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Message no. 1
From: Mark Mains <mains@*********.NET>
Subject: Greetings and Re: 4th to 5th World
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:52:56 -0500
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Hello All,
I was looking for an oppurtune time to jump into the never ending flood of
questions and introduce myself. This seemed like a good time. My name is Mark
and I am a 23 year old living in good ol' Kentucky. I have been gaming for about
4 years now (I'm a late comer to RPG) and have been really getting into SR the
last year or so.
In SR I generally play mages or adepts (almost all my characters have an
extreme adversion to cyberware). The main reason that I joined this list was to
get some ideas about running and gain some clarifications on rules about magic
(I'll save the questions for a later postings).
As for the topic at hand, I had given a lot of thought to what happened during
the change from 4th to 5th world. I have finally concluded the following: (these
are my opinions only, feel free to comment)

(1) Paranormal Lifeforms, Metahumans, etc.-- No society every really falls in a
day...more like generations for all traces to be wiped out or for a change over to
truly occur. Since Mana in SR (6th world) is know to run in a spiking, upward
graph-like pattern I would assume that it decrease in the same manner. Over time
the number of metaforms that were born would decrease. This would lead to
societies founded by metahumans being taken over by humans over generations.
Paranormal animals would also become more rare as time went on until finally there
was a point when enough time had passed and magic was at it's lowest that these
concepts would fade into the realm of legend.

(2) Magic would not all fade at once but the available energy to cast spells etc
would fade. This would make it harder to light a house with magic...after a while
a mundane way would take the place and the magical way would again become a
"legend".

Anyway that is some quick ideas on my part about the 4th to 5th world transition.
This kind of change would certainly precipitate a "dark age" but I don't think
that it would be all that drastic as a whole. Toward the end of this dark age
much information about meta's, magic, etc would have been lost to the general
populace. It's hard to be a scholar when you have to work your but off for day to
day existance.

What do you think?

mark
mains@*********.net

Erik Jameson wrote:<<<<snip>>>>

> >>PS: Here's an interesting question to those following this topic; what
> >>happened at the transition from 4th age to 5th? We know what happened as
> >>the world entered the 6th, with goblinization and magic and the like; what
> >>happens when your neighbor the troll suddenly becomes human?



> <<<<snip>>>>



> Okay, so the trolls have human babies and so on. But what about their
> societies? I should think that major portions of their economies,
> religions, customs, etc., would simply collapse without the magic. The
> collapse of a society is fascinating; look what's been going on in Germany,
> with the fall of the Berlin Wall and the subsequent fall of communist
> Eastern Germany (DDR, ja?) and the problems of the two very different
> cultures clashing...or Russia, with the collapse of the USSR and it's
> changes in culture.
> Erik J.



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Message no. 2
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Greetings and Re: 4th to 5th World
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:32:55 EDT
In a message dated 4/22/98 3:13:27 AM !!!First Boot!!!, mains@*********.net
writes:

> This kind of change would certainly precipitate a "dark age" but I don't
> think
> that it would be all that drastic as a whole. Toward the end of this dark
> age
> much information about meta's, magic, etc would have been lost to the
> general
> populace. It's hard to be a scholar when you have to work your but off for
> day to
> day existance.
>
> What do you think?

I believe that like some things in life, the loss of mana in the world would
result in the practitioners of it becoming scarcer and the stories moving into
the realm of myths and legends, and once the mana is all but gone, unable to
support anything short of a true ritual, the stories would still be there, and
anyone capable of practicing the magic would be ridiculed, though even that
would depend on where they come from in the world (as I recall the English
Druids were still held in some position of respect).

Mike

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