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Message no. 1
From: "Mark C. Farrington" <alareth@*********.COM>
Subject: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:28:28 -0400
Goblinization was caused and is maintained by the mana spike that
brought about the Awakening. Therefore would it be possible that if you
were to remove orks and trolls from the Gaiasphere and transport them in
to space that they might "de"goblinize and return to normal? Would
removal from the magic rich environment "cure" them?

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Message no. 2
From: Cobra <wgallas@*****.FR>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:17:27 +0200
>Goblinization was caused and is maintained by the mana spike that
>brought about the Awakening. Therefore would it be possible that if you
>were to remove orks and trolls from the Gaiasphere and transport them in
>to space that they might "de"goblinize and return to normal? Would
>removal from the magic rich environment "cure" them?

IMO, no. At the time you goblinize, your ADN changes as well as your aura.
When you go into space, you only lose the ability to access magic energy,
it doesn't change anything in you...
For exemple, if a mage goes in space, he doesn't have the possibility to
cast a spell but he still has this ability (the knowledge and power to go
it). For astral perception, I would say he still is able to use it but with
maximum risk (all IMO).

- Cobra.
Message no. 3
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:16:12 -0500
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> From: Mark C. Farrington <alareth@*********.COM>

> Goblinization was caused and is maintained by the mana spike that
> brought about the Awakening. Therefore would it be possible that if you
> were to remove orks and trolls from the Gaiasphere and transport them in
> to space that they might "de"goblinize and return to normal? Would
> removal from the magic rich environment "cure" them?

From what I understand, no. The level of Mana is an enabling condition,
but its not required to sustain goblinization. Likely, what would happen
is that any children would be born human, but they would goblinize when
they returned to Earth (either at puberty or immediately upon return)
Message no. 4
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:30:42 -0500
>
> Goblinization was caused and is maintained by the mana spike that
> brought about the Awakening. Therefore would it be possible that if you
> were to remove orks and trolls from the Gaiasphere and transport them in
> to space that they might "de"goblinize and return to normal? Would
> removal from the magic rich environment "cure" them?
>
Nope the changes are permanent. (Unless you want to come up with
a ritual that says otherwise). FASA has pretty much backed this up
in novels and sourcebooks. At this point, I don't think scientist
are still positive was caused goblinization, or precisely how it worked.
So curing it is well science fiction. :)
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Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:33:42 +0100
And verily, did Mark C. Farrington hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Goblinization was caused and is maintained by the mana spike that
|brought about the Awakening. Therefore would it be possible that if you
|were to remove orks and trolls from the Gaiasphere and transport them in
|to space that they might "de"goblinize and return to normal? Would
|removal from the magic rich environment "cure" them?

No. Once the goblinisation process is complete, it's there for good.
If mana suddenly dropped, the Orcs and Trolls would still exist, as would
the elves and dwarfs.

However, they'd suddenly find, much to their horror, that they were the
"Breeders" (A derogatory term for humans) now, cos they were suddenly giving
birth to human kids again.

Once the last elf had died of old age, the entire population would be human,
and after a few hundred or thousand years, the other races would be
consigned to history, then legend, then mythology until the next upswing in
mana.
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Message no. 6
From: NEWSHADOW <NEWSHADOW@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:07:26 EDT
In a message dated 98-04-29 09:30:57 EDT, you write:

> > Goblinization was caused and is maintained by the mana spike that
> > brought about the Awakening. Therefore would it be possible that if you
> > were to remove orks and trolls from the Gaiasphere and transport them in
> > to space that they might "de"goblinize and return to normal? Would
> > removal from the magic rich environment "cure" them?
> >
> Nope the changes are permanent. (Unless you want to come up with
> a ritual that says otherwise). FASA has pretty much backed this up
> in novels and sourcebooks. At this point, I don't think scientist
> are still positive was caused goblinization, or precisely how it worked.
> So curing it is well science fiction. :)

I wouldn't be so quick to say no on this one. In the SR novel "Worlds Without
End," the story was written in first person POV from that of an IE. The IE
said that her elven features had faded away when the 5th world came, so she
wasn't recognized in her cell.

I'm not sure how long she had been in the cell, which was a tower in London,
but she was put in their during the 4th world. Her crime had been witchcraft,
she healed somebody who was sick.

SHADOW
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Message no. 7
From: "Jeremy \"Bolthy\" Zimmerman" <jeremy@***********.COM>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:12:06 -0700
>
> I wouldn't be so quick to say no on this one. In the SR novel "Worlds
Without
> End," the story was written in first person POV from that of an IE. The
IE
> said that her elven features had faded away when the 5th world came, so
she
> wasn't recognized in her cell.


Did they fade away? I thought she magically altered them... hrmmm... I may
be forced to subject myself to that book a second time.
Message no. 8
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:26:16 +0100
And verily, did NEWSHADOW hastily scribble thusly...
|I'm not sure how long she had been in the cell, which was a tower in London,
|but she was put in their during the 4th world. Her crime had been witchcraft,
|she healed somebody who was sick.

excueez me?
London? The 4th world?
Those two are mutually exclusive.
London didn't exist in the 4th world.
London didn't even exist 2000 years ago.
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Message no. 9
From: NEWSHADOW <NEWSHADOW@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:43:20 EDT
In a message dated 98-04-29 18:26:52 EDT, you write:

> London? The 4th world?
> Those two are mutually exclusive.
> London didn't exist in the 4th world.
> London didn't even exist 2000 years ago.

My apologies,
I was mistaken about that, but they were mentoning Kings and Queens so named
the wrong city.

SHADOW
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Message no. 10
From: scrose <scrose@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:41:43 -0500
Mark C. Farrington wrote:
>
> Goblinization was caused and is maintained by the mana spike that
> brought about the Awakening. Therefore would it be possible that if you
> were to remove orks and trolls from the Gaiasphere and transport them in
> to space that they might "de"goblinize and return to normal? Would
> removal from the magic rich environment "cure" them?

I would have to yes and no at the same time. Yes they would change back
in time but not in a reasonible amount of time. BTW the Orks and Trolls
are not the result of the mana spike they would have shown up anyways
prehaps not as soon but as the magic was and is on the rise they would
exist by this point anyways IMO...


Regards
Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:18:32 +0100
NEWSHADOW said on 18:07/29 Apr 98...

> I'm not sure how long she had been in the cell, which was a tower in London,
> but she was put in their during the 4th world. Her crime had been witchcraft,
> she healed somebody who was sick.

So you're saying the Tower of London has existed for over 5000+ years? I
know there's a picture of it (well, of a prison tower in Londinium) in an
Asterix album :) but 5000 or more years is stretching things a bit...

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Message no. 12
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:26:49 -0500
>> Goblinization was caused and is maintained by the mana spike that
>> brought about the Awakening. Therefore would it be possible that if
you
>> were to remove orks and trolls from the Gaiasphere and transport them
in
>> to space that they might "de"goblinize and return to normal? Would
>> removal from the magic rich environment "cure" them?
>
>I would have to yes and no at the same time. Yes they would change back
>in time but not in a reasonible amount of time. BTW the Orks and Trolls
>are not the result of the mana spike they would have shown up anyways
>prehaps not as soon but as the magic was and is on the rise they would
>exist by this point anyways IMO...
>


Similar to shapeshifters, would not all things revert to their true
forms, depending on the environment they are in at the time? Of course,
this all depends on what you consider their normal forms, with or
without mana...

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Message no. 13
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Goblinization and space
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:33:19 +0100
At 01-Mai-98 wrote rabiola:




>Similar to shapeshifters, would not all things revert to their true
>forms, depending on the environment they are in at the time? Of course,
>this all depends on what you consider their normal forms, with or
>without mana...

Nope goblinization is a non reversal thing, same for shapers, ST says this.
Once the mana level has effected the genes they will not refert to its former
state.


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