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Message no. 1
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:13:44 -0700
At 07:15 PM 8/5/98 , you wrote:
>> > > I just read this in the local newspaper. Irrevalent portions
snipped at will.
>> > What newspaper?
>> The Free Press. published in Mankato, MN.
>
>Know if they're on-line?

*sigh*

Bai Shen, Wolfchild, this part of your conversation should have gone
private, thus saving the list your three messages, as well as me gripising
at you. (And yes, I realise that this might also be of interest to other
people on the list, but as asking what newspaper it comes from is OT, it
goes off list, and so can anyone else interested.)

-Dvixen - dvixen@********.com
First Priest of the Church of the Squooshy Ball - boB!
- Target : Smuggler's Haven - same page as the day of my birthday! Go fig!
ShadowRN GridSec/FAQ Flunky - http://coastnet.com/~dvixen/srnintro.html
Message no. 2
From: Bai Shen <baishen@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:18:11 -0400
> Bai Shen, Wolfchild, this part of your conversation should have gone
> private, thus saving the list your three messages, as well as me gripising
> at you. (And yes, I realise that this might also be of interest to other
> people on the list, but as asking what newspaper it comes from is OT, it
> goes off list, and so can anyone else interested.)

This is why I don't like ML's that reply to the list when you hit
reply. It makes it that much more of a pain in the rear whenever I try
to reply to someone personally. On all of the other lists I'm on, if I
want to reply to the person, I simply hit, reply. If I want to send the
reply to the list as well, I jus' do a reply all. It's a lot simpler
and works better IMO.
--
Bai Shen
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit
http://www.series2000.com/users/baishen
UIN 3543257 (Don't ask to join if you aren't going to send me anything.)
Message no. 3
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:48:33 -0500
>
> > Bai Shen, Wolfchild, this part of your conversation should have gone
> > private, thus saving the list your three messages, as well as me gripising
> > at you. (And yes, I realise that this might also be of interest to other
> > people on the list, but as asking what newspaper it comes from is OT, it
> > goes off list, and so can anyone else interested.)
>
> This is why I don't like ML's that reply to the list when you hit
> reply. It makes it that much more of a pain in the rear whenever I try
> to reply to someone personally. On all of the other lists I'm on, if I
> want to reply to the person, I simply hit, reply. If I want to send the
> reply to the list as well, I jus' do a reply all. It's a lot simpler
> and works better IMO.

then the poster gets two copies
which is annoying as hell
Message no. 4
From: David Goth <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:31:01 -0500
> then the poster gets two copies
> which is annoying as hell

Actually, this is a lot easier to deal with than trying to hunt down the
address (usually). All the responder needs to do is delete the sender's
address when you're posting to the list.

(Of course, much of this could be avoided if people put their address in the
body of the message).

-Dave-
xaos@*****.net
Message no. 5
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:43:39 +1000
David Goth writes:
> > then the poster gets two copies
> > which is annoying as hell
>
> Actually, this is a lot easier to deal with than trying to hunt down the
> address (usually). All the responder needs to do is delete the sender's
> address when you're posting to the list.

That's only 'cause you're using that silly Microsoft Outlook 98 mailer,
David... :)

Any sensible mailer will display the original sender, instead of the final
sender.

So, instead of a little bit of work, some of the time, you want a bit less
work nearly all of the time? Not a good idea, IMHO...

And, for those of you who are stuck using Outlook, a step-by-step guide to
mailing the original sender:
Open the message (don't just read it in the Preview Pane!)
Make sure you have Message Header turned on (it's in the View menu).

The From: line of the message header will read something like this:
From: Shadowrun Discussion [SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET] on behalf of
David Goth [xaos@*****.NET]

Double-click on the name of the original sender. This will display the
contact details, and let you save it as a contact (if you don't just want to
remember who it was who sent it).

Easy, uh?

(MS should have put the original sender in the quoted reply-block, if you
ask me...)

--
.sig deleted to conserve electrons. robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 6
From: David Goth <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:22:02 -0500
> Double-click on the name of the original sender. This will display the
> contact details, and let you save it as a contact (if you don't
> just want to
> remember who it was who sent it).
>
> Easy, uh?

Ah! I knew I loved Outlook 98 for a reason! ;) (Actually Outlook Express
was fine for me but, latest and greatest, ya know?)


> (MS should have put the original sender in the quoted reply-block, if you
> ask me...)

Agreed. More fields, etc., to choose from would be nicer. Kinda odd that
it's not full featured when you think about it. Before you mention it, yes,
I am a fence sitter with MS. I can live with most of the hassles, because
the benefits generally outweigh them. I'm not an MS lover, nor an MS hater
(but rather a realist). Pretty healthy point of view if you ask me (and I'll
pretend that you did).

ANYway, thank you for the tip. Now I got no overall problems with the list.

-Dave-
xaos@*****.net
Message no. 7
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:30:42 +1000
One of these days, someone's going to accuse me of spying on them for
knowing which mailer they use (in public, that is... it's already happened
by private e-mail)

--
Duct tape is like the Force: There's a Light side, a Dark side, and it
binds the Universe together.
Robert Watkins -- robert.watkins@******.com
Message no. 8
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:51:43 +0000
and thus did Robert Watkins speak on 10 Aug 98 at 17:30:

> One of these days, someone's going to accuse me of spying on them for
> knowing which mailer they use (in public, that is... it's already happened
> by private e-mail)

What? That you're using...hmmm... I'm getting a picture now... I can
see your computer.... the screen... it's getting sharper... got it!

X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26

Fhew, high drain on that spell, but worth every karma point :)

Karina & Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 9
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:29:17 +0100
And verily, did Bai Shen hastily scribble thusly...
|
|> Bai Shen, Wolfchild, this part of your conversation should have gone
|> private, thus saving the list your three messages, as well as me gripising
|> at you. (And yes, I realise that this might also be of interest to other
|> people on the list, but as asking what newspaper it comes from is OT, it
|> goes off list, and so can anyone else interested.)
|
|This is why I don't like ML's that reply to the list when you hit
|reply.

Errrr. How else would one reply to the list?
It's a HELL of a lot easier and more convenient hitting reply to reply to
the list, than it is editing the address each time you want to.

After all, most of the replies are MEANT to go to the list anyway, so
personal replies get bottom priority as far as I'm concerned.
0
It makes it that much more of a pain in the rear whenever I try
|to reply to someone personally.

And it wouldn't be even MORE of a pain trying to reply to the list, which
should be more common anyway?


On all of the other lists I'm on, if I
|want to reply to the person, I simply hit, reply. If I want to send the
|reply to the list as well, I jus' do a reply all. It's a lot simpler
|and works better IMO.

And a bigger waste of bandwidth.
I don't like receiving duplicate messages, and the way your system would
work, the size of my mailbox would double overnight (slight exageration).

(Something a lot of people wouldn't want! Think about it. Some people PAY
for their phone bills!
--
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| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
Message no. 10
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:46:40 +0100
And verily, did Robert Watkins hastily scribble thusly...
|
|One of these days, someone's going to accuse me of spying on them for
|knowing which mailer they use (in public, that is... it's already happened
|by private e-mail)

Why?
It's there for all to see in the headers in a lot of cases...
--
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|u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk| Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a |
| | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit |
| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|GCv3.1 GCS/EL>$ d---(dpu) s+/- a- C++ U N++ o+ K- w-- M+/++ PS+++ PE- Y t+ |
|5++ X+/++ R+ tv+ b+ D G e>PhD h/h+ !r! !y-|I can't say F**K either now! :( |
Message no. 11
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:13:33 -0500
At 05:30 PM 8/10/98 +1000, Robert Watkins wrote:
# One of these days, someone's going to accuse me of spying on them for
# knowing which mailer they use (in public, that is... it's already happened
# by private e-mail)

why?

you use
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26

--
/- justin@************.com ---------------- justin@******.net -\
|Justin Bell NIC:JB3084| Time and rules are changing. |
|Simon & Schuster | Attention span is quickening. |
|Programmer | Welcome to the Information Age. |
\------------ http://www.mcp.com/people/justin/ ---------------/
Message no. 12
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:07:47 -0500
At 11:31 PM 8/9/98 -0500, David Goth wrote:
# > then the poster gets two copies
# > which is annoying as hell
#
# Actually, this is a lot easier to deal with than trying to hunt down the
# address (usually). All the responder needs to do is delete the sender's
# address when you're posting to the list.

not everyone does that though

it really annoys the hell out of me when I login and see I have 200 new
messages, and 100 of them are duplicates!
--
/- justin@************.com ---------------- justin@******.net -\
|Justin Bell NIC:JB3084| Time and rules are changing. |
|Simon & Schuster | Attention span is quickening. |
|Programmer | Welcome to the Information Age. |
\------------ http://www.mcp.com/people/justin/ ---------------/
Message no. 13
From: Greg Symons <gsymons@******.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:26:40 -0400
>And verily, did Robert Watkins hastily scribble thusly...
>|
>|One of these days, someone's going to accuse me of spying on them
for
>|knowing which mailer they use (in public, that is... it's already
happened
>|by private e-mail)
>
>Why?
>It's there for all to see in the headers in a lot of cases...

Not everyone knows that, though, since most mailers nowadays hide the
majority of the headers by default. I've surprised a couple of friends
by telling them how to fix things they were complaining about who
hadn't even asked for help, assuming it couldn't be fixed:)

Gotta love the computer-ignorant (those who treat it like a magic
box:)

Greg


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Message no. 14
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [GridSec] Re: In and out ...
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:01:21 +1000
Greg Symons writes:
> Not everyone knows that, though, since most mailers nowadays hide the
> majority of the headers by default. I've surprised a couple of friends
> by telling them how to fix things they were complaining about who
> hadn't even asked for help, assuming it couldn't be fixed:)

Thanks for explaing that, Greg... now I don't have to. ;)

--
Duct tape is like the Force: There's a Light side, a Dark side, and it
binds the Universe together.
Robert Watkins -- robert.watkins@******.com

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