few have taken their lives in their hands and publicly
announced their hatred of FASA product. But... This is not to say that
it hasn't been done. Ivy has been rather obnoxious in some of "it's"
posts. Big deal. Top Cat has also been obnoxious in the past, as have
Doom, and others.
Deal with it. Occassionally someone is going to arrive and kick sand
around. Occassionally someone is going to arrive that is going to rub
sore points.
I would rather see constructive criticism of Shadowrun material, and
logical discussion of said material, than irritating hero worship and
bland "Oh wow man, you're on the list, bend over while I brown nose and
praise your material" OK, so the stuff produced was well liked, fine
say so and get it done. The material was disliked. Fine, say so, and
discuss why.
Insults get no-one anywhere - fast. Flames based upon "You can't be
right because we don't agree" are senseless, inane and childish. Now,
before you tell Ivy to grow up and get more polite. Try it yourselves.
Grow up and try to be more polite. I seem to recall that within 24
hours of the arrival MC23, "it" had insulted Gurth and started a flame
war with DVixen. After a short time, MC realised the error, and changed
accordingly, but is still a critical poster unlike the (sorry Bull)
rather sickening sugar sweet, chewy way certain people greet "Fasa
personnel" and product. They, as well as the rest of us are people.
Nobody likes being greeted with insults, criticisms and endless posts
requesting clarification of something. When they might actually be here
for discussion and enjoyment, maybe a break away from the pressure of
their jobs. Gosh, there's a new concept, A FASA personage coming to
visit to relax, and have fun discussing the game - strange concept that.
What do they get when they arrive - thousands of posts, privately and
here, on niggly rules points. Which, as has been seen, does little more
than cause friction between freelancers and permanent members.
So, what is so different between what you all do, and what Ivy has done.
Nothing. Ivy has criticised the Rigger 2 book in much the same way I
criticised the Companion when it was released. So, Ivy was a little
less delicate, Oh dear, too bad. Don't like it, then resist the
temptation to respond in like fashion. I somehow feel that Jon Szeto is
a big boy and can take such short sighted and ill-conceived criticism.
I have yet to see much of anything from this thread that enlightens me
to the problems with Rigger 2. I've found a couple of niggly points,
but hell, that's not unique.
So, people. Get a grip on reality. And either talk to Ivy about "its"
views, or shut the fuck up. Take it to private if you really want a
flame war before Christmas, because I'm getting sick to death of paying
for my connection only to download a pile of continuing insults and
praise of "Hey, that was a cool response, I think your a real hero."
Jeesus fucking Christ in a handcart, Get a grip!!!
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