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Message no. 1
From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
Subject: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:53:09 -0800
>I think the problem is not that hand grenades are over-powered, but they
>are not supposed to be easy to find for 'normal' people. Of course, I
>don't ever walk into military surplus stores, so I'm not entirely sure how
>true this is.

Hehe, I don't think you can just walk into a military surplus store and
get a bunch of grenades. Unless it's some militia group doing
a garage sale.

>How easy is it to get hand grenades on the streets of a major city, in real
>life? ( I would try myself, but I'm not exactly near any major cities :)

Me: "Hey "Frank," you were a SEAL, right? Do you know anyone that can
get me some grenades? I need them for <some really great sounding idea
or something that's legit>."
Frank: "Yeah, I told you about him, he can get me basically anything,
even Stingers... Hell, that's where I get my rifle rounds for the
pistol (or something like that<g>)."
Me: "Cool. Grenades." ;)

I'm uh, using that guy as a Friend of a Friend. Small world. ;)
Now, of course, you can't just walk up to a gang member and
ask him for some hot grenades... He'd probably shoot you. <g>
Grenades are kind of weird anyway, why use them unless
you need to blow away a group of people? Plastic explosives
would be easier to blow up doors and whatnot, at the price
of expense...

-Skye

PS This is all probably false and I'm just talking too much. ;)
Message no. 2
From: Chuck Stevens <harmonix@**.NET>
Subject: Re: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:31:49 -0700
----------
> From: Skye Comstock <bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM>
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
> Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 12:53 PM
>

[SNIP]

>
> I'm uh, using that guy as a Friend of a Friend. Small world. ;)
> Now, of course, you can't just walk up to a gang member and
> ask him for some hot grenades... He'd probably shoot you. <g>
> Grenades are kind of weird anyway, why use them unless
> you need to blow away a group of people? Plastic explosives
> would be easier to blow up doors and whatnot, at the price
> of expense...
>
> -Skye
>
> PS This is all probably false and I'm just talking too much. ;)

But it's so much fun to shoot people with white phosphorous mini-grenades!
>;)


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Chuck Stevens
harmonix@**.net

"If your god is so omnipotent,
why does he need my money?"
- Salmoneus
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Message no. 3
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:59:00 GMT
on 04.08.97 bilbo@****.NWLINK.COM wrote:

b> Hehe, I don't think you can just walk into a military surplus store and
b> get a bunch of grenades. Unless it's some militia group doing
b> a garage sale.

No, but try the illegal way. Take a look at my message to Fro (some msgs
earlier). If *I* could get this stuff, what can somebody get, who *really*
wants it and has some contacts....

b> Me: "Hey "Frank," you were a SEAL, right? Do you know anyone that can
b> get me some grenades? I need them for <some really great sounding idea
b> or something that's legit>."
b> Frank: "Yeah, I told you about him, he can get me basically anything,
b> even Stingers... Hell, that's where I get my rifle rounds for the
b> pistol (or something like that<g>)."
b> Me: "Cool. Grenades." ;)

If you want to do big weapon-deals, get some contact in the russian army.
I don't know if it's true, but somepeople say, they even sell whole jets!
(Mig-29s, anyone?) Hey, that would be a nice SR-campaign: Suggeling huge
amounts of weapons.
O.K. I telling you these from the view of a European (it takes some days
to get contact to somebody from the russian army here), so I don't know
how it is in America or Asia, but I guess in SR, it's even easier.

Tobias

b>
b> I'm uh, using that guy as a Friend of a Friend. Small world. ;)
b> Now, of course, you can't just walk up to a gang member and
b> ask him for some hot grenades... He'd probably shoot you. <g>
b> Grenades are kind of weird anyway, why use them unless
b> you need to blow away a group of people? Plastic explosives
b> would be easier to blow up doors and whatnot, at the price
b> of expense...
b>
b> -Skye
b>
b> PS This is all probably false and I'm just talking too much. ;)

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Message no. 4
From: Gregory Deych <gdeych@********.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:26:45 -0700
I can verify that from my own experience. In the early 90's, I was
asked to do
a little bit of checking around for the comparative pricing of warplanes
on the
open market. Apparently, a FOF of my company's boss (who does a lot of
business
with the FUSSR), has been approached with an offer to resell a small
shipment of Mig-29s.
Nothing ever came out of it, but somebody was very willing to sell
frontline
aircraft to anybody who was willing to come up with the cash.
Tobias Berghoff wrote:

> If you want to do big weapon-deals, get some contact in the russian army.
> I don't know if it's true, but somepeople say, they even sell whole jets!
> (Mig-29s, anyone?) Hey, that would be a nice SR-campaign: Suggeling huge
> amounts of weapons.
> O.K. I telling you these from the view of a European (it takes some days
> to get contact to somebody from the russian army here), so I don't know
> how it is in America or Asia, but I guess in SR, it's even easier.
>
Message no. 5
From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:17:54 +0000
Hmmm...

On 6 Aug 97 Tobias Berghoff tried to disseminate foul capitalist
lies by writing:


> If you want to do big weapon-deals, get some contact in the russian army.
> I don't know if it's true, but somepeople say, they even sell whole jets!
> (Mig-29s, anyone?) Hey, that would be a nice SR-campaign: Suggeling huge
> amounts of weapons.
> O.K. I telling you these from the view of a European (it takes some days
> to get contact to somebody from the russian army here), so I don't know
> how it is in America or Asia, but I guess in SR, it's even easier.

Well, I could buy an AK-47 with no problems (ok, if the police would
find out, I would have some problems), and pretty cheap, too. And
I've heard (I'm not 100% sure if it's true), that a polish farmer on
the East side of the Poland (that is, near ex-USSR) bought himself
the chassis of a light tank (that is, a tank without a turret and
machineguns) to use for field works (pretty effective, btw).


Mike (Leszek Karlik) - trrkt@******.com; http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike
FL/GN Leszek/Raptor II/ISD Vanguard, (SS) (PC) (ISM) {IWATS-IIC} JH(Sith)/House Scholae
Palatinae
Kill all known germs - pour Domestos on a Hell's Angel.
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:27:23 +0100
Mike (Leszek Karlik) said on 18:17/15 Aug 97...

> I've heard (I'm not 100% sure if it's true), that a polish farmer on
> the East side of the Poland (that is, near ex-USSR) bought himself
> the chassis of a light tank (that is, a tank without a turret and
> machineguns) to use for field works (pretty effective, btw).

Not effective, AFAIK it's pretty bad for the soil... And at any rate I
don't see why owning a tank with its armament removed and/or deactivated
would be illegal. Driving it on the road might very well be, but I don't
think parking it in your garden will get you into trouble.

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Message no. 7
From: "Paul J. Adam" <shadowrn@********.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:46:43 +0100
In message <199708151802.UAA08680@****.polbox.pl>, "Mike (Leszek
Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM> writes
>Well, I could buy an AK-47 with no problems (ok, if the police would
>find out, I would have some problems), and pretty cheap, too. And
>I've heard (I'm not 100% sure if it's true), that a polish farmer on
>the East side of the Poland (that is, near ex-USSR) bought himself
>the chassis of a light tank (that is, a tank without a turret and
>machineguns) to use for field works (pretty effective, btw).

There are, allegedly, a lot of turretless T-55s and T-62s pulling
ploughs these days.
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There are four kinds of homicide: felonious, excusable, justifiable and
praiseworthy...

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Message no. 8
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:57:57 +1000
> There are, allegedly, a lot of turretless T-55s and T-62s pulling
> ploughs these days.

Makes a fiar bit of sense; Tanks are designed to be all-terrain vehicles,
which includes muddy farmland. They spread their ground pressure over a
wide area and thus do not get bogged.

Marty
Message no. 9
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: Grenades (was Re: My New Campaign)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:01:00 GMT
on 15.08.97 trrkt@******.COM wrote:

t> On 6 Aug 97 Tobias Berghoff tried to disseminate foul capitalist
t> lies by writing:

Did I?

t> Well, I could buy an AK-47 with no problems (ok, if the police would
t> find out, I would have some problems), and pretty cheap, too. And
t> I've heard (I'm not 100% sure if it's true), that a polish farmer on
t> the East side of the Poland (that is, near ex-USSR) bought himself
t> the chassis of a light tank (that is, a tank without a turret and
t> machineguns) to use for field works (pretty effective, btw).

Just what I mean. It's terrible easy to buy assault weapons today, so it
must be even easier in 205x. I guess on my next run, I'll encounter a
group of kids with assault rifles....

Tobias
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