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From:	SHADE <MFN6430@*****.TAMU.EDU>
Subject:	goblins
Date:	Wed, 14 Jul 1993 11:12:24 -0500

Message no. 1 I could have sworn that Goblins are HMHVV forms of Dwarves in
paranormals europe. They also have stats for Minotaurs(sp), centaurs, and I
think Pixies. This might clear up lots of confusion about stats
SHADE

From:	"Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject:	Re: goblins
Date:	Wed, 14 Jul 1993 11:33:58 -0500

Message no. 2 On Wed, 14 Jul 1993, SHADE wrote:

> I could have sworn that Goblins are HMHVV forms of Dwarves in
> paranormals europe. They also have stats for Minotaurs(sp), centaurs, and I
> think Pixies. This might clear up lots of confusion about stats

I don't have any of the paranormals books, so I guess I don't have a
reference. But, they DO make sense as player character, I just can't
figure out what their stats would be.

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From:	The Deb Decker <RJR96326@****.UTULSA.EDU>
Subject:	Goblins
Date:	Wed, 14 Jul 1993 12:12:01 -0500

Message no. 3 Kurt objects to a goblin race in Shadowrun because "they're too weak in
D&D", and thinks the stats aren't "realistic"? Come on.

Trolls and Orks aren't standard PCs in D&D. Orks are often cannon fodder
in that game alongside goblins. And legends of goblins make them out to
be pretty bad dudes; Chaucer didn't struggle with the fine-details of
mythical beings. The point(s): Shadowrun is not D&D. Goblins can be
whatever you want.

I still say that Orks and Trolls are "goblins", the way blacks and whites
are "humans".

J Roberson

From:	Curtis W Patrick <cpatri@**.TAMU.EDU>
Subject:	Re: Goblins
Date:	Thu, 15 Jul 1993 13:30:22 CDT

Message no. 4 >>>>>
Kurt objects to a goblin race in Shadowrun because "they're too weak in
D&D", and thinks the stats aren't "realistic"? Come on.
<<<<<< [by: J Boerson]

I noticed my error in later posts. Orcs are pretty weak in d&d, but are
pretty power in SR.

>>>>>
I still say that Orks and Trolls are "goblins", the way blacks and whites
are "humans".
<<<<< [by: J Roberson]

I guess if one wants to go by the "book", then all metahumans are a goblin
derivative since it was labelled goblinization, right?

I agree with another point you made about D&D and Shadowrun are not really
interchangable as far as monsters and stuff goes, I simply needed some sort
of basis.

Of course, one could say we aren't real sure how strong humans were when
orcs existed (*wink*) and they could have just been comparably weak to those
humans but pretty strong compared to us.

Ramble mode disengadged.

Kurt

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