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Message no. 1
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:02:07 +0100
GridSec has received a request to the list by one of the listmembers, and
as he didn't know if it were appropriate for him to post it to the list,
I'm including it here in this message.

-----
A number of users (names have been omitted because I can't remember) have
been posting replies to other people's comments without indicating one way
or another who the original sender is. Also, on a related note, when some
users post replies, their software indicates the original text was written
by "you" but don't indicate who that "you" is (for example, "on
xx/yy/zz
at aa:bb:cc PM, you wrote,").

Would you please remind everyone to indicate who the original sender was
when replying to messages? It's been very confusing to follow threads,
especially since I've been on nomail over the long weekend.
-----

Thus, this message is a request by GridSec, for everyone to identify the
original poster of messages that are replied to. Most modern mailers can
do this automatically, but you have to switch it on somewhere. Looking in
the mailer's help or browsing through its options/settings should locate
it. If not, take a close look at the options your mailer presents you with
when you choose to reply to a message. (If you can't find it at all, don't
ask me, because I don't know either unless you're using Pegasus Mail for
Windows :)

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Message no. 2
From: Graht graht@******.net
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:36:12 -0800
Gurth wrote:

>Thus, this message is a request by GridSec, for everyone to identify the
>original poster of messages that are replied to. Most modern mailers can
>do this automatically, but you have to switch it on somewhere. Looking in
>the mailer's help or browsing through its options/settings should locate
>it. If not, take a close look at the options your mailer presents you with
>when you choose to reply to a message. (If you can't find it at all, don't
>ask me, because I don't know either unless you're using Pegasus Mail for
>Windows :)
>
>--
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And if your mailer won't add a "<name> wrote:" type header, please include

a bit of the original sender's signature (as I did above).

Thank you.


-Graht
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Message no. 3
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:06:16 -0500
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At 12:36 PM 11/30/99 -0800, Graht wrote:
:And if your mailer won't add a "<name> wrote:" type header, please
:include a bit of the original sender's signature (as I did above).

So a member of GridSec is giving us permission to blatantly disregard
item #1d. from the posting guidelines listed in the ShadowRN MiniFAQ
that ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader Adam J. posts once in a blue
moon? :)

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Message no. 4
From: Graht graht@******.net
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:30:04 -0800
Paul Gettle wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>At 12:36 PM 11/30/99 -0800, Graht wrote:
>:And if your mailer won't add a "<name> wrote:" type header, please
>:include a bit of the original sender's signature (as I did above).
>
>So a member of GridSec is giving us permission to blatantly disregard
>item #1d. from the posting guidelines listed in the ShadowRN MiniFAQ
>that ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader Adam J. posts once in a blue
>moon? :)

Please note, I said *if* ;p

Many of the free web mail accounts do not have the option of adding a
"<name> wrote:" header, so we need an option. This has been an accepted
option for at least the last few years on ShadowRN.


Have fun,
Play nice,
-Graht, your friendly neighborhood GridSec Assistant :)
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Message no. 5
From: Sommers sommers@*****.edu
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 15:53:25 -0500
At 08:02 PM 11/30/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Thus, this message is a request by GridSec, for everyone to identify the
>original poster of messages that are replied to. Most modern mailers can
>do this automatically, but you have to switch it on somewhere. Looking in
>the mailer's help or browsing through its options/settings should locate
>it. If not, take a close look at the options your mailer presents you with
>when you choose to reply to a message. (If you can't find it at all, don't
>ask me, because I don't know either unless you're using Pegasus Mail for
>Windows :)

See that's funny. The above was taken from the message that came from
Gurth. When I hit reply in Eudora 4.2 for Win95, it puts in the above text.
Half of the time it will just insert the generic "you wrote" and the date.
But when I respond to some people's postings on the list, it does say which
person sent it. Usually I don't even look because its automatic, but its
not consistent. I'm not sure if its my mailer being bad, or that it can
only do it depending on what header info is coming in.

Anyone else have this problem?

Sommers
Insert witty quote here.
Message no. 6
From: Spike spike1@*******.co.uk
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:00:46 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, didst Gurth babble thusly:
> Thus, this message is a request by GridSec, for everyone to identify the
> original poster of messages that are replied to. Most modern mailers can
> do this automatically, but you have to switch it on somewhere. Looking in
> the mailer's help or browsing through its options/settings should locate
> it. If not, take a close look at the options your mailer presents you with
> when you choose to reply to a message. (If you can't find it at all, don't
> ask me, because I don't know either unless you're using Pegasus Mail for
> Windows :)

If anyone's using elm, I can help with that one.
:)

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Message no. 7
From: John john@*******.com
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:10:18 -0500
Gurth wrote:

> GridSec has received a request to the list by one of the listmembers, and
> as he didn't know if it were appropriate for him to post it to the list,
> I'm including it here in this message.
>

I am guessing that I am one of the main offenders of this. I appologise. I
have seen the light. It won't happen again.
Message no. 8
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:14:24 -0500
> Gurth wrote:
> > GridSec has received a request to the list by one of the listmembers,
and
> > as he didn't know if it were appropriate for him to post it to the list,
> > I'm including it here in this message.
>
> From: "John" <john@*******.com>
> I am guessing that I am one of the main offenders of this. I appologise.
I
> have seen the light. It won't happen again.

Well, me too, but I've got a little problem; I didn't get the original
message from Gurth. Can you repost it, Gurth?

BTW, it wasn't in the archives last time I checked, either. Stupid list. :)
Message no. 9
From: Strago strago@***.com
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:33:28 -0500
abortion_engine wrote:

> > Gurth wrote:
> > > GridSec has received a request to the list by one of the listmembers,
> and
> > > as he didn't know if it were appropriate for him to post it to the list,
> > > I'm including it here in this message.
> >
> > From: "John" <john@*******.com>
> > I am guessing that I am one of the main offenders of this. I appologise.
> I
> > have seen the light. It won't happen again.
>
> Well, me too, but I've got a little problem; I didn't get the original
> message from Gurth. Can you repost it, Gurth?
>
> BTW, it wasn't in the archives last time I checked, either. Stupid list. :)

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, a_e, you aren't an offender I don't think.
The basic complaint was for people to put who sent the message they were
replying to on the top of the message. But you're doing that so you're OK. Oh,
and have a cookie. :^)
Message no. 10
From: Dvixen dvixen@****.com
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 13:42:56 -0800
At 03:53 PM 30/11/99 , Sommers annoyed me by writing:

>See that's funny. The above was taken from the message that came from
>Gurth. When I hit reply in Eudora 4.2 for Win95, it puts in the above
>text. Half of the time it will just insert the generic "you wrote" and the
>date. But when I respond to some people's postings on the list, it does
>say which person sent it. Usually I don't even look because its automatic,
>but its not consistent. I'm not sure if its my mailer being bad, or that
>it can only do it depending on what header info is coming in.
>
>Anyone else have this problem?

Yeah, it's a bit of a pain in Eudora.

Here's the solution:
Open Eudora.ini

Find a line that starts like this:
ReplyAttribution=At %1, you wrote;

And replace it with
ReplyAttribution=At %1, %2 annoyed me by writing:
(Or your own text)
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Message no. 11
From: Graht graht@******.net
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:29:44 -0800
Sommers wrote:
>At 08:02 PM 11/30/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>Thus, this message is a request by GridSec, for everyone to identify the
>>original poster of messages that are replied to.
>
>See that's funny. The above was taken from the message that came from
>Gurth. When I hit reply in Eudora 4.2 for Win95, it puts in the above
>text. Half of the time it will just insert the generic "you wrote" and the
>date. But when I respond to some people's postings on the list, it does
>say which person sent it. Usually I don't even look because its automatic,
>but its not consistent. I'm not sure if its my mailer being bad, or that
>it can only do it depending on what header info is coming in.
>
>Anyone else have this problem?

I had the same problem until I changed (or was it added) the following to
the Eudora.ini (configuration) file.

ReplyAttribution=%2 wrote:

In place of the "%2 wrote:" you could put "%2 mumbled:" or "%2
said while
picking his nose:" etc.

-Graht
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Message no. 12
From: Adam J adamj@*********.html.com
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 23:28:32 -0700
At 15:53 11/30/99 -0500, Sommers wrote:

>See that's funny. The above was taken from the message that came from
>Gurth. When I hit reply in Eudora 4.2 for Win95, it puts in the above text.
>Half of the time it will just insert the generic "you wrote" and the date.
>But when I respond to some people's postings on the list, it does say which
>person sent it. Usually I don't even look because its automatic, but its
>not consistent. I'm not sure if its my mailer being bad, or that it can
>only do it depending on what header info is coming in.
>
>Anyone else have this problem?

No. <g>

Open up Eudora.ini

In the [Settings] section, add the line:

ReplyAttribution=At %1, %2 wrote:

And all is good. :-)

Adam
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Message no. 13
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:06:48 +0100
According to Sommers, at 15:53 on 30 Nov 99, the word on the street was...

> See that's funny. The above was taken from the message that came from
> Gurth. When I hit reply in Eudora 4.2 for Win95, it puts in the above text.

This, I believe, is caused by some of Eudora's settings which you can only
change by opening the ini file in a text editor. From what I recall, it's
caused by Eudora making a difference between replying to an individual and
to a group -- when it think you're sending it to one person, it uses "you"
(it assumes the recipient knows who he or she is :) while otherwise it
inserts the original poster's name.

I don't know more than that, since the only version of Eudora I ever used
didn't even have that option AFAIK. I'm sure somebody else will point out
exactly what you have to change to make it always include the poster.

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Message no. 14
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:06:48 +0100
According to Graht, at 17:29 on 30 Nov 99, the word on the street was...

> I had the same problem until I changed (or was it added) the following to
> the Eudora.ini (configuration) file.
>
> ReplyAttribution=%2 wrote:
>
> In place of the "%2 wrote:" you could put "%2 mumbled:" or
"%2 said while
> picking his nose:" etc.

FWIW, in Pegasus, you just set it to use advanced options for replies in
the Options, and then switch on the custom header line check box when you
reply to a message...

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Message no. 15
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:06:48 +0100
According to abortion_engine, at 16:14 on 30 Nov 99, the word on the
street was...

> Well, me too, but I've got a little problem; I didn't get the original
> message from Gurth.

That's something that keeps annoying me about the current list server
software...

> Can you repost it, Gurth?

Sure. Here it is:

GridSec has received a request to the list by one of the listmembers, and
as he didn't know if it were appropriate for him to post it to the list,
I'm including it here in this message.

-----
A number of users (names have been omitted because I can't remember) have
been posting replies to other people's comments without indicating one way
or another who the original sender is. Also, on a related note, when some
users post replies, their software indicates the original text was written
by "you" but don't indicate who that "you" is (for example, "on
xx/yy/zz
at aa:bb:cc PM, you wrote,").

Would you please remind everyone to indicate who the original sender was
when replying to messages? It's been very confusing to follow threads,
especially since I've been on nomail over the long weekend.
-----

Thus, this message is a request by GridSec, for everyone to identify the
original poster of messages that are replied to. Most modern mailers can
do this automatically, but you have to switch it on somewhere. Looking in
the mailer's help or browsing through its options/settings should locate
it. If not, take a close look at the options your mailer presents you with
when you choose to reply to a message. (If you can't find it at all, don't
ask me, because I don't know either unless you're using Pegasus Mail for
Windows :)

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Other GridSec members: Dvixen <dvixen@****.com>
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Message no. 16
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:09:43 EST
In a message dated 11/30/1999 3:07:24 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RunnerPaul@*****.com writes:

> At 12:36 PM 11/30/99 -0800, Graht wrote:
> :And if your mailer won't add a "<name> wrote:" type header, please
> :include a bit of the original sender's signature (as I did above).
>
> So a member of GridSec is giving us permission to blatantly disregard
> item #1d. from the posting guidelines listed in the ShadowRN MiniFAQ
> that ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader Adam J. posts once in a blue
> moon? :)

Thank you Paul, I was going to be nice and not point this part out.

-K
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[Hoosier Hacker House]
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ICQ#-51511837
Message no. 17
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: [GridSec] Original poster identification in replies
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:12:10 EST
In a message dated 11/30/1999 3:54:25 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
sommers@*****.edu writes:

> See that's funny. The above was taken from the message that came from
> Gurth. When I hit reply in Eudora 4.2 for Win95, it puts in the above
text.
> Half of the time it will just insert the generic "you wrote" and the date.

> But when I respond to some people's postings on the list, it does say
which
> person sent it. Usually I don't even look because its automatic, but its
> not consistent. I'm not sure if its my mailer being bad, or that it can
> only do it depending on what header info is coming in.
>
> Anyone else have this problem?

Mike B. (my roomie) just got @****.com, so he's getting accustomed to Outlook
Express and has noticed problems like this all over the place. I've noticed
that *I* could do more editing in my emails than just about any other style
of mailer that I've heard from/about since.

-K
"Bastard GM" (as dubbed by Doc' ;-)
[Hoosier Hacker House]
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/index.html]
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